Reply With QuoteI find the notion of getting in your car and driving for 3 hrs to tell a bloke on the internet what you think of him face to face quite odd.
it’s not good for the environment or ones mental health.
I think the majority of us can now safely make an opinion about you and your attitude.
Just to be clear, it is not a good one!
I find the notion of getting in your car and driving for 3 hrs to tell a bloke on the internet what you think of him face to face quite odd.
it’s not good for the environment or ones mental health.
Not sure three hours would suffice. The rest I agree with.Originally Posted by MrSmith
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Maybe you could meet him halfway or at the very least, contribute to his travel costs.
I know that the stats were almost certainly made up, but if 90% of people are vaccinated and only 70% of those dying are vaccinated, that proves the vaccine is effective.
Where are Patrick and Josh when you need them?
A good friend, in her late forties has just passed away due to her lungs giving up the good fight. She had Covid during the first lot and hasn't been right since, back in and out of hospital every few months (previously fit and well). She was a lovely person and would help anybody with anything. So unfair.
Even if these numbers were correct, you just said that - even though the non-vaccinated are mostly young healthy people - 30% of those 'dying in hospital' are from the 10% of the population that is not vaccinated.
Thanks for making the case for vaccination.
Why can't we have antibody tests as freely available as jabs?
Because that would remove an incentive for people to get vaccinated?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
But if you have the antibodies then you don't need a jab.
Says who?
The mere fact that you have antibodies doesn't say anything about the strength of your immunity. Even the recovered are still recommended to get vaccinated, for a reason.
I am double-vaccinated and have obviously shown a positive when I did an antibody test. I am still getting my booster next week.
By the way, the cost of an antibody test is 35 Euro here - how much in the UK?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I’ve not seen those statistics before, please could you cite the sources for me. Thank you.
You do realise that you just asked him to post a photo of his ass?
. Genuinely made me laugh out loud
But the mere fact that you have been vaccinated also doesn't say anything about your immunity also? Do we just keep injecting ourselves to death?
Why is the answer to the apparent "new omicron" variant another booster of the old vaccine? The initial reports suggested the mutations made the vaccine ineffective.
Whilst I'm not an antivaxer I find the whole situation bizarre and I firmly believe we are only being fed information which suits a certain narrative.
Cost wise the uk government has just increased the payment that pharmacy's etc receive for jabbing somone to £15/20 obviously the cost of the jab on top of that, so we are somewhere near the cost of a antibody test.
What’s bizarre about as many peoples immune systems being primed as much as possible for what’s to come?
A combination of both vaccines and a booster are proven to be the best current defence should you come into contact with the virus.
I know you’re not anti-vaccines, but what is the alternative/certain narrative that you think is being put forward?
The very early commentary on existing vaccines vs the mutated variants is they may be less effective, not totally ineffective.
Big difference, and it’s important to get it right.
it’s a vaccine not heroin.Do we just keep injecting ourselves to death?
I can't believe you are seriously asking these questions.
This horse has been flogged to death, the questions have been answered again and again and again in this thread, even on the last couple of pages.
If you were seriously interested to understand the answers, it would be so easy to get them as every newspaper and every talk show has debated it over and over and over again.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I think it will be interesting to see what happens after Israel's booster program is rolled out. They're keen on vaccinations, and things were going well for a while.
As far as an unvaccinated population goes. Who knows? There would be natural immunity, but an inevitable loss of 1.5% - ish of the population? Plus long covid, etc.
Which is a horrendous prospect, yet we would also need to factor in the excess deaths caused by lockdown, including the large rise in heart related deaths concurrent with lockdown/vaccine rollout. But that's not being discussed because, well... we're not really interested in the number of people dying. It's all about being on the right side.
It's an indisputable fact that the vaccines cause death among a very small number of people. And illness in others.
The doctor, earlier, mentioned unvaccinated covid deaths. Nothing about any upsurge in heart related problems. Perhaps he hasn't noticed any (I don't mean that in a sarcy way).
It is, however, a fact that other medical professionals are wary of reporting on possible vaccine related heart conditions - because they fear research funding will be withheld. I saw a clip of a British heart specialist talking about this recently. Maybe he was a 'lying psychopath'.
During lockdown, we saw a significant increase in the number of people dying at home, coupled with excess mortality. (I'm sure not vaccine related, rather lockdown related). This is not discussed.
This thread appears to contain a number or passionately concerned citizens - have any of you looked into it? Nuffield trust reported on it. Not much on the news, and the story appears to have vanished. Oh well, sod those poor buggers.
There was an initial glut of experts telling us that the first variant was nothing to be worried about, because all viruses mutate, and eventually weaken. The science changed, almost overnight. Variants are deadly. We're doomed.
This new Omicron variant is reportedly weak, and the head of Sth African Health has pondered whether we might allow it to become the dominant variant - in order to end the pandemic. This would appear to tally with the aforementioned, and long since muted, expert reporting on COVID mutation.
With such Pravda levels of reporting, it's no wonder we have a tin foil hat brigade pointing fingers at Bill Gates.
Sorry to have rambled on.
This is straying into conspiracy theory territory. Who is supposedly feeding us this narrative? The government? The media? The scientists? Are they all in collusion together, worldwide?
Maybe there is no conspiracy, the narrative just so happens to be reality, and individuals in the government, the media, the sciences, and the health services are trying their damnedest to get as many of us as possible through this pandemic. It must feel like a thankless task sometimes.
One of my brothers-in-law won't have the Covid vaccine because he maintains that it contains some device that allows the government to track him. He's an Electrician in a shopping centre.
Is tin foil a brand of helmet or just actual tin foil wrapped around one's head? Asking for a friend.
F.T.F.A.
Did he text you that on his mobile phone?
The reporting of (any given set of) events is sculpted into a narrative.
The conspiracy angle comes in when discussing who is doing the sculpting and why.
Benign: governments are pushing talking points in order to save us from disaster, media are largely cooperating.
Malicious: Bill Gates et al own the media and Governments. He's trying to track supermarket electricians.
"Oh, a tread about COVID, wonder how bad the comments can be?"
Checks the comments
"Yep, that Facebook level bad"
Perhaps, but not even remotely Bear Pit level bad.
Indeed, love the semblance of civility, as if aunt Hilda may check your comment story and don't want to disappoint her.
Yep, total Tommy rot. I've a friend who won't have the jab because he heard a friend say he knows people who have had all sorts of side effects one being, 'his testicles swelled to the side of a football'
Likewise, I don't know anyone who's died or had serious complications.
https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories...what-they-seem
Same with me and Covid.
For a year I didn't know of a single person who had even contracted it. Was beginning to think it was a myth! Then a few caught it. Nobody hospitalised or even close.
Thankfully by the time my family in Manchester finally caught it, they were all double jabbed.
I don't think that is a thing. People have been getting annual flu jabs for generations.
Yes, but statistics show that people in the UK who get an annual flu jab are far more likely to die each year than those that don't*
*please ignore the fact that only the vulnerable and over-50s usually get a flu jab.
Unlikely many people have been getting jabs for generations...
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One of the strange things about the rise of the internet is that paranoid psychotic delusions have become infectious. Perhaps they always were, but now it’s so much easier for all the people with paranoid delusions to find each and start their own TV channel.
I have - for about 2 generations now. Sob. Who remembers the polio vaccine that was a sugar lump?
I remember the sugar lump! I also remember seeing kids who’d had polio and it wasn’t pretty.
Anti-vaxxers=idiots in my book.
You must be very old or stated flu jabs young!
Yup I remember the sugar lump, I also remember the colour “ pink” Also I worked with a lad about 15 years ago , he would be 45 ish. He walked with a limp, I once asked him why , Polio as a child!
I had the polio vaccine on a sugar cube as well. 1970s.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Well, I'll be honest, I'm counting all my vaccines there (not flu specifically). But a quick Google suggests that the first flu vaccine was introduced during WW2.
If the polio was a sugar lump what is the scar size of a small 5p on the arm of 50’year olds - what was that for?
I suppose a wider issue is a deteriorating trust in Government and main stream media. Children have been taught for years now to challenge the status quo, do their own research to reach their own conclusions. More people are going to university and have learnt how to research (albeit, in most cases not very well), with the proliferation of the internet, information is more available and as a result individuals are less likely to take government advice at face value.
A very plausible question could be; would a government with hold information about possible adverse effects from the vaccine if they believed doing so would ultimately have a greater benefit to society.
Ultimately I’m vaccinated with three doses. But I try to see others views, society is too polarised and the hate that generates isn’t good for anyone.
Also, I wonder if a new thread in BP would be a better place to continue this?
Get well soon everyone!
BCG (for tuberculosis).
Also don’t forget the U.K. only removed the mandatory smallpox vaccination in 1967
Wow, just read through this thread, YMM announced a flounce which is normally an entertaining situation but in his case its very very sad, his stubbornness is just incredible.
I get you might have reasons for not having a jab but after contracting Covid where it then leaves you with life debilitating health problems at best, to then stick to your guns and say I was right not to have it and back that up with health professionals saying you were right not having it is just dumbfounding, that said if you are reading this Mick I wish you all the best and hope your health improves..
Regarding the Raffe PM's, I would take that as an active threat as it was aggressive, similar PM's have escalated and we dont want to get to level Soapy, keeping the argument as posts in the right area (BP) is fine as all can judge and chip in but once you PM it becomes much more personal, someone who PM's another member in any aggressive/confrontational manner should have an immediate full ban in my eyes..
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Which swelled at the site and produced puss. Imagine if the covid vax did that. Hahaha.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...ed_coronavirus
Study on ‘natural immunity’ and re infection in Qatar.
Makes me wonder whether there’s much need for a booster after being double jabbed and having contracted covid recently (as is the case with my relatives). Seems they would be well protected anyway, and frees up appointments for other people.
Ah, you know I do not think I’ve ever asked what it was for before.
Anyway, it’s worked so far ( or perhaps it was the pound of butter in the fridge ).
I’ve had three Pfizer shots and a month later have lost my hearing in one ear. Hope it’s not connected…
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