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    Is it me or is Fortis really good at making watches?

    Two new models out today:

    Marinemaster M-44 Diver

    44mm - recycled stainless steel case.
    500m water resistance
    Some clever Fortis locking system that enables the bezel to rotate in both directions.
    And it's bloody lovely:


    And the Marinemaster M-40 Diver

    Same specs as above but 40mm and 300m water resistance
    Also bloody lovely:






    Every time Fortis has released a new watch recently I've loved it.

    Not handled one for years - where do we go to do so in the UK nowadays? I'm a Londoner but regularly in the Liverpool/Wirral area of the NW too.
    Are they as good as they look?
    Where are they on the bang for buck scale where 0 = Hublot and 10 = Nomos or Tudor?

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    I have not handled a ‘modern’ Fortis but they have always made fantastic watches, I have long been a fan.
    That’s said their designs have really improved in the last couple of years. I would also like to try one in the metal.
    They are a good looking watch, I would likely go 44mm though.
    Must dig out my B42 or GMT from the safe for tomorrow.

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    Yes, those look fantastic, as does the new Flieger. I have a B42 Marinemaster in white, which I bought I think around 2007 in Spain. Great watch.
    I see Jura Watches have them. Not cheap though, well into Tudor territory.

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    I am a fanboy. Was collecting them before I was even a member here.

    Used to be an AD in Nottingham and I bought their whole stock once!

    B42 pilot pro chrono was the first expensive (over £300 classes as expensive) watch I ever bought new


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    Leeds is the place to go - thereís an AD there that always has a massive stock


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    Quote Originally Posted by tobywatches View Post
    Are they as good as they look?
    I handled their new fliegers a few weeks ago -- very nice. Not sure if the steel is the same kind as in my old-school Official Cosmonauts, but close and still feels very nice in hand, above average.

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    I agree that they have been knocking it out of the park with their designs recently and show you can still have an individual design. However their prices are increasing and I feel that these are about £1,000 more than they should be.

    44mm is a little large for me but it isnít as thick as their chronographs so may make a difference. However, that didnít stop me picking this beauty up earlier this year.





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    Who owns them now? I thought they went bust a few years back.

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    Thanks. It's always been a great brand and hopefully they'll do well.

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    I've had about 5 or 6 Fortis over the years and I was really impressed with each one - the B42 series was my favourite, with the GMT version being the last to go from my collection earlier this year.

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    Are they producing in-house movements now?

    The new owner has the spiel but Iím guessing Fortis will now be a luxury proposition rather than a sensible utilitarian option.

    Starting prices at £2k+?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    Are they producing in-house movements now?
    AFAIK, no. They use Sellita and Kenissi now. Which means that despite the fact I like the brand, it's unlikely I'll be buying a Fortis soon (they're asking too much for the Sellita-based models IMO and Kenissi is a no-no for me, as my money's not ever going to Rolex).

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    Certainly is a nice watch and I do like the design, just priced too high in my opinion.

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    Iíve had a few (the first watch I bought here was a Fortis) including a Marinemaser B-42. All good quality - a brand Iíve always rated.

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    Love Fortis in general, this one wouldn't be too bad either, if it didn't have hidden lugs, that i'm not a huge fan of

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    Really like the look of these. 🤩

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    Agreed, I think their recent pilots watch (the blue one in particular), the grey mars mission chrono and now these divers are all fantastic.

    There was a time in their design line, about 5 years ago where I found their watches a bit too stark but I think their chronos from 15 years+ ago are brilliant too.

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    Iím not super fussed about the movement in my tool watches but 38h power reserve is so bad itís annoying - lovely watch otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paw3001 View Post
    these are about £1,000 more than they should be.



    I loved this when I saw it. Some awesome pics too. It was probably the one recently that really made me stand up and take notice of Fortis. Now I get their emails and drool at each one.
    Do you feel this was £1k too much too? How much was it if you don't mind my asking.
    And does it come with that stand?!

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    The one in the OP looks great - would need to see it on a wrist to confirm that, though.

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    Superb watches. I have the Lemania 5100 Cosmonaut chrono and the accompanying day date diver. Super legible and tough as they come. Look really good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    The one in the OP looks great - would need to see it on a wrist to confirm that, though.
    Indeed, I suspect they are CGI. Good CGI though and the models look promising, if you like 44mm. Itís getting harder and harder to tell whatís real.


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    Lovely looking watch, but the price is just wrong. For that kinda money i would buy a SM300 anytime. Too bad.

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    Definitely a bit too pricey now.

    They were always a utilitarian watch at a reasonable price but I guess the new owners have other ideas.

    I have this older model.









    And this much older model...



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    Am I alone in disliking textured dials?? The Fortis's that the OP posted look great, but I'd so much prefer them with a plain dial.

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    Iíve had 3 or 4 over the years, nice watches and I like the look of the new ones too
    Iím expecting them to cost a bit more than Iíd really want to payÖ.

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    The waffle dial and internal numbered rehaut reminds me of an AP diver, which is no bad thing

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    I must say that is a looker!!

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    Never owned one or touched one ,like a lot of other brands,but Iíd definitely be interested in taking a look at these,probably not at rrp though .


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    Quote Originally Posted by tobywatches View Post
    I loved this when I saw it. Some awesome pics too. It was probably the one recently that really made me stand up and take notice of Fortis. Now I get their emails and drool at each one.
    Do you feel this was £1k too much too? How much was it if you don't mind my asking.
    And does it come with that stand?!
    I was talking about the Marinemasters which are priced around the Ä3k level which I believe is too much for a 40mm 3 hander with that old movement no matter how nice they look.

    The Amadee-20 Misson to Mars is 44mm and made of Titanium. It doesnít come with that stand. Thatís a separate purchase from M.A.D. gallery.

    The retail price was Ä3,800 but you can get decent discounts which I was able to get as I wouldnít pay retail for it.

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    Iíve always liked Fortis, particularly the older models such as the Flieger Chrono, official cosmonauts 3 hander and chronographs.



    With the B42 I thought they had lost their way a bit, but was sorry to see the company cease trading

    These new watches are undoubtedly high quality, but my word the prices are high!

    The 44mm, Kenissi movement or not is twice the price of a Sinn U1, and £1500 more than a Tudor BB58.

    The 40mm version at £3000 is £1000 over-priced.

    You knew the predecessor company was in trouble when deeply discounted watches were offloaded via Jomashop. I canít see anyone paying these prices, and that risks secondary market dumping, and brands struggle to survive that.

    Dave


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGrumpy View Post
    Am I alone in disliking textured dials?? The Fortis's that the OP posted look great, but I'd so much prefer them with a plain dial.
    No, you are not alone. I'm not a fan at all. I can't like GS snowflakes for the same reason.


    EDIT: I'm currently watching this one on the bay





    Now that's a proper Fortis
    Last edited by Onelasttime; 14th October 2021 at 20:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    No, you are not alone. I'm not a fan at all. I can't like GS snowflakes for the same reason.


    EDIT: I'm currently watching this one on the bay





    Now that's a proper Fortis
    I am the same. Remain totally unmoved by the GS textured dials that people go gaga over.
    Fortis makes some proper watches that I really like.

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    I'd sooner wear a Fortis Cosmonaut than a Daytona, as for prices they seem "par for the course" crikey Seikos are hardly good value any longer.
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    I mostly find them a bit nondescript and generic, but I love the designs in the top post.

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    Had several & they were all excellent.

    The new Marinemaster looks great and Ä3,300 for the 40mm on a bracelet is not too bad, albeit I'd not buy one new at that price in front of a Pelagos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobywatches View Post





    They need to do better with the bracelet / case interface too. Bracelet is too narrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy tims View Post
    Had several & they were all excellent.

    The new Marinemaster looks great and Ä3,300 for the 40mm on a bracelet is not too bad, albeit I'd not buy one new at that price in front of a Pelagos.

    Good point. I had missed the price

    The whole watch industry pushing up culture is bizarre sometimes.

    I know Tudor offers value as one of their USPs but itís weird how many watches seem to price themselves alongside a BB or pelagos and donít offer anywhere near the same quality. Though I put my hands up and admit I havenít handled one of these Fortises(?)

    I know value is subjective and maybe if you owned / tried one of the tudors, decided it wasnít for you and looked elsewhere, it might work as a proposition, but surely, this pricing is a bit mad. Bring it in a grand cheaper, Fortis.

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    Is it me or is Fortis really good at making watches?

    Whilst I have not tried the newer Fortis product
    I would say my B42 cosmonaut chronograph is almost equal in quality to my Pelagos
    I wore them back to back this week (Tudor yesterday) and the bracelet, finishing, crystal and bezel action are a quality product.
    They only areas in which I would say the Tudor is superior are lume and clasp.
    The same can not be said for the previous generation Fortis they are a step down in quality but still a great watch for the money they were charging then

    Last edited by Sinnlover; 15th October 2021 at 19:11.

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    I do like the older Fortis models, which is why I ended up with this...



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    I really love my Cockpit Two which I've had now for five years or so. It is one of my favourite watches.

    The new ones are looking sharp.

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    The new Marinemaster looks great.

    I love the brand and have done since 1990 when I bought my first Fortis chronograph. Nowadays it's the Pilot Classic that is a firm favourite.




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    Well, this thread inspired me to wear this today.


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    I have this Marine Master. I know there was some controversy about them when they were re-released (there was supposed to only be a limited number but suddenly 100s were up for sale). There was also the minefield of whether the various Fortis kits which were on ebay were real or fakes.

    But its quirky and I love the acrylic crystal and dial, busy though it is.



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