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    2021 Tudor Marine Nationale Pelagos



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    New leaked photos have just surfaced on Instagram. Fixed lugs, engraved case back, no date and fully graduated bezel.

    WR looks to be 200m (?) so I would hazard a guess that the case is smaller and thinner as a result.

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    I thought we saw these photos a while back, there was some doubt about their veracity at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post





    Fair enough. I stand corrected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idontgram View Post
    Fair enough. I stand corrected
    Like a man in an orthopaedic shoe shop ;-)

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    Damn... that's a winner.

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    Interesting. In the pictures it looks like there might be drilled lugs.


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    Or maybe its a scratch!


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    Strap bars are integrated with the case - interesting design

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    Yeah I know, was wondering if the end product ended up coming with springbars and drilled lugs instead but I think its just a scratch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchOnWrist View Post
    Yeah I know, was wondering if the end product ended up coming with springbars and drilled lugs instead but I think it’s just a scratch.


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    If that is a drilled lug, that would be a rather far in and low down position for it? The strap also doesn't appear to be running anywhere near where the spring bars would be. I agree with the scratch/damage idea.

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    I would be very interested if this becomes a new model in the Pelagos range


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    Is the case size same as the standard Pelagos?

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    I can't tell if I like it.

    The fixed lugs will really limit strap options - especially for what I imagine will not be a particularly cheap watch
    The fully graduated bezel is a really nice touch
    No need for snowflake hand as Tudor have over done them by now.

    Just imagine if they had done a Tudor Milsub;
    Sword hands
    Fully graduated ceramic bezel
    Signature Tudor blue shade
    40mm Titanium case
    Drilled lug holes
    The amazing self adjusting pelagos bracelet @20mm

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    I was one of those that commented on MWR about the first set of photos weeks back, which I did not think were genuine, because of the realky contrived strap and the square case between the lugs, both of which I thought could not be genuine.
    It seems I may be wrong.
    If this gets public release as a smaller size than the standard Pelagos, I may have to be in the queue.
    And yes of course it has to have snowflake hands, they were invented for the MN, so to leave them out would ve totally wrong. When did Tudor ever use swords, or even last use mercedes hands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    of course it has to have snowflake hands, they were invented for the MN, so to leave them out would ve totally wrong. When did Tudor ever use swords, or even last use mercedes hands?
    I know they couldn't use anything else for an MN watch but for me Tudor stick the snowflake hands on every design, and it's now overdone.

    My point wasn't how to tweak the MN watch but rather a reimagining/mash up of a Milsub but under the Pelagos brand, as the fully graduated bezel seemed like it was already a step in that direction.

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    What is great here is the no-date, and the removal of the recesses in the chapter ring for the indices - it simplifies the dial.

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    If this is legit,

    The lug change is a no for me, the fully graduated bezel is a no for me, and the removal of the stepped ring around the markers is also a negative. Would not in the least be interested in moving on my Pelagos for one of these.

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    Like Sweets I poo pooed this when mentioned on MWR, I thought the images looked a bit too photoshopped. However it looks as if this is real and if so great. Not sure I would buy one from a shop but if an issued one from the MN came on the market I would likely be in the initial scramble to own it. Same for the Israeli issued Pelagos.
    It has to have snowflake hands, why would Tudor want to reference the milsub. They did not make it and it has nothing to do with the brands history. I think its good that Tudor have gone out of their way to produce something like this even if I originally thought it was a hoax.

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    Still somehow "off target"...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXdUDKxiRE
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    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    I would absolutely get one. Hope it is SS.

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    Looks very nice, but Id personally prefer a date window.
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    Looks good but Id like to think that also had a standard Pelagos 200m with bracelet to accompany this MN edition. Also hoping that its still titanium and not steel. But the colour of the metal looks very bright.


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    Really not a fan, just looks like a Pelagos knock off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AmosMoses View Post
    Really not a fan, just looks like a Pelagos knock off.


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    Indeed, fails to hit the spot.
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    Excited to see if this becomes available. And , of course it should have snowflake hands.


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    I like it but would be more than happy with a simple no date Pelagos.

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    This could be a prototype, as alluded to, when the first images leaked. I struggle to believe that those fixed lugs are the final design. So Im reserving judgement until its released.

    Id like to see a 39mm plagos with reduced case height, drilled lugs and no date. Looks like were getting a steel plagos with a simpler dial and fixed lugs. Classic Tudor enthusiast trolling

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchOnWrist View Post
    Interesting. In the pictures it looks like there might be drilled lugs.


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    Theres no drilled lugs, the strap bar is fixed - as in part of the structure of the case, meaning no spring bars, which obviously means drilled lugs would be pointless.

    I love the original Pelagos but have always held off because of its thickness. Not fussed about this version personally.
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    I'd jump at the chance of a slightly smaller, less slab sided Pelagos without date, but not sure I like the fully graduated bezel

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    Still all seems a bit odd to be honest. Watch manufacturers haven't in the past worked like apple where a select few try out a new product prior to release. It's not like a watch has hardware and software that needs field testing. Usually they leave everyone guessing and work towards a big reveal, these days on social media.

    To see this very unusual lug design on what looks to be a battered up 'prototype' just seems very out of the ordinary.

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    Looks like a cool watch if legit but I feel like Tudor have release 1000000 new models of late. Sort of takes the shine off some of their releases for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    Still all seems a bit odd to be honest. Watch manufacturers haven't in the past worked like apple where a select few try out a new product prior to release. It's not like a watch has hardware and software that needs field testing. Usually they leave everyone guessing and work towards a big reveal, these days on social media.

    To see this very unusual lug design on what looks to be a battered up 'prototype' just seems very out of the ordinary.
    I feel Tudor are seeing Panerai's fortunes wane and are gulping their market share by reinventing themselves as a military based manufacturer. Started with the P01 and now this.

    I do like the P01 however and I like this piece.

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    2021 Tudor Marine Nationale Pelagos

    Much prefer the PO1 to this offering - if its real. The fixed bar set-up just looks odd. If CWC made a blue faced diver in the Monnin style case Id be all over it, but this just looks a bit meh. Looks more like a micro brand than something cost a few 1000 months imho. Hope its not real as its a very pedestrian effort.


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    I think it looks great. Strap change options will be limited but full graduated bezel in blue, dial blue ad what looks like titanium case. Win win win for me.

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    great idea but the snowflake hands really grate on me. overdone and sword hands would have been a nice nod to the Rolex heritage

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    Quote Originally Posted by drhexagon View Post
    great idea but the snowflake hands really grate on me. overdone and sword hands would have been a nice nod to the Rolex heritage

    May as well pop Rolex on the dial too, maybe some sort of oyster bracelet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kace View Post
    May as well pop Rolex on the dial too, maybe some sort of oyster bracelet?
    https://www.tudorwatch.com/en/inside...-black-bay-one

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    Quote Originally Posted by kace View Post
    May as well pop Rolex on the dial too, maybe some sort of oyster bracelet?
    Do you think Tudor would have been as popular without the Rolex association?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drhexagon View Post
    Do you think Tudor would have been as popular without the Rolex association?
    Almost certainly not, but do you think that Rolex would let their considerably cheaper brand start to use all of their designs as they used to?

    The Snowflake is Tudor's unique signature. If you don't like it, then don't buy it, that's fine.
    Just don't expect them to be something else.
    Especially on a blue-dialled MN watch - which is what the snowflake was invented for.

    It would be interesting to see if Tudor ever consider re-deploying the Lollipop hand, another Tudor feature from the past.
    My guess is that they would consider that to be too close to the mercedes hands to be usable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Almost certainly not, but do you think that Rolex would let their considerably cheaper brand start to use all of their designs as they used to?

    The Snowflake is Tudor's unique signature. If you don't like it, then don't buy it, that's fine.
    Just don't expect them to be something else.
    Especially on a blue-dialled MN watch - which is what the snowflake was invented for.

    It would be interesting to see if Tudor ever consider re-deploying the Lollipop hand, another Tudor feature from the past.
    My guess is that they would consider that to be too close to the mercedes hands to be usable.
    Would love to see Tudor issuing a BB58 with a lollipop hand. the original 76100 is my favourite Tudor sub

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    I'm a big fan of the lollipop hand, especially on the 94010 after the snowflake handset was retired. I've read that the lollipop's use was discontinued due to the lume becoming unstable and cracking. It is a smaller area overall than the snowflake hand though so I don't know if that assessment is actually accurate.

    (not my watch or photo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon007 View Post
    I'm a big fan of the lollipop hand, especially on the 94010 after the snowflake handset was retired. I've read that the lollipop's use was discontinued due to the lume becoming unstable and cracking. It is a smaller area overall than the snowflake hand though so I don't know if that assessment is actually accurate.

    (not my watch or photo)
    They were only made for a couple of years before being replaced by the Mercedes hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortex89 View Post
    The more I see these photos the less convinced I am. All these photos shows the bezel alignment as a 120 click bezel. Tudor is well known for its 60 click bevel. I dont think theyd change this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by natosteve View Post
    The more I see these photos the less convinced I am. All these photos shows the bezel alignment as a 120 click bezel. Tudor is well known for its 60 click bevel. I dont think theyd change this.


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    Would normally agree with you there but Beckham is a brand ambassador. He's paid to wear Tudor. Anything he has with Tudor on the dial will be directly from Tudor.

    Launch must be imminent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natosteve View Post
    The more I see these photos the less convinced I am. All these photos shows the bezel alignment as a 120 click bezel. Tudor is well known for its 60 click bevel. I dont think theyd change this.


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    That hand alignment is also typical posed for a photo shot (crown cropped out so possibly pulled out) or non running prototype positioning.

    But you'd also think they'd align the bezel properly...unless it's a very subtle WIS flag for the bezel click change!

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    It might just be the angle but the bezel looks very odd at the bottom.

    20 round to 40 looks at a different angle to the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kace View Post
    It might just be the angle but the bezel looks very odd at the bottom.

    20 round to 40 looks at a different angle to the rest.
    I think that's likely lens distortion given the angle of the photo and how close the watch appears to be to the camera?

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