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    Quote Originally Posted by genesos View Post
    The EV6 is long and lowish, with a cockpit type driving position. Would have thought it's sister model the Ioniq 5 would be a better choice.

    Low speed ride on the Mach-E is poor, around town you will feel every bump in the road
    It seems that the ones that suit looking at what is available would be EV6, Polestar 2 and the Ioniq 5

    Need to go and have a look at them and see what fits. Seems the Polestar and the EV6 are low at the back with Polestar even being called a Fastback. Will see if dog fits comfortably- kids can fend for themselves:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    I’m now 11 months into EV ownership, done 13,000 miles and I’ve only ever charged it at home on the 7p/kwh octopus tariff, never once had to use a public charger at all which I think illustrates how it works well for some and not for others. I do have a colleague who is new to EV’s and she had to make a 300 mile each way drive recently and moaned at the cost of public charging. However when I pointed out the first 300 mile leg was using charge from her home charger at 7p/kWh (she’s also on octopus at home) she realised it wasn’t too expensive, and made her rethink. I have to say I have no idea if I’d bother with an EV without my own drive/charger.
    There were free chargers (11kw/h) a 5 min walk from my house which I benefitted from for c.6 months (I spent about £50 charging in those 6 months and that’s at about 28p kw/h)…then they stopped working.

    For some reason rather than look for an EV tariff in Feb this year I locked in at about 28p kw/h, I guess at the time I was still getting a free charge. Driving was working out at about 8p per mile in the summer but I’d still drive to an office for a free charge every couple of weeks. I’m sure in 2023 when I was looking at EV tariffs, you were penalised with quite a high daytime electricity rate for a lower rate over night, so being a perm. WFH-er, I didn’t engage.

    Shocked to realise when I finally sorted an EV tariff this week that it’s 23p kw/h outside of “cheap” hours so that’s 25% cheaper than I was paying before even at peak times.

    Of about £120 a month I was spending on electric, £100 was for my car. That should come down to about £30 now. Happy days.

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    I just inquired for a 2022 Model Y Perf, just 12tkm on the clock. I drove one recently as a rental, and it's not bad. The powerline is excellent, also space all over. I was not that impressed by handling or using the ipad... However, when I look at the other options in this price range, somehow they are all worse (Skoda, WV, Kia) in different ways.

    I currently drive a two year old X5 hybrid, but our driving need have changed and an electric car would do fine now and also the tax benefit is significant. I'm taking a bath for sure with the BMW as I've owned it only a year.

    Let's see what come out of this, but still within this year I plan to be driving a Tesla. I can already hear my son complaining... ;)

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    Electric cars-got to be a viable option now?

    Had an IX3 for the last couple of months now… seems the cold weather really does affect the estimated range.. now hoping for warmer weather!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinese_Alan View Post
    Of about £120 a month I was spending on electric, £100 was for my car. That should come down to about £30 now. Happy days.
    WFH and only £20 per month on all non-car electricity? Are you sure? Solar farm in the back garden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevieb View Post
    Looking at the Audi and the Mach-e in my pice range they are all a bit leggy. We tend to keep cars for years; this will be replacing a CMax we have had for about 16yrs…..

    Need to check and see if the EV6 has a big enough and comfortable enough boot for my dog (mid-size).
    Looks like a bunch of snobs on here. No one has bothered mentioning the fantastic Skoda Enyaq. Huge boot for the dog, supremely comfortable and not a bad looking EV either.

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    The Enyaq is possibly a victim of its own success; it’s a great car but seems to hold its value better than most. It therefore looks a bit pricy in comparison to what else you can get for the money.

    I’ve just noticed that they seem to have dropped the 60 model in favour of a 50 model (with 52kwhr useable battery) and dropped the price to around £37k, although there is a brand new one on Autotrader at £32k.

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    New tax rules are very negative for EVs here in the Netherlands. Cars are taxed according to their curb weight. Electric cars are heavier than ICE’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    New tax rules are very negative for EVs here in the Netherlands. Cars are taxed according to their curb weight. Electric cars are heavier than ICE’s.
    Crazy how the goalposts keep moving.

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    Has anyone looked at the Yangwang U8 (online at least)? Is this the future for luxury EVs? It’s a hybrid for now.

    (I recommend Youtube if you aren’t familiar. Think luxury leather, 1000bhp, 360 degree tank turns, amphibious, optional roof mounted drone.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post
    Has anyone looked at the Yangwang U8 (online at least)? Is this the future for luxury EVs? It’s a hybrid for now.

    (I recommend Youtube if you aren’t familiar. Think luxury leather, 1000bhp, 360 degree tank turns, amphibious, optional roof mounted drone.)
    And STUNNING good looks too (not) 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    Looks like a bunch of snobs on here. No one has bothered mentioning the fantastic Skoda Enyaq. Huge boot for the dog, supremely comfortable and not a bad looking EV either.
    Had not looked at them but seems to tick a lot of boxes. The 80 with 82kwh battery on 2022 falls right in the price range. What are the drawbacks with them disregarding the slow speed figures? I am still new to the charging side but do they not do fast charging? What battery warranty do Skoda give?

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    Electric cars-got to be a viable option now?

    I guess looks are influenced by culture and other factors. I wouldn’t choose it but my car is 22 years old and so different in looks from most modern cars that I am trying not to judge. The 3.5 tonne weight is an issue but I guess future models might be lighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    And STUNNING good looks too (not) 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevieb View Post
    Had not looked at them but seems to tick a lot of boxes. The 80 with 82kwh battery on 2022 falls right in the price range. What are the drawbacks with them disregarding the slow speed figures? I am still new to the charging side but do they not do fast charging? What battery warranty do Skoda give?
    The 50 charges at up to 145kw and the 85 at up to 175kw. Not the 350kw of some but more than adequate unless you’re doing huge daily mileages.

    The battery warranty is 8 years to 70% capacity but it is highly unlikely that you’d ever need it. Most EV batteries last well beyond the life of the car itself.

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    Electric cars-got to be a viable option now?

    Just made the jump from Octopus to Tomato Lifestyle.

    5p per kWh between 12am-6am, and then a couple of 14p hours between 9:30am-11:30am and 10-12pm. Then 24p the rest of the time. Going smooth and charging the iPace at £5ish per charge.


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    It's official now: our next company car has to be a full EV. I'm on the fence about 'Do I like that or not?' But there's no other choice.

    The lease company offers a list of 165 models / 910 specs and trim levels will keep me busy for a while. From Dacia to Porsche. Sadly, my beloved Honda only has one EV in the list. Exactly the one that's plain ugly... About ugly... wow some brands have thrown their 'good taste' out of the window. Especially when it comes to interiors. E.g. (among many), the new Mini with its round infotainment screen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    It's official now: our next company car has to be a full EV. I'm on the fence about 'Do I like that or not?' But there's no other choice.

    The lease company offers a list of 165 models / 910 specs and trim levels will keep me busy for a while. From Dacia to Porsche. Sadly, my beloved Honda only has one EV in the list. Exactly the one that's plain ugly... About ugly... wow some brands have thrown their 'good taste' out of the window. Especially when it comes to interiors. E.g. (among many), the new Mini with its round infotainment screen!
    Yes, Honda’s current EV offering isn’t the best, the Honda-e now discontinued but I hope they come back with something smaller and lighter.

    The new Mini round infotainment screen apes the original Issigonis designed mini with the big central speedo.

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    I thought the Honda E was great looking small car , pity on the range

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooks View Post
    Yes, Honda’s current EV offering isn’t the best, the Honda-e now discontinued but I hope they come back with something smaller and lighter.

    The new Mini round infotainment screen apes the original Issigonis designed mini with the big central speedo.
    The dash of the previous Mini models was not so ostentatious as the current one. I could have lived with that. But this one... The Honda-e made me smile from the word 'go'. I loved it. My first Civic was a 1978 car. The dash of that Civic is echoed in the Honda-e. Really nice. Indeed the range is so disappointing.

    My wife gave me a list (summed up) what she doesn't want to drive: Mercedes, Audi, VW. And what she wants: BMW. And as an Alfisti (Alfista?) she has high hopes for a well-designed EV Alfa Romeo.

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    My EV was in for a warranty issue and I was given a very nice M340i for a few days. It was a weapon, but I could not wait to get back into my EV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevieb View Post
    Had not looked at them but seems to tick a lot of boxes. The 80 with 82kwh battery on 2022 falls right in the price range. What are the drawbacks with them disregarding the slow speed figures? I am still new to the charging side but do they not do fast charging? What battery warranty do Skoda give?
    My EV - max charging speed of 150kW, broadly the same as the Skoda - has a (summer) range of 350 miles and I only use it for commuting and leisure, so it's (almost) always charged at home.

    I did a long trip to the North East over New Year - 1500 miles in 5 days - which necessitated using public chargers for all of that time. Once I'd got my eye in as to where best to charge (for example, Ionity have chargers in convenient locations away from motorway services) one thing that struck me was that no-one was offering speeds over 100kW in reality, though 150+ was often advertised. Often it was a real speed of 80-90kW.

    That said, this was never an inconvenience. I had a couple of chargers not working (a bit frustrating) but I'd say well over 90% of the chargers I saw were operating. And it usually took it was a matter of 20 minutes to add 100-150 miles of range; with a ICE car I'd be stopping every two hours for a break anyway for perhaps ten minutes, maybe a little more, so the reality is that I added perhaps 20 minutes in total to my longest leg (350 miles from Rothbury to home).

    Overall, the charging speed really isn't a limitation in the real world, especially if (like me) you're doing 90% or more of your journeys using home-charge. Re battery life, my other EV (a Nissan Leaf) is still at over 90% capacity after 60k miles and 8 years. Given that this was one of the earliest designs of EV to hit the UK market in any numbers and has a small battery that's constantly being charged, plus the fact that technology's moved on very fast, I'd say that the likelihood of a modern battery wearing our in under 200k miles is pretty much nil. There are any number of six-figure Teslas out there with very healthy batteries, that's for sure - I saw a 10 year old Model S with 150k miles which had a battery health of 89%, which I think is reasonable. The latest cars degrade even less.

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    That sounds encouraging. If they could just get the weight of the cars down I’d be more tempted.

    We don’t have a drive so can’t charge at home, which makes owning an EV impractical so far. I’d always assumed you can’t trail a cable across a pavement.

    I’ve seen that there are some solutions that claim to make this possible. Has anyone tried them? There is a cable protector from Edion, which is a flexible housing that reduces the trip hazard. There are various gully type solutions that provide a small trench across the pavement with a removable cover so you can lay your cable in it when you are using it. Your local council has to agree to you putting a trench in the pavement of course.

    Anyone using anything like this?

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    I'm going deeper down that rabbit hole every day. There was an 'ukase' from my wife: "You can look everywhere, do a testdrive in every car. But in the end, it has to be a BMW!"(...) There was a 'sub-ukase' as well: "Your dog is not a passenger in that car. A sedan will do nicely!"

    That limited the search. I called the dealer for an appointment and yesterday I did a test drive in an i4. I drove the '40' version. Let's say I'm impressed. Still, a test drive in a Model 3 is in the pipeline. You can't go hunting for an EV without test-driving a Tesla I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post
    That sounds encouraging. If they could just get the weight of the cars down I’d be more tempted.

    We don’t have a drive so can’t charge at home, which makes owning an EV impractical so far. I’d always assumed you can’t trail a cable across a pavement.

    I’ve seen that there are some solutions that claim to make this possible. Has anyone tried them? There is a cable protector from Edion, which is a flexible housing that reduces the trip hazard. There are various gully type solutions that provide a small trench across the pavement with a removable cover so you can lay your cable in it when you are using it. Your local council has to agree to you putting a trench in the pavement of course.

    Anyone using anything like this?
    Was there not someone here did exactly this...cable across the pavement and protected it with those covers...notaglove maybe....apologies if I´m mis recalling...

    I think they´re using nanotech (hehe like in those expensive coats hereabouts, or perhaps not) and filling the cathodes with air not lithium to get the weight of the batteries down fwiw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Was there not someone here did exactly this...cable across the pavement and protected it with those covers...notaglove maybe....apologies if I´m mis recalling...
    Thanks, I just did a search and found noTAGlove’s mention of the cable cover, seems to work. I’m interested in other experiences as well. Any grief from the local council?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post
    Thanks, I just did a search and found noTAGlove’s mention of the cable cover, seems to work. I’m interested in other experiences as well. Any grief from the local council?
    Welcome. Was wondering about the Council´s attitude myself...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    You can't go hunting for an EV without test-driving a Tesla I guess.
    You definitely can, wouldn’t touch the brand!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougair View Post
    You definitely can, wouldn’t touch the brand!
    Indubitably.

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    Would you need public liability insurance or something similiar, if you're running something across a public right of way? Some people can trip over anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    Would you need public liability insurance or something similiar, if you're running something across a public right of way? Some people can trip over anything...
    I’m not sure. Obviously you can’t just leave a loose cable on the pavement. However I have read that:

    Under Section 162 of The Highways Act 1980, it is forbidden to place rope or wires on a public highway unless one has taken all the necessary steps to mitigate danger and/or injury.

    And that the rubber/plastic cable protectors:

    ‘usually don’t require council permission to install and comply with the aforementioned Highways Act 1980, because they are clearly marked by streaks of bright yellow. Their typically trapezoidal design also makes them much less of a trip hazard.’

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    The dickhead that lives across the road from me has a Renault Zoe that they charge on a long extension over the pavement covered with one of those yellow and black trapezoidal covers.

    Our road has a lot of foot traffic and I see folk messing with it constantly..I wouldn't be considering an EV without a drive and reliable home charging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
    Our road has a lot of foot traffic and I see folk messing with it constantly..I wouldn't be considering an EV without a drive and reliable home charging.

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    If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of messing with it?

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    People kicking it, pulling the cable out etc. Just generally messing with it. I saw one person lift it and throw it in a hedge.

    The reason we have high footfall on our road is because there's a shop at the end of the road so you get the same folk walking over it every day. It's like that rubber trunking you see on temporary roadworks traffic lights. I think it annoys people because obviously it's not temporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
    The dickhead that lives across the road from me has a Renault Zoe that they charge on a long extension over the pavement covered with one of those yellow and black trapezoidal covers.

    Our road has a lot of foot traffic and I see folk messing with it constantly..I wouldn't be considering an EV without a drive and reliable home charging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
    People kicking it, pulling the cable out etc. Just generally messing with it. I saw one person lift it and throw it in a hedge.

    OK thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
    People kicking it, pulling the cable out etc. Just generally messing with it. I saw one person lift it and throw it in a hedge.

    The reason we have high footfall on our road is because there's a shop at the end of the road so you get the same folk walking over it every day. It's like that rubber trunking you see on temporary roadworks traffic lights. I think it annoys people because obviously it's not temporary.

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    I accept that must happen in some areas, but my own experience in my street that there are a number of EV users who don't have a driveway and use these cable/pavement protectors. None of them (that I've spoken to) say they've had a problem. They all seem to have got for roughly the same sort of device which is pretty low-profile with gentle ramping up/down to a max per perhaps 30mm in height so it's dead easy to roll a pram/buggy over and a sensible etiquette seems to have developed so generally people are only charging overnight when there's very little in the way of foot traffic. If you have a proper 7kW charger (i.e. not just running the granny charger from a 13A socket) then you're generally only charging 1-2 times a week to top the battery up.

    It's not ideal, but as a stop-gap solution until someone thinks of something better it seems to work. Might get a bit annoying if every house had a cable protector running across the pavement, mind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowflow View Post
    People kicking it, pulling the cable out etc. Just generally messing with it. I saw one person lift it and throw it in a hedge.

    The reason we have high footfall on our road is because there's a shop at the end of the road so you get the same folk walking over it every day. It's like that rubber trunking you see on temporary roadworks traffic lights. I think it annoys people because obviously it's not temporary.

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    You can’t pull the cable out.

    It’s locked until the car is opened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    Would you need public liability insurance or something similiar, if you're running something across a public right of way? Some people can trip over anything...
    Especially when compensation is a possibility.......
    Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    You can’t pull the cable out.

    It’s locked until the car is opened.


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    That depends on the car, not all can be locked in place.

    There’s also the supply side to consider; if he’s using a three pin socket there’s nothing to prevent that from being unplugged.

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    FWIW we do about 5000 miles a year between us so we’l probably only need to charge once a month.

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    My eldest son recently took delivery of a IONIQ ,very nice car in my mind.He used to spend around £160.00 a month in petrol ,this car is costing £50.00 a month for the same mileage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    You can’t pull the cable out.

    It’s locked until the car is opened.


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    I meant pulling the cable out of the trunking. Not the car. Counter intuitive as it just becomes more of a hazard.

    His is plugged in all the time as well as I suspect it's a granny charger and being Ng an older Zoe the range won't be much.

    Theres probably also the fact the guy is an absolute flesh wand at play here. It's a small town and he's rubbed a lot of folk up the wrong way.

    We've got a 2yo Leaf which we charge around twice a week. Sits in the drive with a 7kwh charger at the back of the house. My wife loves the convenience and cheap running costs. I like a simple life so if I had to run cables to the street or use the often expensive public charging I just wouldn't have one.

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    I must admit if I didn’t have a drive and easy access to my own charger I wouldn’t have an EV yet. I lived in London for years, back when every car stereo and every VW badge was being nicked, and every car aerial bent! - just because the plug is locked in doesn’t mean some idiot won’t try and pry it out! And I accept this might be an unreasonable comment for some, but wires laid across a pavement even in a bright yellow housing would have really irritated me back when I pushed my kids in buggies or if I was an elderly person using a frame or a walking stick. It’s a messy solution and if someone trips over it, or pretends to, I suspect you’d wish you’d never bothered!


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    I hope our council will approve something like this:


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    Not sure if this is true but I have heard a few times recently that insurance companies are asking if house holders intend to keep an electric car in attached garage when getting house insurance quotes

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Not sure if this is true
    to be honest it sounds like a lot of the EV FUD that gets circulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post
    I hope our council will approve something like this:

    Nobody has a flat pavement outside their house like that running into the roadside kerb.

    Service and cable companies digging it up and re-tarmacing has wrecked ours.

    Looks great in a photo, but that’s about it.

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    Electric cars-got to be a viable option now?

    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Not sure if this is true but I have heard a few times recently that insurance companies are asking if house holders intend to keep an electric car in attached garage when getting house insurance quotes
    I’ve also heard that parking your car in your garage doesn’t reduce insurance premiums by much, because if your car catches fire whilst parked in there (which is staatistically far more likely for a car fuel of flammable fuel than an EV) and burns your house down it’s your car insurer that foots the bill not your house insurance. No idea if that’s true but sounds almost feasible. I think if you state your house has a garage to your house insurer they expect you to park a car in there. Sounds like more boring anti EV nonsense that doesn’t actually ever happen imho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post
    Thanks, I just did a search and found noTAGlove’s mention of the cable cover, seems to work. I’m interested in other experiences as well. Any grief from the local council?
    Depends on where you live and the local authority’s policy, check out companies like Kerbocharge and whether they’re approved in your location.

    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    I'm going deeper down that rabbit hole every day. There was an 'ukase' from my wife: "You can look everywhere, do a testdrive in every car. But in the end, it has to be a BMW!"(...) There was a 'sub-ukase' as well: "Your dog is not a passenger in that car. A sedan will do nicely!"

    That limited the search. I called the dealer for an appointment and yesterday I did a test drive in an i4. I drove the '40' version. Let's say I'm impressed. Still, a test drive in a Model 3 is in the pipeline. You can't go hunting for an EV without test-driving a Tesla I guess.
    In terms of tech and over the air updates there’s no car better than Tesla on the market. Clearly a Taycan is a better built car and handles better but all depends on what you’re after from a daily driver.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    I’ve also heard that parking your car in your garage doesn’t reduce insurance premiums by much, because if your car catches fire whilst parked in there (which is staatistically far more likely for a car fuel of flammable fuel than an EV) and burns your house down it’s your car insurer that foots the bill not your house insurance. No idea if that’s true but sounds almost feasible. I think if you state your house has a garage to your house insurer they expect you to park a car in there. Sounds like more boring anti EV nonsense that doesn’t actually ever happen imho.
    Generally insurance is more expensive to park your car in a garage than not (outside of London) as statistically quite a few people physically drive into their garage damaging their cars. Anything to do with EVs and fires is purely Facebook rumour mongering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfat33 View Post
    Thanks, I just did a search and found noTAGlove’s mention of the cable cover, seems to work. I’m interested in other experiences as well. Any grief from the local council?
    I have been using a cable cover for 18 months across the pavement. No issues whatsoever and not a single complaint, apart from the bloke in the wheelchair who was stuck for a few hours.

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