Reply With QuoteAs are most cars, a diesel a6, 5 series or x5 or whatever is no more exciting or engaging (in my experience they are less so ) than the equivalent ev.Originally Posted by Gareth-W
People think a number plate is fun...
As are most cars, a diesel a6, 5 series or x5 or whatever is no more exciting or engaging (in my experience they are less so ) than the equivalent ev.
It’s heartening to see the breadth of your expertise from car sales to advanced chemistry and infrastructure build out
Bravo
You’re welcome.
If you want to discuss more over a pint, let me know!
Last edited by Kippax; 8th November 2023 at 20:35.
I'm with you on this. The manufacturers are currently designing cars for a generation that have grown up with iPads, computerisation of every appliance etc so ICE probably doesn't seem so appealing being "old" and "polluting"
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Not commenting on the merits of ammonia, merely correcting yet another false claim from the EV brigade.
Crack on.
Where would be without the expertise in emerging and unproven technologies from the anti ev brigade.
The ev brigade as you call is have all driven and owned ice cars so the only brigade are the people who only have experience of one side of the debate .
I’ve experienced both sides.
So yet again, you’re incorrect.
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Not sure why you bothered with your initial advice on losses Wes, there's too many on here who would argue with a growing tree...
I'm hoping the prices ring true for next year when my lease deal runs out, I may try a cheap second hand model, certainly would never be in a position to buy new...
There’s no need to take sides, it’s merely a discussion on the merits of EVs. As mentioned above, there’s no need for animosity.
I’d still be interested to know what the £60k car was though Wes?
I guess the youth will be happy with ammonia as a fuel, a by product of combustion is NOx, it will be interesting watching the youth chasing after cars with a pack of balloons!
Last edited by Dave+63; 8th November 2023 at 22:16.
What that EVs aren't viable because of depreciation?
Jesus, we all frequent a watch forum where most of us spaff thousands on watches that are valued 50% less several years later, does that make them any less viable at telling the time? I guess were all wearing £5.00 garage watches?
You seem to think that was aimed at you, it wasn’t, it was a general comment.
Not sure what the yet again is about, I haven’t said anything incorrect just disagreed with some of your hyperbole.
There’s an element of that for sure - but under the right circumstances the exhaust pops and crackles (which isn’t augmented), and the three pot engine thrums in a very pleasing way. I’m not pretending it’s the most cutting edge, powerful car - but it is fun to drive and makes a pleasing sound whilst it goes about it. The sound in the cabin may well be augmented, but it’s certainly not fake,
It is a petrol car after all!
The children of today are more likely to be brainwashed that they don't need a car at all, and that legs or a bicycle will be perfect for getting round their 15 minute city, with everything in easy reach of their 20 square metre studio cell apartment :-)
Possibly, two of my London based nieces have zero intention of learning to drive and going to the trouble and expense of running a car.
That’s what Ubers are for isn’t it!
Legs ?? Kids of today ?? They ALL gave them up for a Chelsea Tractor......years ago 😂😂
True! 😂😂
Lo and behold, just had a deal on a Hyundai Ioniq 5 sent through which is the first time I’ve seen one of these with a 2 year deal and 10,000 miles a year offer for less than £500 a month.
Take another £100 off per month and I’d snap that up next year.
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Last edited by Martylaa; 9th November 2023 at 21:57.
Ha - that ... or parents LOL
I live in London and I'm seriously considering going car free and I LOVE cars. I can (and do) walk or cycle to pretty well any daily destination - shops, doctor, dentist, pubs, restaurants, cinema, sports club, even hospitals all in easy reach. Plus of course public transport is excellent for anywhere slightly further afield but still in London. There are a few requirements that can't be sensibly met by anything but a car, but a car club short hire covers probably 60-70% of those needs. It only leaves maybe a dozen days a year when my own car would be preferable.
And they are spot on. Typically running a car at £5k pa means you could spend £100pw on Ubers, every week and not be worse off.
Not for families, but perfect for singletons and retirees.
Tyre kicker 😂Lo and behold, just had a deal on a Hyundai Ioniq 5 sent through which is the first time I’ve seen one of these with a 2 year deal and 10,000 miles a year offer for less than £500 a month.
Take another £100 off per month and I’d snap that up next year.
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Errr ok..
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So firefighters put out a car fire, do you have a point?
Not really Dave just showing it if that's ok with you ?
Yes, just wondering whether it was to show EVs can catch fire or that firefighters can put them out, which goes against the haters general consensus.
Thanks Dave.
It’s usually better to keep it zipped up.
"Bite my shiny metal ass."
- Bender Bending Rodríguez
Should we post videos of cars on fire here now ?
Seems odd
Some cracking lease deals on the BMW ix3 currently
Sorry, stupid joke. Apologies
The EV market in the Netherlands has collapsed. Totally. Some brands sell 10% of what they sold in last year. The reasons?
* Electric vehicles are getting cheaper and cheaper. Tesla lowered its prices. The Model Y was 65K euros a year ago, now 42K. New cars are cheaper than second hand cars that are in the showroom waiting for a new customer.
* 'Deflation': customers wait. Big chance that the next price cut is around the corner
* Government rules: electric cars are tax extempt at the moment, but no longer in 2025 (1/4 of the regular tax) and from '26, electric cars are taxed for the full 100% That's about 150 euros/month for a Model Y.
* Energy prices are insane here. Our electricity price per kWh is the highest in Europe. All tax.
What is the price per KWH menno?
Will be interesting when the government decides it wants an increase in revenue and moves EVs off from the road fund changes in 2025 to fill their pockets more.
The retrospective application of VED to EVs, even those already registered, is a bit of a pathfinder and opens the door to retrospective VED changes for all cars.
I’ve no doubt that Governments will want more revenue from vehicle ownership and use, I expect they’ll be looking closely at it all.
Depends what kind of government we get next though I guess, and whether they’re serious about reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.
As of August 23, EV sales looked very healthy?
https://insideevs.com/news/687686/ne...es-august2023/
Are you sure it’s not just a return to steady growth rather than the peaks of early adoption? There are many more EVs available from more manufacturers, it’s inevitable that some manufacturers with less favourable offerings might have seen big reductions in what they’re selling.
Seems the Model Y marches on though.
Regards polluting, I think the jury is still out. Manufacturing and power generation aren't non polluting. Plus the iPad generation has increased consumption which in turn increases pollution...
It's a very complex issue and potentially we're creating cleaner air in cities using EV's but moving some of that elsewhere. Moving towards greener energy creation will help but I also think the culture of conspicuous consumption needs to change for everyone
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Our energy consumptions has reduced dramatically over the years, due to, in part the increase of solar generation, batteries for home use, LED bulbs and a whole host of lower energy consumption appliances.
Think it’s a bit unfair to blame the iPad generation when let’s face it - it’s been forced upon them by our generation!
If I was a teenager now I would without doubt have a whole host of gadgets like most of us here probably would and more than likely already do.
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Having just spent a few days in Mumbai, the world is not even scratching the surface.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
The nature of inconspicuous consumption needs to change as well, eg even an old car is literally consuming large amounts of fuel the burning of which quickly surpasses the carbon footprint of any alternative fuel car.
The bottom line is that the planet can’t support the number of people on it, especially the way that a relatively small proportion of it (that’s you and me and the millions like us) consume its resources.
Aye if we won't take care of mother nature she'll eventually take care of us.
Last edited by Passenger; 14th November 2023 at 12:50.
Very true, overpopulation and increasing aspirations are the root causes of global warming. Moving towards 'greener' solutions will slow the process but can`t stop it.
Will I give up my 13 yr old Jag Diesel and buy an electric car?...........NO!
Do I really care about the CO2 problems and global warming?......Not really, other than making a token gesture my efforts will amount to zero so I`ll just crack on like I`ve done for the past 65 years. When the predicted adverse changes to climate start to have a significant effect I`ll probably have departed this earth so it won't concern me. I prefer to be realistic rather than philosophical.
Frankly I`m more concerned about one-use plastic and the amount of waste we tip to landfill, that's something we could tackle but are reluctant (as a country) to do so. Look at all the plastic crappy toys bought for kids, all made in China and all destined for a hole in the ground somewhere near YOU.
Local air quality is something we can address, not to be confused with the CO2 emissions issues, but draconian measures such as ULEZ isn`t the way to do it. Natural wastage of older cars would get us there with no pain involved for the minority (like me) who continue to own and run an older vehicle. Most of the cars and vans that do big mileage are newer ones , the problem will solve itself, but this fact seems to get overlooked.
Is it me that's being cynical, or is there an element of virtue signalling in electric car ownership?.....surely not! Is the ULEZ thing being used for revenue generation together with providing the start of a road-charging policy?.......never!
Silly cynical old me, best stick to fixing watches.
Last edited by walkerwek1958; 14th November 2023 at 13:00.
I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head with that !! It’s ok looking at global warming and going green from a UK perspective but when you look at the Indian sub continent, China and Africa you see a different vision of the future, I’ve been going to Africa since the early 70s and see what was fertile land become barren as the temperatures rise and what little rain they have disappear.
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The adverse, significant changes are affecting people now it´s just luck of location means that you are not seeing, living with them daily. Just an observation really.
Listening to the weather on the radio during the school run this morning, temp to reach mid 20´d here today...I´m sat in shorts at present up by the pool, it´s 23 c in the shade!...it´s not normal for mid November, not even here in southern Spain. See also Chris´s comment on Mumbai, aa388´s experience of Africa.
Fwiw I think our goose is cooked. No angst mind, there´d be no point, our human nature is what it it. Enjoy each day.
Last edited by Passenger; 14th November 2023 at 13:30.
any links please?
I was in Benalmadena the week before last, apart from one wet evening the weather was dry and fine, approx 23° every day and mostly sunny, I was pleasantly surprised because I expected it to be cooler.
I`ll be 66 in January, still enjoying life to the full whilst my health holds up, nothing I do will affect the climate crisis so I don`t worry about it. I`d love to know what the earth will look like in 200 years time, if I`m lucky I`ll find out what it looks like in 20 years time.
I`ll leave the virtue signalling to the beardy-weardy bean eaters, life's like the last 300 metres of a 1500 metre race.......go as hard as you can for as long as you can.
It’s probably a good job that we don’t all feel like this.
People over 65 make up 10% (and growing) of the world's population so I think what you (or rather your cohort) do could make quite a big difference.
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