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    EV Practicalities?

    Oh dear!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQQCEQ3gOQM

    I'm glad that I decided to wait!

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    Gave up watching him struggling to defrost the screen - use a credit card FFS. Might previously have had a heated one but what about the side windows?

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    Defrosted my Tesla this morning in 6 minutes. All via the App when I was indoors so it was ready and toasty by the time I got to the car

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    My van is always nicely defrosted and warmed up by the time I get to it!

    Strange that he canít unplug the van whilst the vehicle is locked, itís almost as if they lock it in position so it canít be tampered with! Odd that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Defrosted my Tesla this morning in 6 minutes. All via the App when I was indoors so it was ready and toasty by the time I got to the car
    Me too. We Pre scheduled for our leaving time daily. One of the best features IMO.

    Took the ICE car out the other morning and the screen was iced up and felt such a chore to scrape it down. All those years and it was the norm but now the norm is changing!

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    Read the handbook!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tixntox View Post
    Read the handbook!!!
    His previous work vehicle was a Tesla Model 3. He will be very, very aware of what the various 'handbooks' say about his various work vehicles.

    He is a very savvy EV user. A significant proportion of his income also comes from installing home chargers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss13 View Post
    Me too. We Pre scheduled for our leaving time daily. One of the best features IMO.

    Took the ICE car out the other morning and the screen was iced up and felt such a chore to scrape it down. All those years and it was the norm but now the norm is changing!
    Also available on some ICE cars. Love this, and the heated screen front and rear come on as well.

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    Itís a YouTube video designed to entertain and get clicks, not necessarily meant to be taken too seriously.
    That said, the range of the electric T6 is shocking, but he knew that.

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    Taken me an hour to get off my driveÖ..yes because youíre clearly an idiot.

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    The guyís an idiot, stopped watching partway through, his whining voice was annoying me.

    If heíd taken the trouble to fully charge the thing, got himself a trusty ice- scraper, and read the instructions properly all wouldíve gone smoothly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958 View Post
    The guyís an idiot, stopped watching partway through, his whining voice was annoying me.

    If heíd taken the trouble to fully charge the thing, got himself a trusty ice- scraper, and read the instructions properly all wouldíve gone smoothly.
    Do people still use those ice scraper things?
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    Well I do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Well I do!

    so do I - but Iím old:)

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    I've got a lovely snow brush/ice scraper a former colleague brought me over from Sweden when my one I bought in Germany in the 90s started to get too chipped to scrape effectively.

    Works well, but I wonder why only Fords have heated windscreens, presumably they took out a patent, but it's such a good idea on a frosty morning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    I've got a lovely snow brush/ice scraper a former colleague brought me over from Sweden when my one I bought in Germany in the 90s started to get too chipped to scrape effectively.

    Works well, but I wonder why only Fords have heated windscreens, presumably they took out a patent, but it's such a good idea on a frosty morning!

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    A few other brands have them - I had a Volvo with one and my work colleague has a heated screen on her Kia Stinger.
    They are great, but for a period of about 3 years when we had the Volvo and a Fiesta both with heated screens, we had to call out chip repair companies a number of times - it may be a coincidence but they seemed to pick up stonechips much more easily than a standard screen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    A few other brands have them - I had a Volvo with one and my work colleague has a heated screen on her Kia Stinger.
    They are great, but for a period of about 3 years when we had the Volvo and a Fiesta both with heated screens, we had to call out chip repair companies a number of times - it may be a coincidence but they seemed to pick up stonechips much more easily than a standard screen.


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    Ford had a stake in Volvo and Kia at one time, maybe licences to use the screens remain in place.

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    The Ford patent ran out some time ago, a VW I owned a few years ago had a heated screen (an e-Golf). I think a few people didnít like the tiny wires/elements visible in some light conditions, but I think mostly heated screens have been sacrificed on the altar of cost cutting.

    Iím guessing this is the video of the hapless electrician struggling with his electric van on a cold morning? That ABT T6 EV van was designed as a last mile delivery vehicle in big cities, but as electric vans go itís still one of the worst. Slow AC charging, a hobbled DSG box, basically the battery pack from an e-Golf and way too expensive for what it is. I think he picked it up via a cheap lease, they were available for not much cash recently.

    A good clickbait video for him, must have earnt a few quid as a result, but fortunately that isnít typical of Electric vans, never mind Electric cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Defrosted my Tesla this morning in 6 minutes.
    Think of all those minutes you'd save with a garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa View Post
    Think of all those minutes you'd save with a garage.
    Where he lives a garage is more expensive than the Tesla. Plus, he wouldn't save any time since the car defrosts as he takes his breakfast, ready when he is.
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    Even our old 65 plate i3 has the warm up feature from the app!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa View Post
    Think of all those minutes you'd save with a garage.
    Think of the precious energy saved with a scraper and a couple of minutes in the cold? Thatís what bothers me about electric cars. If they were really designed with energy saving in mind, surely theyíd have manual windows, and have as much weight as practically possible stripped out to increase range?
    Instead you get every gadget known to man, electric powered everything, electric heated everything. Go back a few years and car heaters were optional, now itís heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheels, tv screens where there used to be dials etc etc. not very hair shirt or eco warrior, your wealthy early adopter will only spend the cash if his or her eco wagon is fitted out with gadgets like a branch of Dixons!
    Ok Iím being deliberately a bit daft, Iím sure a warm steering wheel doesnít use all that much energy, but currently the cars available seem to compose of mostly luxury cars that happen to be electric, the gadgetry will quickly become obsolete, and I suspect the dealers - unable to fleece us with expensive servicing any more - will charge through the nose for software updates, and keeping all the toys working. Your proper eco cars wonít appear yet because the public expect all the gadgets if they are spending big money - which is surely missing the point isnít it?


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    I think we have to accept that the modern comforts and gadgets in cars are here to stay.

    My 11 year old Jag has a heated steering wheel and heated seats, not something I wouldíve chosen but once you have them you do appreciate the convenience. If the car is iced up in a morning I start the engine, switch the heated rear window on, switch the heated seats and heated steering wheel in, and switch the climate control onto full heat. I then return indoors and finish my tea whilst the car thaws out and warms up. This wastes fuel, but I donít care, I place a premium on comfort and convenience. Back in the 70s I ran cars with poor heaters, Iíve spent many mornings scraping ice of windscreens, thesedays I prefer the alternative!

    Iíve no intention of buying an electric vehicle anytime soon, but I see the appeal of switching it on and defrosting it without going outside!

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    The heated windscreen is up there amongst the best things Iíve ever had on a car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958 View Post
    I think we have to accept that the modern comforts and gadgets in cars are here to stay.

    My 11 year old Jag has a heated steering wheel and heated seats, not something I wouldíve chosen but once you have them you do appreciate the convenience. If the car is iced up in a morning I start the engine, switch the heated rear window on, switch the heated seats and heated steering wheel in, and switch the climate control onto full heat. I then return indoors and finish my tea whilst the car thaws out and warms up. This wastes fuel, but I donít care, I place a premium on comfort and convenience. Back in the 70s I ran cars with poor heaters, Iíve spent many mornings scraping ice of windscreens, thesedays I prefer the alternative!

    Iíve no intention of buying an electric vehicle anytime soon, but I see the appeal of switching it on and defrosting it without going outside!
    There are plenty of ICE cars that have that feature. Mine has remote starting and climate with a heated front screen. Unbelievable compared to the cars I had in the 70s when even starting on frosty mornings was a gamble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanm_3 View Post
    The heated windscreen is up there amongst the best things Iíve ever had on a car!
    I loved my old focus with a heated screen, but now I just put a magnetic £2 plastic screen cover over it, saves all that scraping.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    There are plenty of ICE cars that have that feature. Mine has remote starting and climate with a heated front screen. Unbelievable compared to the cars I had in the 70s when even starting on frosty mornings was a gamble.
    Presumably needs the engine running so only suitable for those with a drive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Presumably needs the engine running so only suitable for those with a drive?
    No it keeps the car locked so canít be nicked. My last three ICE cars have had this app feature. Didnít use it as felt a bit profligate with fuel, which is a bit rich given the cars. Interesting that I donít feel the same with electric, maybe I should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt8500 View Post
    No it keeps the car locked so canít be nicked. My last three ICE cars have had this app feature. Didnít use it as felt a bit profligate with fuel, which is a bit rich given the cars. Interesting that I donít feel the same with electric, maybe I should.
    Illegal though.

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    I turned up at Birchanger Services last night to use the Tesla Supercharger, all 4 were used with 6 in the queue.

    That's really dented the confidence in being able to use this on longer family journeys. I can't hang around for over an hour before charging with a car full of kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    I turned up at Birchanger Services last night to use the Tesla Supercharger, all 4 were used with 6 in the queue.

    That's really dented the confidence in being able to use this on longer family journeys. I can't hang around for over an hour before charging with a car full of kids.
    TBH very rare that superchargers are so busy and places with only 4 superchargers are the exception not the norm. Over time you'll learn which ones are better for availability etc and route via them. I'm surprised the navigation took you to a full supercharger as usually it will prioritise ones with free spaces.

    There is one at Winchester to avoid like the plague (only 2 chargers) and also Scotch Corner. The rest are usually having some spaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    I turned up at Birchanger Services last night to use the Tesla Supercharger, all 4 were used with 6 in the queue.

    That's really dented the confidence in being able to use this on longer family journeys. I can't hang around for over an hour before charging with a car full of kids.
    To be honest it was precisely that scenario that put me off buying an I-Pace last time. The thought of having to sit somewhere bored witless for an hour or two just doesn't appeal. Surely this will only get much worse as more and more EVs hit the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    TBH very rare that superchargers are so busy and places with only 4 superchargers are the exception not the norm. Over time you'll learn which ones are better for availability etc and route via them. I'm surprised the navigation took you to a full supercharger as usually it will prioritise ones with free spaces.

    There is one at Winchester to avoid like the plague (only 2 chargers) and also Scotch Corner. The rest are usually having some spaces.
    Having to plan my routes to take in possible charging points sounds like a game I wouldn't want to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    To be honest it was precisely that scenario that put me off buying an I-Pace last time. The thought of having to sit somewhere bored witless for an hour or two just doesn't appeal. Surely this will only get much worse as more and more EVs hit the road.



    Having to plan my routes to take in possible charging points sounds like a game I wouldn't want to play.
    Honestly, until last night it was simple. The supercharger fills the car in no time and there's plenty of entertainment while you wait. Abetterroute.com makes the journey planning a doddle.

    Queues, that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Do people still use those ice scraper things?
    Been throwing very mildly luke warm water over my car for decades and never had any cracks or issues from it at all.

    Instant defrosting

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    Quote Originally Posted by xellos99 View Post
    Been throwing very mildly luke warm water over my car for decades and never had any cracks or issues from it at all.

    Instant defrosting
    Try cold water. I used to use a couple of 2 litre milk cartons to defrost mine years ago. Straight out the tap and worked fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    Honestly, until last night it was simple. The supercharger fills the car in no time and there's plenty of entertainment while you wait. Abetterroute.com makes the journey planning a doddle.

    Queues, that's the problem.
    That's what I mean. Having to sit there waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    I turned up at Birchanger Services last night to use the Tesla Supercharger, all 4 were used with 6 in the queue.

    That's really dented the confidence in being able to use this on longer family journeys. I can't hang around for over an hour before charging with a car full of kids.
    I went to a retail park near us last week about 4.30 pm and drove past 5 Tesla chargers all full as most i see seem to be no matter were they are

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Think of the precious energy saved with a scraper and a couple of minutes in the cold? Thatís what bothers me about electric cars. If they were really designed with energy saving in mind, surely theyíd have manual windows, and have as much weight as practically possible stripped out to increase range?
    Instead you get every gadget known to man, electric powered everything, electric heated everything. Go back a few years and car heaters were optional, now itís heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheels, tv screens where there used to be dials etc etc. not very hair shirt or eco warrior, your wealthy early adopter will only spend the cash if his or her eco wagon is fitted out with gadgets like a branch of Dixons!
    Hey, Petrol and Diesel cars have all those gadgets too, why should EVs miss out?! They all take extra energy as well, you just donít notice it as much carrying the equivalent of a 500kWh+ battery in liquid form around.

    EVs are about reducing the impact of private motoring, not removing it entirely. The only way to do that is to have no car at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    That's what I mean. Having to sit there waiting.
    Very rare in a Tesla. I upgraded to a Tesla from a RR Velar and if you want to tell me about waiting then the fuel queues would like to have a word. As it is I'm sat about to go into Tesco with free fuel being provided to my car as I shop. It isn't fast but where would you be able to do a shop in an ICE car and get 20% of your tank topped up for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    There is one at Winchester to avoid like the plague (only 2 chargers) and also Scotch Corner. The rest are usually having some spaces.
    Scotch Corner isnít too bad, busy at weekends and in holiday season though, as folks head to the Lakes.

    At the actual services there are 2 Gridserve units, they were both in use by Teslaís last week when I was there, but the 8 x Superchargers across the other side of the roundabout at the hotel were empty.

    Seems that having facilities is a bigger draw than the Superchargers sometimes.

    Scotch Corner services is earmarked for Gridserve Phase 2 apparently, going to be a dozen or more any EV chargers in the next few months.

    Wetherby is about to go live with its Phase 2 charger upgrades as well, 12 Gridserve units live by March and 12 Superchargers due to go in too, along with the 3 Gridserve units already there. Will help take some pressure off scotch corner, as folks can juice up there and be in range of the holiday destinations and miss Scotch Corner entirely.
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    I just find it amusing how car companies are finding energy efficient ways of powering cars, whilst simultaneously creating gadgets - albeit some of them are useful - to waste some of that power saving. We want this stuff but we donít really need it do we? - sadly things will be very different in our Bladerunner world just around the corner!
    Ps I never leave the car running on my drive with the keys in - if itís stolen your insurance is void plus itís illegal isnít it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Very rare in a Tesla. I upgraded to a Tesla from a RR Velar and if you want to tell me about waiting then the fuel queues would like to have a word. As it is I'm sat about to go into Tesco with free fuel being provided to my car as I shop. It isn't fast but where would you be able to do a shop in an ICE car and get 20% of your tank topped up for free
    Well I haven't sat in a fuel queue for the last 20 years so I really wouldn't know. It would take more than free fuel to get me in Tesco's, but that's a different story. If these things work for you that's great, it's all about choice at the end of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    TBH very rare that superchargers are so busy and places with only 4 superchargers are the exception not the norm. Over time you'll learn which ones are better for availability etc and route via them. I'm surprised the navigation took you to a full supercharger as usually it will prioritise ones with free spaces.

    There is one at Winchester to avoid like the plague (only 2 chargers) and also Scotch Corner. The rest are usually having some spaces.
    Norton Park is small, but they are opening up a bank of chargers at Tesla Winchester soon so that will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Illegal though.
    I was thinking of the practicalities, as I said I would not do anyway. Does the law apply to leaving an EV on too? If so Ryan had better watch out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt8500 View Post
    I was thinking of the practicalities, as I said I would not do anyway. Does the law apply to leaving an EV on too? If so Ryan had better watch out.
    I donít think Ryan has mentioned leaving the car on. The pre heating can be done with the car switched off and locked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    I donít think Ryan has mentioned leaving the car on. The pre heating can be done with the car switched off and locked up.
    I know, but thatís no different to ice cars too is it not? The EV is still Ďoní, or at least my i3 is. I was only joshing anyway, I am pretty sure the police have better things to do rather than worry about this whether EV or ICE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt8500 View Post
    I know, but thatís no different to ice cars too is it not? The EV is still Ďoní, or at least my i3 is. I was only joshing anyway, I am pretty sure the police have better things to do rather than worry about this whether EV or ICE!
    EVs arenít Ďoní when heated remotely, just the heating and ventilation system is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt8500 View Post
    I was thinking of the practicalities, as I said I would not do anyway. Does the law apply to leaving an EV on too? If so Ryan had better watch out.
    Of course not, no engine running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Ps I never leave the car running on my drive with the keys in - if itís stolen your insurance is void plus itís illegal isnít it?
    I believe it's legal to leave your car running as long as it's off the highway?
    You're spot on with the insurance though.

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    Hereís another consideration. Mrs Yumma decided to go EV. So we phoned our energy provider and asked them to install a Charger point, so began the shenanigans, it transpires our detached house has a looped supply; apparently very common for two or more houses in an estate to share an incoming main from the road. Because the added load of a car charger could overload the capacity we would need to be unlooped, thus our neighbour required a new electrical main, now his drive is dug up and two other neighbours also cannot access their drives because that is how far the trench will extend to pick up the Head in the public highway they will connect into. Causing mayhem. It is lucky we have good neighbours. This is something else homeowners and Government have not thought about. Imagine this all around the country, we are lucky we live at the end of the cul de sac. Madness!


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