Premier League 2021-22

[xxnick1975]

United can turn around pretty quickly.

Obviously it will take longer to get back to being consistently in the top 3, but look how quickly Newcastle have improved with the right manager, and CFC with Tuchel after Lamps.

And this time last year Liverpool racked up 6 straight PL homes losses, now look at them.


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[BillyCasper]

United can turn around pretty quickly.

Obviously it will take longer to get back to being consistently in the top 3, but look how quickly Newcastle have improved with the right manager.

And this time last year Liverpool racked up 6 straight PL homes losses, now look at them.


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I might have been convinced that a change in manager could bring about a turnaround if the fundamentals of the squad were right. I don’t think they are. The squad is severely lacking in key areas. A whole raft of players are leaving including ones United could have got decent money for last summer and who have barely been used this campaign. Do they have a recruitment or development plan? They made a couple of marquee signings last summer without rebuilding central defence, central midfield, centre forwards. I can’t see them being a particularly attractive prospect for the best players. Established players appear to have given up.


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[robert75]

United can turn around pretty quickly.

Obviously it will take longer to get back to being consistently in the top 3, but look how quickly Newcastle have improved with the right manager, and CFC with Tuchel after Lamps.

And this time last year Liverpool racked up 6 straight PL homes losses, now look at them.


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Not really a good comparison, the season before they won the league they then played most of the season without half their defence and midfielders playing as makeshift defenders.

United do have some good players but they also have quite a few ageing players and players who just shouldn’t be there. They could have sold Pogba years ago but instead put a 100m transfer fee on him and then wondered why nobody took up the offer.

[xxnick1975]

Yep all true, I just think you can change things pretty quickly.

Didnt Leicester win the league after nearly getting relegated the prior season?

Italy won the Euros, but didn't qualify for the world cup.

Margin are tiny at this level and the right manager at the right time can move thing on. Also see Leeds with Ted Lasso. And Spuds with Conte.

Sure they won't be LFC, City level straight away, but it is possible in a few seasons. By no means guaranteed obviously, but can be done.

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[ryanb741]

Re Saka going to Liverpool to work under Klopp - Klopp is unlikely to be there past another season or 2 , a fair bit of noise around him having promised his family he'll leave when his contract expires in 2024.

[tango]

Yes Klopp will most likely be gone in a couple of seasons as per his word, however that may be long enough for any player signed by Liverpool now to benefit greatly from his management style and experience.

As a side note I see Arsenal fan Lewis Hamilton is part of the Broughton consortium trying to buy Chelsea.

[TaketheCannoli]

Hamilton’s contribution is 0.4% of the purchase price so pretty insignificant in the big scheme of the purchase. Good to see sports stars investing in sport though.

Yes Klopp will most likely be gone in a couple of seasons as per his word, however that may be long enough for any player signed by Liverpool now to benefit greatly from his management style and experience.

As a side note I see Arsenal fan Lewis Hamilton is part of the Broughton consortium trying to buy Chelsea.

[ryanb741]

Shambolic defending AGAIN in an Arsenal match. Cedric looks like he's having a nervous breakdown

[ryanb741]

Good win for Arsenal, keeps the pressure on Spurs. United out of Champs League contention surely.

[mart broad]

Good win for Arsenal, keeps the pressure on Spurs. United out of Champs League contention surely.

Must say i loved the Man U penalty

[magirus]

TOON!

[tango]

Good win for Arsenal, keeps the pressure on Spurs. United out of Champs League contention surely.

Yes its between the two North London clubs now for sure. United are a complete shambles and will probably look back and think they should have appointed Howe instead of Ten Hag when he is sacked in around 18 months.

[ryanb741]

Spurs look incredibly flat. Brentford should have won that and considering what's at stake I was surprised Tottenham were so lifeless. I don't think they had a single shot on target and apart from Kane's overhead kick they didn't really threaten.

[tango]

Yes and so it's in your own hands once again.

[ryanb741]

Yes and so it's in your own hands once again.

And that's a huge worry as well as we look anything but secure.

[tango]

So Pogba is confirmed as out for the season.

Will you be glad to see the back of him or are there many United fans around who still feel he is a great player and that the other players around him and managers playing him incorrectly are to blame?

[demonloop]

So Pogba is confirmed as out for the season.

Will you be glad to see the back of him or are there many United fans around who still feel he is a great player and that the other players around him and managers playing him incorrectly are to blame?

Along with Sanchez, our worst signing ever. Undoubted ability but only shows it one game in ten. I have no doubt he’s behind a lot of the others throwing Jose and Ole under the bus too.

I don’t remember too many United players over the years (apart from Di Maria) being called out from the stands in such a vocal way. In his case and Di Maria’s they deserved everything they got

[tango]

Along with Sanchez, our worst signing ever. Undoubted ability but only shows it one game in ten. I have no doubt he’s behind a lot of the others throwing Jose and Ole under the bus too.

I don’t remember too many United players over the years (apart from Di Maria) being called out from the stands in such a vocal way. In his case and Di Maria’s they deserved everything they got

See that has been my sentiment on Pogba for many years, yet as I am not a United fan, it has always been considered as me being tribal and hating United's best player by all my friends who are United supporters.

What's always surprised me though is that so many United season ticket holder fans have argued so passionately against me that it's not Pogba's fault and instead all those around him.

I just can't get my head around this as for me it is clear for all and sundry to see, if they are being honest and impartial that Pogba is clearly not the player he and others would like to have us believe.

[demonloop]

I’m sorry to say your friends must not watch much football to see he’s the problem

His ego makes him think he can hold off 3 players and escape with the ball. The reality is the opposite and he causes more dangerous counters than I care to remember

Add in his lack of work rate and he’s an absolute liability

Talented lad, but more interested in his IG followers and haircuts than winning trophies, sadly

[thegoat]

I’m sorry to say your friends must not watch much football to see he’s the problem

His ego makes him think he can hold off 3 players and escape with the ball. The reality is the opposite and he causes more dangerous counters than I care to remember

Add in his lack of work rate and he’s an absolute liability

Talented lad, but more interested in his IG followers and haircuts than winning trophies, sadly

With Pogba,most Utd supporters always looked for the ‘ sign X to unlock Pogba s potential ‘
It’s only right that he’s getting called out by the match going fans. He’s been a fraud since he re signed at Old Trafford and won’t be missed.
The fee and wages he’s amassed are an embarrassment to the club .

[demonloop]

^^ 100% agree

[PhilT]

With Pogba,most Utd supporters always looked for the ‘ sign X to unlock Pogba s potential ‘
It’s only right that he’s getting called out by the match going fans. He’s been a fraud since he re signed at Old Trafford and won’t be missed.
The fee and wages he’s amassed are an embarrassment to the club .

He’s amazing in a France shirt though. Wonder if he plays golf…

[tango]

He’s amazing in a France shirt though. Wonder if he plays golf…

And that there is the commonly used argument made by United fans I know who would defend him.

[demonloop]

International football is nowhere near the standard of the Premier League, how could it be? It’s teams of players who only meet up a few time a year, playing for generally lesser managers in systems completely alien to them

It suits Pogba as the pace is much slower and he has time to find those 70 yard balls — which he’s very good at admittedly

[mart broad]

Must say i loved the Man U penalty

Have been out all day and could not watch the CFC - WH game but apparently Jorginho has been watching how take a pony pen dvd.

[ryanb741]

Have been out all day and could not watch the CFC - WH game but apparently Jorginho has been watching how take a pony pen dvd.

To be fair he pranced like a prize pony in the run up to the penalty!

[ryanb741]

Atletico Everton

[tango]

Everton's position real precarious now, very real possibility Frank could be taking them down, maybe Rafa was the better option after all.

[thegoat]

I’m looking forward to Ivan confirming that the Gordon /Matip decision was the most blatant penalty in the history of football .

And why does Spitty Carragher get to commentate on Liverpool ? His (and Tyler) s sycophancy is embarrassing.

[robert75]

Everton's position real precarious now, very real possibility Frank could be taking them down, maybe Rafa was the better option after all.

Did not think it would actually happen but its starting to look like a reality now Everton are going down. Burnley have got a bit of a lift having a new manager the whole spoiling tactics seemed a bit last throw of the dice by Lampard and now thats not worked I dont see what else they have? Next game against Chelsea will be interesting they have to win but I dont see where the winners are in that team and it just seems to me that Lampard has taken the fight out of them. I have no doubt Rafa would have done a better job simply because he is a more experienced manager than Lampard but thats what the fans wanted so.......

Will be interesting to see what team Liverpool send out midweek, they have had some pretty exhausting games for the past few weeks I wonder of Millner and Jones get a run in the first 11? Think Henderson will be a definite start.

[reggie747]

I’m looking forward to Ivan confirming that the Gordon /Matip decision was the most blatant penalty in the history of football .

Best not be holding your breath then man......😂

[thegoat]

Best not be holding your breath then man......

Awwww .
I’ve missed you too 💋

[PhilT]

I didn’t actually want to see Everton relegated this season until I watched that first half. Richarlison was an embarrassment today - maybe he’d been told to play that way but seriously, have a shred of self respect.

Alisson’s Pickford impression at the end got the biggest cheer of the day - hilarious!

[j17ykp]

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And why does Spitty Carragher get to commentate on Liverpool ? His (and Tyler) s sycophancy is embarrassing.

I have to agree with this , yes they are a great team but leave the brown nosing out of it

38mins in at. 0-0 Tyler was rattling on about they need luck so far

[TaketheCannoli]

I can't stand Everton and hope they go down but what were they meant to do today? Their organised, defensive discipline in the first half was excellent but they couldn't keep it going for the whole game. Play expansive football against Liverpool and you get battered.

I don't agree with the play-acting of the ever-annoying Richarlison but I do think they needed to have a Jose-esque set up today.

Atletico Everton

[NigeG]

He’s amazing in a France shirt though. Wonder if he plays golf…

When N’Golo Kante does all the running for him


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[robert75]

I can't stand Everton and hope they go down but what were they meant to do today? Their organised, defensive discipline in the first half was excellent but they couldn't keep it going for the whole game. Play expansive football against Liverpool and you get battered.

I don't agree with the play-acting of the ever-annoying Richarlison but I do think they needed to have a Jose-esque set up today.

They did the same against Man U, every time Man United attacked they just put everyone in the box Man United just did the same thing over and over, try and put a cross into Ronaldo who was on his own in the box surrounded by about 6 or 7 Everton players. Man United's tactics were like watching a blue bottle hitting a window every time when the window next to it is wide open.

Liverpool just had the good sense to change things around after half time.

[ryanb741]

It appears that Gabriel Jesus to Arsenal is a done deal for the summer according to several reports. Interesting. He's a good player and an upgrade on Lacazette but is he at the level we need? I guess we're not a club in the market for the Harry Kane's and Mbappe's of this world but is he the mobile number 9 that Arsenal are crying out for?

[Ivan Drago]

I’m looking forward to Ivan confirming that the Gordon /Matip decision was the most blatant penalty in the history of football .

And why does Spitty Carragher get to commentate on Liverpool ? His (and Tyler) s sycophancy is embarrassing.

It was definitely a pen for me !


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[thegreatdogwood]

Time for parachute payments to go. Too many sides yo-yoing between the prem and championship as they are not good enough for prem but have a huge financial advantage in the championship. They tried in November but most prem clubs vetoed the move. That money is far better spread evenly amongst the lower divisions, not rewarding failure.

Agree with Souey, if Gordon does not take a blatant dive in the first half, the ref probably gives the penalty later on. But what's the point of VAR if that kind of thing doesn't get given?. A bit like Fernandes only getting a yellow for a bad cynical tackle.

[JPCain86]

It was very similar to the Elanga one not given in the Man Utd game.

[NikGixer750]

It appears that Gabriel Jesus to Arsenal is a done deal for the summer according to several reports. Interesting. He's a good player and an upgrade on Lacazette but is he at the level we need? I guess we're not a club in the market for the Harry Kane's and Mbappe's of this world but is he the mobile number 9 that Arsenal are crying out for?

I read this a few days back and feel optimistic that it could work out well. He has scored a decent number for City, he's still young and could fit in well. Did not think it would happen until Pep said he does not care if he stays or leaves, which is a pretty harsh comment. Jesus is out of contract next summer so he could be purchased at a decent price.

[tango]

It appears that Gabriel Jesus to Arsenal is a done deal for the summer according to several reports. Interesting. He's a good player and an upgrade on Lacazette but is he at the level we need? I guess we're not a club in the market for the Harry Kane's and Mbappe's of this world but is he the mobile number 9 that Arsenal are crying out for?

I have to say I don’t think he is what you need. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a decent player but how would he fare in a team, which we all due respect lacks the experience and quality of the team he’’s leaving. He’’s not the leader type player who would take the game by the scruff of the neck and take the whole team along with him.

I think Jesus is a great squad player in any top 4 team but not the striker to rely on for the majority of fixtures in a season.

City fans may disagree as they would have watched him a lot more than what I’ve seen of him.

[sevvy]

I can't stand Everton and hope they go down but what were they meant to do today? Their organised, defensive discipline in the first half was excellent but they couldn't keep it going for the whole game. Play expansive football against Liverpool and you get battered.

I don't agree with the play-acting of the ever-annoying Richarlison but I do think they needed to have a Jose-esque set up today.

They did exactly the same against City in February and it took a dreadful VAR error to help us win. Personally I’m not against 10 men behind the ball and the counter attack where possible. It doesn’t necessarily make for an entertaining game however. With AM though, they have the talent to play a more exiting style of football. It’s the fact they choose not to that is puzzling.

Lampard has undone all the good he earned as Derby manager with his stints at Chelsea and Everton. You can’t blame him for taking such jobs but he’s not ready for PL management yet.

[thegoat]

I read this a few days back and feel optimistic that it could work out well. He has scored a decent number for City, he's still young and could fit in well. Did not think it would happen until Pep said he does not care if he stays or leaves, which is a pretty harsh comment. Jesus is out of contract next summer so he could be purchased at a decent price.

When did Pep say this ?
He’s known for acknowledging that if a player wants to leave, he won’t stand in his way but he’d never say he didn’t care if they leave or stay .
There’s a contract on the table for Jesus but he might think he deserves more playing time . He’s coming to his prime years and may fancy a change although I know he’s one of Peps favourites . He chased him before he arrived at the club and personally rang him to get him over .
I still think it might be Sterling who leaves .

[zelig]

...I still think it might be Sterling who leaves .

I wouldn't lose any tears over that - he's been frustrating to watch recently.

z

[NikGixer750]

When did Pep say this ?
He’s known for acknowledging that if a player wants to leave, he won’t stand in his way but he’d never say he didn’t care if they leave or stay .
There’s a contract on the table for Jesus but he might think he deserves more playing time . He’s coming to his prime years and may fancy a change although I know he’s one of Peps favourites . He chased him before he arrived at the club and personally rang him to get him over .
I still think it might be Sterling who leaves .

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ransfer-gossip

Its in a few of the papers, apparently he said :

“When he has days like today, I am the happiest man in the world! Every player is happy when they play 90 minutes all the time but at the end of the season whether he wants to extend, stay or leave, I don’t know or don’t care"

[Bluemoon7]

It appears that Gabriel Jesus to Arsenal is a done deal for the summer according to several reports. Interesting. He's a good player and an upgrade on Lacazette but is he at the level we need? I guess we're not a club in the market for the Harry Kane's and Mbappe's of this world but is he the mobile number 9 that Arsenal are crying out for?

I would be absolutely gutted if he left us Ryan. That lad has a brilliant goals to games ratio and was a striker when we bought him. I don’t think we have ever played him in his best position and he usually ends up on the wing. In fairness he plays there for Brazil too. Scored some big goals, works as hard as anyone in the team, and chases down from the front. Two of his four goals at the weekend were as a result of him closing down defenders. The lad is a class act…….

[Bluemoon7]

I read this a few days back and feel optimistic that it could work out well. He has scored a decent number for City, he's still young and could fit in well. Did not think it would happen until Pep said he does not care if he stays or leaves, which is a pretty harsh comment. Jesus is out of contract next summer so he could be purchased at a decent price.

When did Pep say that he doesn’t care if he leaves or stays? Not Pep’s style to do that, and he was waxing lyrical after Saturdays Gabby show. I know Juve are after him but he also likes working with Arteta, as most of the city squad did.

[jon8oy]

Would love Jesus at Arsenal, he's a brilliant player and reminds me of Henry in the respect he's at a big team getting played on the wing. We could unleash him through the middle and supply chances, his goals to game ratio shows he is an excellent finisher.

I don't believe those quotes from Pep, the actual interviews after the game I've seen he was full of praise for Gabriel and indicated he wanted him to stay.

I'm sure Arsenal won't be the only club in for him at a price of around £30-40m, let's hope Arteta has/can convince him to be part of our project.

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