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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Surely ones responsibility to any bloomin´shop keeper starts and finishes with completing the purchase with honest money.
    No one is questioning this.

    The point is that the AD is also perfectly entitled to sell any model to whoever he wants, and that as such he has the right to blacklist you from any future Rolex purchase.
    Mind, I am not playing the game, just commenting from the sideline
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    If I may add (from the sidelines of course) that I do hope luxury watch manufacturers don't start to chip their products and begin using GPS to establish who's wearing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    SJ

    If I may add (from the sidelines of course) that I do hope luxury watch manufacturers don't start to chip their products and begin using GPS to establish who's wearing them.
    Blockchain ;-)

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    ^Excellent idea, O.

    We could also use software that reverses factored primes via the general number field sieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    ^Excellent idea, O.

    We could also use software that reverses factored primes via the general number field sieve.
    Vacheron are using blockchain already I think, or are at least looking in to it.

    Presumably it makes a watch trackable and traceable as it changes hands? If so this could deter some greys (and their AD suppliers) but maybe Rolex don't want that. Who knows? Who cares? No me. RAJEN, probably. He thinks I'm an "idiot" because I believe that if you've paid for the watch then it is yours to do with as you please. (Crazy, I know. But then I'm weird like that.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    We could also use software that reverses factored primes via the general number field sieve.
    The Riemann Zeta AlphaOmega hypothesis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    I won't be debasing myself at an AD to obtain one. My dignity is worth more than that.
    Bottom line and end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt M View Post
    Some car manufactures apply almost identical tactics to Rolex to prevent flippers/speculators.
    It would help if more people knew this. What we think of as specifically a Rolex circus also applies to other brands across the luxury goods world. Rolex are not unique in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petethegeek View Post
    The Riemann Zeta AlphaOmega hypothesis?
    *cough*

    Whoops.

    That's twenty years of Diophantine analysis up the spout.

    Never mind, next I shall be attempting to reverse the arrow of time in order to stretch the TF buying window.

    *rummages around in a desk drawer for some chalk*

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    Quote Originally Posted by petethegeek View Post
    The Riemann Zeta AlphaOmega hypothesis?
    Is that like the Astley Paradox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Surely ones responsibility to any bloomin´shop keeper starts and finishes with completing the purchase with honest money.
    What about the shop keeper in Mr Benn? I don't remember him ever asking for or receiving any money despite a lot of outfits being tried on and used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estoban7 View Post
    What about the shop keeper in Mr Benn? I don't remember him ever asking for or receiving any money despite a lot of outfits being tried on and used.
    Special relationship I'd guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estoban7 View Post
    What about the shop keeper in Mr Benn? I don't remember him ever asking for or receiving any money despite a lot of outfits being tried on and used.
    This is a problem that has vexed me for over forty years. I hope someone has the answer.
    Also, I don't recall Mr Benn referring to him as "my shopkeeper".

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    I recommend you avoid the reboot, as it's awful:

    Mr Benn and The Tiger Who Came To Tea (a cross-over vehicle which did neither parties any good)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post

    Mr Benn and The Tiger Who Came To Tea (a cross-over vehicle which did neither parties any good)
    Die Zeit verwandelt uns nicht, sie entfaltet uns nur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    I recommend you avoid the reboot, as it's awful:

    Mr Benn and The Tiger Who Came To Tea (a cross-over vehicle which did neither parties any good)
    I preferred Tiger in the bed by Claude Balls.

    (sorry, cobwebs on that one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggertech View Post
    Also, I don't recall Mr Benn referring to him as "my shopkeeper".
    I also don't recall the shopkeeper asking Mr Benn to promise not to sell the outfit once he had gone through his err back door.

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    Well it was broadcast before the watershed ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danstone View Post
    Two possibilities spring to mind. You sell it to someone who, as happened to Ryan, then puts it on ebay with the warranty card on show or you sell it to someone who then needs some warranty work done on it, which is far from uncommon.
    The first example is probably the most problematic as the dealer is then shown in the public domain as potentially selling to a flipper. Problem is that once the watch is out of your hands you have no control of how it is marketed.
    We all know dealers are feeding the grey market, Rolex know dealers are feeding the grey market and are quite happy with it because if that route was shut down and there was no instant profit waiting lists would end for most models and they would be available at a discount again as they were five years ago. They just don’t want you to know they are happy and don’t want it flaunted.
    It’s a sad state of affairs but there are thankfully other makes available.
    I see, thanks. In that case I’d sell privately to someone and keep the warranty card just like a dealer would! In the end, we’re all ADs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estoban7 View Post
    What about the shop keeper in Mr Benn? I don't remember him ever asking for or receiving any money despite a lot of outfits being tried on and used.
    That’s socialism for you. Tony Benn, scourge of the shopkeeping classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairn1980 View Post
    The AD want their watches going on genuine customers wrists. That’s all.

    Clearly it’s not for you, and likewise, you’ll not be someone they’d want to sell to, and that’s equally fine.
    However for most collectors, they’ll be totally fine with it, and they have huge waiting lists of collectors happy to sign up.
    Collectors or people wanting a profit/investment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jari37 View Post
    It would help if more people knew this. What we think of as specifically a Rolex circus also applies to other brands across the luxury goods world. Rolex are not unique in this.
    But this tends to be for models produced in tens, not tens of thousands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    But this tends to be for models produced in tens, not tens of thousands...

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    And for things that are generally nice to look at, the Nautilus for example looks like a high polished Accurist. Even the PP museum has it tucked away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    Vacheron are using blockchain already I think, or are at least looking in to it.

    Presumably it makes a watch trackable and traceable as it changes hands? If so this could deter some greys (and their AD suppliers) but maybe Rolex don't want that. Who knows? Who cares? No me. RAJEN, probably. He thinks I'm an "idiot" because I believe that if you've paid for the watch then it is yours to do with as you please. (Crazy, I know. But then I'm weird like that.)
    Has anybody in the entire thread said otherwise? I honestly don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert75 View Post
    Collectors or people wanting a profit/investment?
    You can be a collector, but still be pleased to see your watch values increase.
    I always try and buy what I love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    Has anybody in the entire thread said otherwise? I honestly don't think so.
    Quote Originally Posted by RAJEN View Post
    All the hyperventilation and the nasty sarcasm aside, there is also the question of being fair to the AD who sold you the watch ( not your AD). Even if you don’t want to buy another Rolex and you have your Rolex exit piece, why create a potentially troublesome scenario for the AD who allotted you the Rolex watches.
    Idiots will come and say- you paid for the watch and it is yours to do as you please but in reality if AD allotted the watch with the assumption that you are not a flipper and that you wouldn’t flip it in a short time, it is reasonable to consider this. The practical question is- what is considered a short time. The rest is just some noise by the usual coterie of losers who come and p*SS on every Rolex thread.
    Last edited by Rev-O; 24th November 2021 at 08:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nairn1980 View Post
    You can be a collector, but still be pleased to see your watch values increase
    I always try and buy what I love.
    Me too and I find I love the little bugg3rs even more if they are worth double RRP

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    Grown man with dignity who are happy with their lot in life and confident of their choices don’t go hoarse talking about watches that they don’t fancy or making pathetic assumptions about people who do fancy those watches. Fact.
    Pavlov was correct.Fact.

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    Can anyone please let me know when we will cover this subject again next month? I would like to put it in the diary. Don’t want to miss it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    Can anyone please let me know when we will cover this subject again next month? I would like to put it in the diary. Don’t want to miss it.
    I wouldn't worry, if you miss the next one another three will be along shortly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    Can anyone please let me know when we will cover this subject again next month? I would like to put it in the diary. Don’t want to miss it.
    Check back every week. A month is too long a wait. A lot of people can’t sleep if we don’t have this ‘discussion’ periodically. Very short periods at that. 😃

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