Reply With QuoteRidiculous whataboutism knows no balance.Originally Posted by Tooks
Yes it is.
Ridiculous whataboutism knows no balance.
Fine you win, must remember to never post anything negative about EV’s on here, must agree they are the way forward, they will be the saviour of our planet…
Thank you, guess the vegan leather isn’t the pain of cow based then.
Wiley seems to have some heat multiplier with his car, damn.
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I think only ‘one fire’ on this ship may render it scrap, as for its cargo? Seems it is not the first car carrier to burn out but as for the cause in other cases I don’t know.
For “balance”, or whatever phrase folks pick to hide their bias behind;
Petrol / Diesel 20 times more likely to catch fire than an EV according to MSB - https://thedriven.io/2023/05/16/petr...fire-than-evs/
Let’s be realistic; petrol, diesel or EV, if you are shipping anything at volume, mistakes will occurs and accidents will happen at some point. Regardless, any loss of life is sad and absolutely regrettable.
Hopefully the incident will result in better safety measures where possible.
For balance, are those figures for cars being used?
You’ll have to pull your own conclusion.
Edit- the Swedish article states 23 electric “passenger cars”.
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I conclude that your report is irrelevant for cars being transported and leave the EV fans to pull each other.
Actually, the first link isn’t. It’s some journalists doing some actual journalism.
Reuters have amended their report to state the cause is at the moment unknown, which seems accurate.
The dive boat story is to illustrate the press love a ‘man bites dog’ story, and nothing brings the clicks in like a negative EV story.
thats a reach,
the conclusion was (based on an unconfirmed report remember) that should we consider banning the carrying of EV's on ships,
if thats rational in your eyes i cant help you.
that assertion is no more ridiculous than the one that started this debate,
you'll have to try a bit harder.
Of course it is.
I do enjoy these electric car threads, please keep it up.
Vegan leather, genius, haha.
Lol, bet a few salesmaen have had people laugh in their faces when they spout that porker!
And couldn't crude oil be labelled 'organic'?
And coal?
Well, one every 2 1/2 years.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/indust...-on-big-ships/
Yes coal too, and peat.
Because vegan leather is an EV thing isn't it...I do enjoy these electric car threads, please keep it up.
Vegan leather, genius, haha.
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You are a rare wit
Just out of interest as we dont own own an EV, but where Mrs B4W works they have had free charging for for employees for over a year now but as of August they are starting to charge, the rate is going to be 32p KWH.
Is this cheap compared to the alternatives away from home charging?
Cheers,
Ben
..... for I have become the Jedi of flippers
" an extravagance is anything you buy that is of no earthly use to your wife "
It´s really a marketing thing primarily, though for my money there´s a bit more marketing around EV´s I find on the whole...how else to explain Tesla prices especially, though followers have all jumped on the band wagon, electric of course...Though Dacia´s Spring, might just be a move in the right direction.
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I think you'll find that Dr Martens and many other companies have been using this descriptive for years.
Interesting. I´ve never owned a pair, isn´t the quality generally held to have gone down hill? Has there been possibly a shift of focus to marketing- branding rather than retaining quality , craftsmanship...just guessing but I imagine the prices haven´t come down.
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i dont own a tesla but id consider the m3 and my pretty well priced, do you not?
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as have mercedes pre their ev's
i was making the point its not an EV thing.
It's not bad. Pretty much the same as what you would pay at home, unless you are on a specific EV tariff.
For reference, our car has a usable 83kWh battery, at that rate it would cost £26.56 to fill up from 0 to 100%, which would give me 270 (real world) miles.
[QUOTE=cyrusir;6251067]i dont own a tesla but id consider the m3 and my pretty well priced, do you not?
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If you´ll please clarify for me, not really into cars though do perforce own one, what you think is well priced, I´m happy to opine.
Thanks for the reply, and the extra info regards costs to charge your car was a welcome addition.
Cheers,
Ben
..... for I have become the Jedi of flippers
" an extravagance is anything you buy that is of no earthly use to your wife "
[QUOTE=Passenger;6251080]i dont own a tesla but id consider the m3 and my pretty well priced, do you not?
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If you´ll please clarify for me, not really into cars though do perforce own one, what you think is well priced, I´m happy to opine.
sorry not sure what the qn is, im making the assertion that compared to similar ICE models with spec and performace the tesla Model 3 and Model Y appear reasonable value, certainly here in Ireland in any case.
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I can’t put it into words, it’s just a ‘feeling’, I can only explain in that to me, your question is a bit like asking me (or anyone) why I (or they) prefer a manual wind or an automatic watch over a quartz even though they’ve worn both?
(As in I can’t explain that either?)
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I think it is about being sensible towards the convenience of others. This thing was making a right racket when the owner parked it outside the flats a few days ago (he doesn't live here he is a visitor) - to the extent he's no longer allowed back after 9pm or before 9am as a visitor!
Note the Genesis EV parked in front of it as a nice juxtaposition outlining the old world and the new one!
Sounds like your housing association or whatever it is are a proper bunch of twunts. Unless he was sitting there revving in like a chav it can’t have been too long an inconvenience. I’d rather hear that than an old diesel manoeuvre.
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to warm a classic engine correctly, he/ she could of been there for sometime getting it up to temperature! longer than what you would think.
If it’s a genuinely road legal volume your housing association are twats.
One of the many reasons I couldn’t live within the confines of one. Bunch of committee Karens.
Road legal noise levels don’t apply to older, pre legislation cars.
That could be louder than an F1 car and still be legal. I bet it makes a lovely sound too.
[QUOTE=Mj2k;6252135]Sounds like your housing association or whatever it is are a proper bunch of twunts. Unless he was sitting there revving in like a chav it can’t have been too long an inconvenience. I’d rather hear that than an old diesel manoeuvre.
I thought that too.
Miserable pricks
He was revving the t*ts off it for a good 5 minutes - some fellow members here (on THAT Whatsapp group) did a licence plate check and it turns out that beneath the fancy panel work its a 2001 BMW Z3 and not a multi million pound vintage Ferrari!
You probably ain't got the salary mate either 😂😂😂😂😂
I’ll have you know I’m on six figures not starting with a one. Just a shame it’s Turkish Lira and not GBP!
Now that is utterly brilliant. What a spanner.
Well it looks a lot nicer than a Z3!
I'm considering the possibility of going electric - the initial depreciation looks to make a reasonable buy for some models at the 2/3 year stage. A friend suggested I consider a Jaguar iPace. As the batteries have a 7 year warranty is it likely to see them take another hit depreciation wise at this time or still too early to say
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I’ve been looking at second hand over the last week or so; there certainly seem to be some bargains out there at the moment.
Partially inspired by this thread - I've just gone over to the dark side and bought a three year old Tesla Model 3 Performance.
Almost halved in value since new; and has full warranty for another year and another 5 years on battery and power train.
The economy is as bonkers as the performance when using a cheap overnight tariff.
Impressed is an understatement.
Steep learning curve for a luddite like me; but wow.
Might be the honeymoon period but at the moment but cant imagine going back.
Look at Tesla Model S or X - they have been around a long time now and there is a risk/cost as the car warranty and then the battery warranty expires. That said there are few horror stories and most of the batteries aren't suffering terribly so I think the penalty for old battery will decrease as more people have a positive EV experience - just a mileage is not the killer to a used car that it used to be.
Prices will be going up when the insurance industry work out the risk of shipping EVs.
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publ...-flames/287809
I guess after the event when everything is a burnt mass its very difficult to pin point the cause but I wonder how many of these fires are simply caused by an electric car just spontaneously bursting in to flames? Surely there must be safety regs regarding transported cars like minimum fuel levels and batteries disconnected. A lot of vehicles now have configurable transport modes where only very basic systems will run.
Edit….https://gcaptain.com/a-brief-look-ba...carrier-fires/
It seems a lot of these fires are just caused by electrical issues in the wiring systems which isn't specific to just electric cars
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Are any such precautions taken on passenger car ferry crossings? Seems to be a disaster in the making.
Pretty good point, never really considered it. Not that its a huge distance but the only thing I remember about the Isle of Wight was that you couldn't stay inside the car and had to lock and remove keys. You could return as it was docking but weren't supposed to start the engine until starting to move.
Seems to me that shipping and ferry companies, amongst others, do need to keep up to date with risk assessments and response procedures, not least because it seems that any car is a potential fire risk.
Hyundai fire risk warning as 91,000 vehicles recalled https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66402202
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