Sounds a bit odd that? Many EVs have a pyro fuse that blows if any airbags go off, or a sufficiently hard knock, so presume they’ve replaced that?Originally Posted by JonRA
Doesn’t sound like the repairing VW dealer is an EV specialist, and I’m not sure what a general specialist would know that VW tech back in Germany wouldn’t. The ‘specialist’ could be Vindis VW in Cambridge I suppose, they are a pretty big VW EV dealer and quite competent from what I’ve heard.
I don't know who the firms involved are but I know that VW in Germany has been involved. If I hear any more, I'll update. I don't think the airbags went off but presumably the car has sensors that thought the knock was sufficient to cause the battery shutdown. I think my neighbour hoped it would be a case of a reset and off he would drive!
Get yourself onto an EV tariff, the off-peak rates have pretty much stayed the same; costs me about £6 from 0-100.
https://octopus.energy/go/rates/
Just ordered a 22kw Podpoint charger for the business with a £350 grant from Liz. We opted for the 22kw unit as it would essentially charge both of our cars in one day if needed. Just need the poxy cars now!!
Out of interest, what cars are available that can charge at 22kw, 3 phase? Most seem to be 7kw single phase plus 50kw+ DC.
Tbh im not sure, i checked with the dealer who said our ID 5s will/can charge at that.
I thought that any vehicle with a Type 2 connector could. We've a mixture of 7kW and 22kW chargers at work, anyone can plug into either but charging is at least 2.5 times faster on the higher rated units.
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Unless they’ve changed it, I think the ID models charge at 11kW even on a 3 phase AC EVSE.
Comparatively few EVs can do 22kW AC, as it happens, and it’s the car that decides ultimately.
Still worth having though, as it’s at work and you’ve got the 3 phase supply. Can’t remember what size battery you’re going for, but on the 77kWh version 11kW will charge 20-100% in around 5.5hrs versus 8.5hrs on a 7kW outlet.
No, it depends on the car.
EVs can have 3.5, 7, 11 or 22 kw onboard a/c chsrgers, the 3.5 and 7 being single phase whilst the 11 and 22 being the three phase equivalents.
Ah okay, I was thinking of compatibility. You can plug them all in if they have a Type 2 connector, and they will charge, but will max out at whatever the onboard charger is rated at. Our 7kW chargers with two outlets share that between two vehicles when both are plugged in and similarly with the 22kW units, so EVs with an onboard charger rated above 3.5kW will get a considerably faster rate on the 22kW units when both connections are being used.
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Yes, they’ll each get 7kw as opposed to having to share 7kw between two vehicles.
I think this is an excellent video with regards to what fuel type is actually best for your usage.
Thought provoking and potentially a little contentious but well thought out and presented. Probably the first time a direct to camera chat has engaged me for over 40 minutes.
Gary
ID5 has an 11kWh onboard charger, fully charging in 8 hours on 3 phase or 12hrs on a single phase 7kWh chargers
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So there still be some advantage to having a 22kw one then?
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Yep, as I said earlier, still worth having.
Is it a PodPoint ‘post’ with 2 outlets you’re having installed, or a single?
Cheers, no it’s a single
Sorry missed your previous post to me
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So I’m being really thick here, which isn’t unheard of. If they can only charge at a max of 11kw how does it do 30-50 minutes full charge on a rapid charger say 135kw
Are we talking different connectors here?
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Yes
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric...nectors-speed/
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The rapid chargers are dc not ac and use the two pins below the type 2 socket on your car. The CCS actually uses all the pins but the screen only hits through the bottom two. When you plug in your type 2, the bottom two connectors are unused and you are charging through the ac chargers.
CCS is shirt for “combined charging system” and replaces two individual charge ports as, for example, the Chademo ant type one in the front of my van.
The one on your ID.5 will look like this, a Combined Charging Socket (CCS2), which is pretty much the EU standard now.
The two big pins at the bottom are Direct Current (DC) and are what a Rapid charger uses to just push as much current into your battery as it will allow. In effect, the rapid unit is the charger and bypasses your cars onboard chargers.
The top part of the socket is Alternating Current (AC) that go to your cars onboard chargers where it’s used to charge the battery. That’s where you’ll plug you’re Type 2 charging lead into from the unit you’re having fitted.
Thanks for the replies chaps, ashamed to say that although I’m in the trade I know very little about these connectors, mainly in part I’ve had nothing to do with them and it’s quite new tech for JLR.
I assumed that If my car could take up to 135kw then 22kw wouldn’t be an issue and it would actually charge at 22kw meaning a 3-4 hour charge.
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I think that ideally you need a dual outlet pillar so that you can plug in two vehicles simultaneously, sharing the 22kW.
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I’m confused by our neighbours, they are a little odd at the best of times. They have a new Tesla, but not bothering to install a home charger.
Seems a strange approach for me, but am I missing anything here?
Issue with that is space, where it’s going which is really the only place there is only one parking space
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Perhaps they’re just going to use the Tesla Supercharger network or rely on some other public charging? Do they have charging at work or anything?
If they don’t do big miles, then it shouldn’t be a big issue, Tesla’s can do 200 miles without too much sweat, and some many more.
Loooong cable!
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Both only work from home, their daughter is in a care home in Wales, so some long-ish journeys (Reading area here).
Just seemed strange for me to not have access to one at home, assuming you have space etc which they do.
What would stop them plugging into a neighbours charger, are they password protected? Not saying they would, but just wondering on logistics,
Do they do a lot of shopping at Tesco?
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My brother in law's partner just got a Model 3 as her new company car and I can't work out why they did not pre-install a home charger. It literally arrived yesterday and he spent an hour at a charging point to add 30 miles! He's not even sure if they are signed up to use the Tesla charging network lol. I imagine her work will have charging points as they have mandated EVs only for company cars now but there seems a dearth of super charger stations in the Warwick area where they live. I guess they should get a BP Pulse or similar just in case. What are the best options for me to advise them on the public charging systems?
They can just use the granny charger which plugs into a three pin socket. If the car is sat at home most of the time, it can probably top up enough fir their everyday usage, even though it’s only charging at 2kw.
My daughter hasn’t bothered to have a charger fitted at her home but hasn’t needed to with her MG.
Yes, certainly if you have space for a home charger then it’s a ‘no brainer’ from a cost point of view, even now.
My electricity company, EON, has just reduced my overnight rates despite upping the daytime one. Means I’m at 13.5p per kWh overnight now, which is excellent as our usage is over 80% overnight with two EVs.
Most EV chargers aren’t protected, just open, but you can always turn them off at the consumer unit if worried. Mind you, it would take some brass neck to plug your car in to somebody’s charger for hours on end to steal even a few quids worth of electricity and I’ve never heard of it happening to be honest!
Our neighbours have two EVs as well, they sometimes borrow our charger if they need both cars charging to full, we sort recompense via beer and wine!
. Legend as always, sir!Do they do a lot of shopping at Tesco?
I always forget they can charge like that, it seems so backwards!
Nice to have neighbours like that who look out for each other.
Overnight does make so much sense, friends are using Octopus with their jag EV, amazed at the pace of it, but he isn't the most gifted behind the wheel having driven diesels most of his life, in fact, him having access to that speed scares the hell out of me as more and more people not used to the torque and power get behind the wheel & are just let loose!
Yes, the iPace is a quick car, as a lot of the higher end ones are.
Mind you, my wife has a Tesla M3 LR, 0-60 in around 4s, and 145mph top speed.
After the initial ‘blimey this is quick’ laugh out loud moments, normality returns and I can honestly say we drive that and the ID.4 GTX (a mere 300ps!) as slowly as I think we’ve ever driven anything.
The desire to eke out the most miles per
kWh takes over and whilst it’s nice to have a quick car when you fancy it, the Jekyll and Hyde character of them is one of the attractions for me! Mostly I’m trundling along at the speed limit and no more.
I recently swapped diesel for an EV and no regrets. It’s a different experience and I genuinely think I drive better because of all the toys the car has. Only used 55kwh chargers ( that typically run around. 45kwh). Takes some getting used to monitoring the remaining range and next charge point plus not obsessing about it being 100% full.
Cost wise public charging is 35kwh fast charge to 85% less than 45 min. Milage is around 3miles per KW so approx 11p a mile.
No road tax, con charge or ulez.
BMW iX with lots of toys.
Thanks for that but I am wholly reliant on the public network sadly.
It's a long shot but check to see whether you are near any free BP Pulse chargers (you can filter on the app). We are very fortunate to have 2x 50kWh and 3x 7kWh chargers in the Premier Inn opposite our house which are free with a £7pm BP Pulse membership (received 12 months free with iPace). I charge there a couple of times a week.
Thanks for the tip, I will check that out as there are two BP pulse chargers down the road and two near my work also. Do you mean filter on the BP app or Zap-Map?
BP app
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I see you’re in Oxfordshire; map below gives you an idea of the free ones, blue are 7kWh and there is a 50kWh at the Waitrose in Abingdon…
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https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicle...agen/2022/id-5
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I think there is an advantage to plugging into a 22kw charge points vs 7 - provided your car and your cable can make use of it.
My local Tesco has both and if I plug in with the Tesla (thick) cable to the 22kw charger I charge at about 48 mph range added from memory.
If I plug into the 7kw charger, or the 22kw with a thin (32A) cable then I charge at about 24 mph speed.
For a home/office charger it isn't important, but when parked at Tesco doing the shopping the extra speed is useful.
That’s fantastic, thank you so muchI see you’re in Oxfordshire; map below gives you an idea of the free ones, blue are 7kWh and there is a 50kWh at the Waitrose in Abingdon…
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Can I just check if there is a forum go-to for home charging? Single phase 7kWh so just the same as the basic on street chargers I'm guessing.
Anderson looks like it's around £1.4k which seems pretty wild even though that's the installed price.
EO is minimal but I don't want to be plugging cable in both ends and their tethered option looks really messy.
Tesla is £425 plus install but I dont seem to see many of these installed.
Thanks
I have an eo I charge once a week, taking the cable out of the shed is the pay off for a neat install. Zappi has cable management and the Anderson is the nicest looking but you pay for that.
I asked the same question and ended up going for a PodPoint. I’m lucky I can tuck it around the corner of a front porch, as it’s not the smallest unit on the market, but it’s not a bad size and looks fine. I was very impressed with the order, pre-install survey, and the quality of the install though. Considering they’re one of the cheaper options it was very impressive from start to finish.
Myenergi Zappi here - great features and fantastic customer support if you need it
Hypervolt - great wee thing. You can customize the light and has a pretty tidy cable management system. Comes in white or black (last I checked). Have had mine for a year in November and once it's had a slight issue after a firmware update - got straight through with phone support and they fixed it in a few minutes and we're really friendly. So my experience has been excellent with it (using for a M3LR).
Get up to 11kw I think on mine when I've checked the app whilst charging.
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If I was buying one now I’d be looking at these guys.
https://simpson-partners.com/
British made, used to be something to do with Andersen but have gone off and setup their own outfit.
I think they look quite nice, they seem to have all the protections needed so no earth rod required, and colours are customisable.
No affiliation, just think they look good and seem to be priced pretty reasonably.
11kw on a domestic supply? do you have 3 phase?Hypervolt - great wee thing. You can customize the light and has a pretty tidy cable management system. Comes in white or black (last I checked). Have had mine for a year in November and once it's had a slight issue after a firmware update - got straight through with phone support and they fixed it in a few minutes and we're really friendly. So my experience has been excellent with it (using for a M3LR).
Get up to 11kw I think on mine when I've checked the app whilst charging.
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I went with the Tesla Unit. Installation cost just under £500. This depends on distance from Electrical box and if you require an Earthing rod. So basically you are looking at around a £1-1.2k for charger and installation.
I went with Tesla because it charges any type 2 but you can lock that if you wish and it looks better than most others. The Anderson is nice as well though.
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