Reply With QuoteGreat…let’s wait for all the w**k**s to start panic buying before the price increase.Originally Posted by joe narvey
I’ll just leave this here ..
Petrol price rise warning after Opec oil output cut https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63149044
Great…let’s wait for all the w**k**s to start panic buying before the price increase.
Thanks guys. The Simpson looks really good but untethered unfortunately. Shame as I'm put off the Anderson due to the size and that would have been perfect.
We have a tiny driveway and a 1m cable would probably do it but I definitely want a tethered and no earthing rod.
I think it'll be an Anderson or Hyperbolt but hopefully you can turn off/down the neon lights!
You can pre order a tethered version in a couple of weeks, by the looks of it.
https://simpson-partners.com/news/ho...ed-ev-charger/
Amazing, thank you. Will wait a few weeks before ordering one so I can see the S&P offering.
This is an interest take on the EV debate https://youtu.be/tH8ll5VboC8
I fall into I want one for a change and to try. Fuel and eco reasons don’t come into it
I’ve just had a quick peek at the MG EV4; it’s a lot of car for the money.
I think they’re going to be quite popular.
I have one on order, due in the next 6 or so weeks allegedly. It's an opportunity to dip my toe into EV ownership at a (to me, anyway) justifiable price point. I've test driven one, and there are obviously some areas that aren't exactly top notch, but for the price I was quite surprised at the level of tech and how well it drove.
Somebody posted it a week or so ago, and whilst it’s a slickly presented video, I’m not sure it’s saying anything new, but perhaps it is new to his fan base?
The video comments say a lot, certainly seem to be confirming the bias of those commenting?
The criticism made of EVs (expensive to buy and run, more polluting than you think, high performance, don’t solve congestion, wide range of efficiency etc) are all criticisms that can be levelled at a car powered by anything. I’m not sure why EVs have to solve every problem to be useful and accepted.
Again, ICE vehicles aren’t all going to be scrapped come 2030/2035, it’s going to be a long transition and EVs are going to get even better and cheaper over the next 10-20 years, so that and an improved charging infrastructure will answer the motoring needs of most people I think.
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Think he's just using the platform as a sound board tbh. I see on the info post about the video he states that people are being forced down the EV route. Really? We aren’t currently being forced in to anything, ICE vehicles are still being made and its not like petrol and diesel will simply disappear. When you consider there has been, for most of motoring history anyway, little alternative to petrol and diesel i see no reason why an argument about being forced down the EV route is even made.
My ionic 5 was delivered this morning. So far I’ve only done the 17 mile trip to work but already I love it. The regen braking is seamless and works so well. 3 years with this single motor ultimate and then either a 6 or another 5 with twin motors and pan roof I think.
I’ve been a petrol head for 32 years and owned over 130 cars of all shapes, sizes, power and fuels but this thing has me totally converted to EV
Will post licks when time allows but to my eye it’s a lovely bit of design. And very well built
Tbh it was my favourite out the lot but the wife hated it, glad you’re enjoying it.
I’m with you on that but my wife also feels the same about them as yours does.
I asked about delivery on a new one and was quoted November 2023!
It came 2nd in our final two! It was a very tough call though......just love the design. Still patiently awaiting the arrival of our EV6.
love the ionic 5, gives me mk2 golf / lancia integrale on steroids vibes
Thanks for all the comments guys and these days I don’t have a wife’s opinion to consider!
Totally agree with the comment regarding comparison to a Lancia Delta Integrale from certain angles, it’s that mix of retro and Uber modern that appealed to me. I’ve had so many looks from other road users already but that might be as you see very few about
I’m currently looking our next family car and - having read various reviews and thought long and hard - I’m going to buy another ICE car and look at an EV in 3 years time. I’m not able to afford a Tesla or similar, everything in my price range - around £30k - seems to be a bit of a compromise. Poor range, 130 miles on a cold winters day, maybe a bit small, doesn’t drive very well, some are just plain ugly - and most are a big wait for delivery whatever you choose. I also enjoy driving, have always chosen a manual gearbox - I’ve had one automatic my wife and I both didn’t really enjoy - and the seeming lack of involvement and faffing about with different modes doesn’t appeal. Maybe I’m missing the point but I’m convinced there will be a far better, more convincing choice in 3 years time. I’ve looked at the e2008, Mokka, Leaf, EC4, all the VW’s are pretty much unavailable. Doesn’t help that I’m big and tall tbh either. Doesn’t help that North Norfolk where we live has great country roads and hardly any chargers compared to many places. We have a drive so a charger is t a problem but at the moment it really does feel like a compromise - the decent tech still seems to be at the luxury end sadly.
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Before you give up, have a look at the MG range. The MG4, MG5 and ZSEV are all decent cars around your budget and with good range/large batteries.
Define 'decent tech'.
Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH
My wife loves her i3 - although done less than 3,000 miles in a year
but I'm trying to persuade her to change it for a new Polo GTi
These are great cars. I rented one before I got my Tesla and the i3 is like a Tardis - it's pretty big inside and very comfy to sit in.My wife loves her i3 - although done less than 3,000 miles in a year
but I'm trying to persuade her to change it for a new Polo GTi
Lots of the reviews I’ve seen cite quirky touch buttons, software issues and slow touchscreens and user interfaces. The cars seem a bit gadgety for the sake of it - not the EV gadgetry necessarily, but they seem to stick lots of tech that I wouldn’t normally specify into EV’s as standard. These same issues don’t seem to be mentioned in ICE reviews - I prefer a car with buttons I can adjust when driving, not haptic pads or sliders. Just feels like it’s not quite there yet at my budget end. A quoted 200 miles range that is apparently a real world 130 doesn’t help either - I know most journeys are short etc but I really don’t want to faff about when currently I fill the tank once every 2-3 weeks at a garage 5 minutes drive from home and it takes about 10 minutes tops!
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They look like a £10k car though - seen a few on the road and always thought ‘what’s that ugly car - oh, it’s an MG’ - daft I know but I just find the designs uninspiring.
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As I said earlier, check out the MGs, they have more normal controls than, say, a Tesla. To be fair the Mercs and Audis have similar interiors to their ICE models too.
The range is also generally above 200 miles in all weathers and a quoted 200 mile range doesn’t equate to a real world 130 miles since the uptake of the WLTP system of measuring range.
Finally, if you are filling up every two to three weeks, you are unlikely to ever have to think about range if you leave the car charging at home on the drive. It’s likely to be at 100% every morning.
Edit : just seen your response. The MG4 and facelifted MG5 do look a lot better than the ZS and previous 5.
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I wouldn't buy an "MG" on principle. Any company that buys a "name" and puts it on their own product, doesn't get my vote. Just my opinion and don't shoot me for it!
https://www.google.com/search?client...&q=who+owns+MG
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Each to their own but you should perhaps include Mini, Skoda, Seat, Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Bentley Vauxhall etc on your list.
The truth is that there are very few names in the motoring works that are true to their roots.
And Triumph motorcycles too. Oh and Norton among others.
Thanks for clarifying. In that case my £30k EV has decent tech. Proper buttons for climate adjustment, cruise control, lights and whatnot, an analogue speedo, and not much tech that I'm not bothered about like self parking. Looks very much like our last auto ICE car inside, and Mrs C would never have driven it otherwise. Not had any software glitches 10k miles in. Not sure about winter yet but getting 200miles comfortably from a quoted 239 range. I charge it twice a week at home or work and it takes less than 30 seconds to plug in which you get used to pretty quickly.
But it sounds as though an EV is not for you, and that's fine.
Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH
This morning I was behind Dacia Jogger taxi. I assume it was electric partly because it had no exhaust I could see and it also took off like a scalded cat at the lights.
The model was a new one on me, similar to the Duster but more squared off. I bet its relatively cheap too.
So long as you don't mind handing your money to the Chinese Communist Party. Mind you Volvo is the same now.
Jogger is Dacia's new SUV/Estate mix. It get's very good reviews, especially for VFM. I think they all come with small petrol engines? (No diesels or hybrid options that I'm aware of)
It’s not ideal but just about everything we buy these days is made in China!
Noticed fuel on the increase this am. Local Morrisons was 1.61 yesterday and 1.71 today. Same rise around other garages
Actually I’m still keen on an EV from an environmental point of view so I’m going to set some time aside to do a few test drives. You can browse as much internet as you like nowadays I guess, nothing beats sitting in a few and having a go. I do struggle to get comfy in a lot of cars due to my height and long legs, but I’ll definitely give it a go
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I’m 6:3 and they vast majority of EVs I’ve driven are all very comfortable. I guess they don’t have to conform to the standard body shape with a tunnel etc for shafts and engine bays which I’m guessing makes the inside more adaptable?
I’m sure you’ll enjoy whatever you drive though as it’s a total new experience
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I just had a quick look at the website and it appears to be petrol only as you say. Exhaust must be tucked away neatly.
Really love our i3S too. I have driven most of the modern EV’s and other than the slightly fidgety ride, still think it is as good as anything else I have driven. Although I did really like the Kia EV6, the Tesla Model 3 Performance was like warp speed in Starwars and I was mightily impressed with the new MG4. I am waiting for the Triumph dual motor MG4 to come out next year and will buy one to replace the i3S all being well.My wife loves her i3 - although done less than 3,000 miles in a year
but I'm trying to persuade her to change it for a new Polo GTi
Very happy with my Cupra Born, an ID3 in a different frock really but also a bit more sporty handling.
On twisty B roads which are abundant where I live it's really good fun, love the way you can set it up for bends using the B mode, and below 60 it is genuinely quite nippy.
I do have a Mk1 MX-5 and '98 Fireblade to fall back to if I need a bit of ICE, but just because you don't change gears and stuff, don't dismiss EVs as not being engaging to drive.
It's Golf sized which is what I wanted but the cabin is very spacious because the nose is so short not having to house an engine.
Sorry for hijacking the thread a little but it is indirectly relevant.
I have been made aware of this petition aiming at making solar panels compulsory on all new builds. I signed it; you may want to, too.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/617573
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Currently a bargaining tool used by LA’s but I agree it should be compulsory.
EV charging points are now basically compulsory most of the time.
Plugged into the 3 pin plug for the first time this morning. Dear dear. Would love to get 3 phase in the house, jealous of those who have it, but first job is to decide on the colour scheme of the charger so we can actually buy one!
You don’t need three phase, you can charge at over three times the speed with a single phase charge point.Plugged into the 3 pin plug for the first time this morning. Dear dear. Would love to get 3 phase in the house, jealous of those who have it, but first job is to decide on the colour scheme of the charger so we can actually buy one!
A few months into Nissan Leaf ownership, and it's been brilliant so far
My wife has a few charge points installed at her workplace, so she drives for free now
Locally in NI, public charge points are also free, if we need topped up at the weekend (that won't last forever of course)
We're getting 3-phase installed in our new build, so will have a double socket 22Kw charge point for the inevitable 2nd electric car
The Leaf is actually quite nice to drive, and has been faultless
I might be confused then. I thought 7kW is the norm for a single phase domestic property?
I know - painful isn't it...bear in mind you will be limited by the incar AC/DC converter which in my car is 16kw so I think even with 3 phase the gain is not huge, but getting off the 3 pin makes the world of difference to running a BEV. I know as was stuck on that for ages as moving house...Plugged into the 3 pin plug for the first time this morning. Dear dear. Would love to get 3 phase in the house, jealous of those who have it, but first job is to decide on the colour scheme of the charger so we can actually buy one!
7kw is the norm from a 32 amp domestic charger but you’ll only get 2kw from a 13 amp, three pin socket.
If not already and depending on current electricity tariff, have a look at Octopus Intelligent for 6 hours + off-peak charging @ 10p per kWh.
Peak is more expensive than current cap but you do get used to load shifting (dishwasher on delayed start etc)…. Guess depends how often you charge to whether worth it.
Thankfully managed to get on at 7.5p / 34p per kWh.
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The standard Tesla charger only charges at 10A (as it should) on a 13A 3 pin.
That charger you’ve got can also charge at up to 32A, you can buy a lead that plugs into the charging unit that has a 32A Commando plug on it. You’ll need an electrician to fit you a 32A earthed switched CEEFORM socket to plug it into, to the current regs (so you’ll need a 32A Type B breaker in the consumer unit as well) but it does a good job.
That said, we’ve got rid of our Commando socket and fitted a Wallbox Pulsar Plus EVSE that does schedules, is App connected, has PEN protection so doesn’t need an earth rod, and complies with the forthcoming regs around randomised starts etc.
It’ll probably be a similar price fully installed as a properly installed 32A commando, so worth looking into.
Ah that makes sense now. Thank you.
Thanks Tooks
I'm about to order a charger in the next day or two. I was dead set on the new Simpson tethered unit but there's nowhere for the changing socket to go when not in use so it just has to dangle or go into a hollow/dummy socket which is a bit ugly.
The Tesla charger seems to have hole for the plug to go into when not in use and is only £425 Vs £700 for the cheapest tethered Simpson.
I don't mind spending money as it's on the front of the house but I might just go with the Tesla one to get the job done.
I went for Tesla. I think it looks nice and I think they are now doing colour matches or were at least planning to do so. However it doesn’t look as smart as the Simpson but if the cable is dangling that that will ruin the look somewhat!
The cable is thick but wraps nicely into the holder on the side and plus it has a nice button on the connector which when pressed opens the charger port.
It can do scheduled charging, can be locked to Tesla’s only or open to all, it needs to be connected to WiFi and works well with the Tesla App. However, it does need an Earth rod.
Total cost for me including installation and charger was around £950.
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