Reply With QuoteWe used to just call those symptoms "Post viral syndrome". Long Covid seems to be the same thing. Work used to give me all the symptoms on that list!Originally Posted by Neal666
Seriously?
Who would have an interest in driving up Covid numbers and fear? I hear this again and again, and nobody could give me a logical explanation who "they" are and what their motivation is.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
We used to just call those symptoms "Post viral syndrome". Long Covid seems to be the same thing. Work used to give me all the symptoms on that list!
Sky 🤔
The majority of people admitted to hospital, in ICU and dying of(with) Covid are vaccinated. Around 1 in 10 ICU beds are occupied by Covid patients and about 75% of those are vaccinated (as are a similar percentage in ordinary beds) so the unvaccinated aren’t really as big an issue as being made out.
Whilst the number of ICU beds has increased since the start of the pandemic (from around 4000 to 6000), the NHS have reduced overall bed numbers massively over the last ten years to such an extent, the UK are near the bottom of beds per head of all similar nations.
Yawn.
How often do we need to endure this shite?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Apparently quite a while, I swear anti-vax is a new religion.
For anyone whose partner is going through the menopause, most of those symptoms are applicable at various points in their cycle.
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I know infuriating isn't it, I wanna know the master plan, what's ''their'' endgame, the response thus far has been most unedifying, ''they'' remain, as do ''their'' intentions, obscure as ever.
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Meanwhile I'm convinced that the endgame and intentions of most vax sceptics is just being a bloody twat, the leaps of logic they do put Olympic athletes to shame
This is just twaddle.
According to a number of articles in the BMJ, (not Sky News - perhaps not the absolute bastion of truth and scientifically accurate or verified information) across the first 6 months of this year, 86% of hospitalised COVID cases were unvaccinated and 13% had only one jab.
Check your sources. Sky news are definitely not a reliable one
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2306
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Last edited by notenoughwrists; 10th December 2021 at 21:01.
Is it?
What do the data on hospital admissions show?
An analysis of UK data from the National Immunisation Management Service (NIMS) and the Coronavirus Clinical Information Network (CO-CIN),1 endorsed by the UK Scientific and Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE),2 shows that of 40 000 patients with covid-19 who were admitted to hospital between December 2020 and July 2021 a total of 33 496 (84%) had not been vaccinated. It found that 5198 (13%) of these patients had received their first vaccine and 1274 (3%) their second.
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^^^^
Take that...you fucking anti-vax idiots!
G&D rules, mate.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I agree!
It’s not twaddle and I’m not sure what you are going on about Sky because I would never quote them as a reliable source. If you read the thread and post #464 you will note I quote government figures that the majority of hospitalisations, and deaths are of vaccinated people. I’ve checked my sources I suggest you check yours.
Your data is to July 2021.Five months out of date.
Not anti vax at all, but you are showing your ignorance
Thing is if 100% of the population were vaccinated then 100% of hospitalisations would be in the vaccinated. It doesn't mean vaccines arent significantly reducing the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths
Please read
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-48.pdf
Yes - correct
Care to explain?
But it doesn't prove they are either does it??? You can look at the argument either way.
Is it not reasonable to also report the deaths happening daily because of the injection as intensely as deaths with "covid"? Or do we just not make them widely known along with the risks associated with the injection? There is a risk either way. Seems like the reporting is bias in one direction . Statistics can be manipulated to suit how you want to read them.
Why can't we push antibody tests rather than vaccinations? Don't give me the "cost implications" argument after the money that has been wasted so far. That way everyone's happy right?
Why isn't "boosting" your immune system the main focal point? Promoting health living, immune system boosting vitimins and minerals and generaly keeping yourself fit and well. Can you remember the last report or advert promoting this? No? Me neither!
I'm not saying this the solution and the vax maybe needed in some instances however if we got the above right then there would be significantly less people suffering with health issues that are amplifying "covid" symptoms or "covid" causing significant issues with their current condition..
There is lots of ways to look at it, there is lots of ways to manage and deal with it. Yes the vax is one way! however its not the only way however much its been forced.
Scouser, you?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Christ's sake
There are risks associated with the jabs (or any jabs) but they are tiny vs the risk of dying from Covid. Vax is one way out of the pandemic - the other currently available option is to not be vaccinated, catch Covid and hope not to die/develop a debilitating illness however on the balance of probabilities I went for the jabs. Your mileage may differ of course and that's fair enough.
As a member of an at-risk group(s), I just got my 4th Covid vaccine jab last night.
Go ahead, DON'T get vaccinated!
Last edited by pacifichrono; 11th December 2021 at 01:46.
How many times do I have to post this graphic?
It is the proportion of the each population that is in the hospitals that counts and by far and way it is higher in the Anti-rational thinking group!
Not sure why you have quoted my post. Of course a higher proportion of the unvaccinated(and remember lots of people can’t have the vaccination) are in hospital but given the majority of the population are vaccinated, what I stated stands- the majority of people admitted, in ICU and dying are vaccinated. The vaccine is of course keeping these numbers lower that it would be without the vaccine but, it is simply not true that the unvaccinated are clogging up hospital beds.How many times do I have to post this graphic?
It is the proportion of the each population that is in the hospitals that counts and by far and way it is higher in the Anti-rational thinking group!
And those quoting data up to July need to get the extra six mths to show how much it’s changed.
How many are these "lots of people" who cannot have the vaccine?
If the unvaccinated are not clogging up hospital beds, let's go a step further and reserve 20% of hospital beds for the 20% of unvaccinated people. Shouldn't be a problem then, right?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I like that analogy
Yeah, selective quotation of inadequately researched statistics can be quite liberating. Just ask Toby Young, who’s made his ‘journalistic’ career on it.
As ever the BBC’s “More or Less” cuts through the crap on deaths in vaccinated/unvaccinated groups. For those who want some proper information: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0b6j20n
Uni/School friend who is a GP made this remark in something I posted on FB this am.
Had no choice but just had to journey on a packed standing room only train, not a pleasant journey. The only people without masks on were teenagers and young men. Hope for their sakes this new variant doesn't adversely affect the young as reported in some places.
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Masks protect everybody else, much more than the wearer. You are protecting them by wearing a mask, they are spreading their load to you because they don't wear a mask.
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Very true, I was thinking along the same lines, but they are still risking it themselves while as you said, greatly increasing everyone else's risk. So glad I had my booster jab on Tuesday, hope its enough.
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Last edited by Ruggertech; 11th December 2021 at 12:34.
“They” would be the people who stand to profit most from this shite. I guess the people making these vaccines. It’s in their interest to have this go on for as long as possible with many many more variants to come. I am sure the key to all this is back in the Lab where this virus came from but what do I know.
^ Proper Hall of Fame® post. ^
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Worth reposting datUni/School friend who is a GP made this remark in something I posted on FB this am.
Yep it is big bad Pharma who are at fault. We even made the virus to release it as we were bored with just making our billions from our usual diabetes, blood pressure and chemotherapy drugs and wanted to branch out a little!
Just think where you would have been without our scientists and production plants, no doubt in the same sunny uplit lands of next-door to the Brexit ones!
It's interesting to see that the omicron variant requires "surprise" "surprise" 3 jabs to protect you.. not 1, not 2, but 3... this revelation isn't by total coincidence to support the push on boosters is it??
Yet conflicting information has said omicron is less serious but more transmitable. Given the injection doesn't prevent spread, why don't you just need 1 or 2 vaccinations for a less serious strain?
The next variant are we needing a booster for the booster?
Competition is intense today.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Very
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Indeed. Race to the bottom and both have already started to dig.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Surely the most successful virus will be one that harms its host the least, eg more transmission keeps the virus strain active. A deadly virus is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yes and no. The problem with Covid is that it spreads before the host feels symptoms. What happens to the host is therefore secondary.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Read the science a little more carefully and try to join up your thinking! Also quit looking for sinister motives, you’ll do yourself a huge favour.
There’s no reliable evidence to indicate whether Omicron is likely to lead to less serious illness, the initial anecdotal information was from S. Africa and based on a very different age profile to the UK. As I understand it the data isn’t yet available and any suggestions that its less serious are hope rather than evidence- based optimism.
Antibodies are being shown to be less effective against Omicron than Delta, that’s broadly in line with expectations given the degree of mutation exhibited on the spike protein, but maintaining high levels of the slightly less effective antibodies has been shown to provide a reasonably high safeguard against serious illness. On that basis the case for getting booster jabbed ASAP is very strong if not quite overwhelming, even the vaccine- hesitant must accept that case.
Transmissibility has been proven to be higher, Chances of catching Omicron are higher, all the more reason to give yourself the best chance of avoiding serious illness and hospitalisation. I can’t see any conflicts in the logic in any of this.
I think people struggle to cope with a changing situation, but unfortunately that’s the nature of the beast.
Vaccines will continue to play a major role and at the moment keeping up to date with vaccination is still the sensible option. The wider benefits in limiting the strain on the NHS have been discussed so I don’t need to re- emphasise that point, those who exercise their freedom of choice to not get vaxxed are potentially adding to the problem.
Yes, we may need a booster for the booster, but if the science dictates that’s the best option I don’t see a problem. Unfortunately there isn’t a quick easy fix to the pandemic, the experts tried to tell us that, but vaccination remains the best game in town. It’s disappointing that the initial 2 dose strategy hasn’t proved to be the panacea we hoped for but that’s no reason to be dismissive.
My advice to the refuseniks remains unchanged: stop moaning, stop looking for contrarian arguments and get jabbed......again! This is real life, not the 6th form common room.
A great, reasoned post walkerwek, but I am afraid some people here want easy answers, or see conspiracies in everything, and are not interested in reason.
Seriously?
Who would have an interest in driving up Covid numbers and fear? I hear this again and again, and nobody could give me a logical explanation who "they" are and what their motivation is.
Going back to this post though.
Obviously those in charge of vaccine rollout etc. Fear will get a greater number of ppl taking the vaccines, boosters and booster boosters. Simple marketing Raffe.
My God! I think you are onto to something! How did no one see such a clear connection.
Of course, it has nothing to do with the very much known effect of vaccine protection degradation over time. Those pesky Israelis must have been given a heads up by the Yanks that Omicron was about to be released as the next wave as they started boosting in the Summer when they first saw the protection decline effect of BioNTech.
Those damned Pharma monkeys peddling their filth. You know the stuff that keeps many people alive but never cures them so they just have to keep taking their drugs every day and the money rolling in to find new discoveries, sorry I mean their new diseases! They are making billions off the back of sick people, who really don’t need to be sick, employing tens of thousands and paying huge amounts of tax as well as helping those import/export balances.
Your insightfulness is astounding and they must call you Sherlock Holmes in the Asylum
Yes, very seriously.
As always, I cannot make up my mind if I am merely seeing a stupid person or someone who is pushing a malicious agenda.
If I had to guess, I would probably go for the first option though.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
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