Premier League 2021-22

[learningtofly]

Urgent appointment for Bruce at the Saudi Embassy I suspect

They looked very poor, and were flattered by the scoreline. There will clearly be a new man coming in to oversea the January shopping spree, and my money is on Conte.

[thegoat]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just get Shelvey to do it. It's well-within his skillset...

I did an Acca today on the game .
Over 9.5 corners, over 3.5 goals, 3.5 cards , Kane to score and Shelvey to be carded. I was disappointed to see him on the subs bench but I knew he wouldn’t let me down when he came on .
With my six results coming in yesterday, it’s been a profitable weekend .

Newcastle looked shocking today though. I can’t see where the points are coming from before January. They could be in serious trouble and might find it very difficult to entice Mbappe and Haaland in the transfer window .

[mart broad]

They looked very poor, and were flattered by the scoreline. There will clearly be a new man coming in to oversea the January shopping spree, and my money is on Conte.

I think Alderley Edge is where he is looking to live to sort out another club.

[learningtofly]

I think Alderley Edge is where he is looking to live to sort out another club.

Wouldn’t surprise me, Mart.

[mart broad]

Would not like to meet “ cat woman” on a bad day she is frightening.
Just imagine the conversation “Did we get a 7 day money back guarantee?”

[BSB]

I think Alderley Edge is where he is looking to live to sort out another club.

Wouldn’t surprise me, Mart.

It would surprise me as Conte's family didn't want to move to England. Hence him pushing the self-destruct button at Chelsea in his second season and still getting out with a massive pay-off.

[jwg663]

Would not like to meet “ cat woman” on a bad day she is frightening.
Just imagine the conversation “Did we get a 7 day money back guarantee?”

Lovely frock, though a little too reminiscent of a slaughterman's apron...

[learningtofly]

Lovely frock, though a little too reminiscent of a slaughterman's apron...

Very attractive in her younger/modeling days, but the looks that were an asset then have become strangely caricaturish as she's got older.

She's done pretty well for herself, though.

[smokey99]

Being an ex-Sunderland manager he was never going to get off to the greatest start.

Despite the Sunderland connection he’d have been given a fair ride if he showed any sense of being a manager that adds any value to the squad in terms of tactical know how or player advancement.

Apart from that purple patch of 5 games at end of last season which along with other results ended in a freak 12th place we were an awful, awful football team on just about any metric you’d care to choose.

Appreciate didn’t have supportive employers but with so much management experience you’d think he could take Rafas well drilled squad plus £100M+ of expenditure and build on it.

He couldn’t and yet again we were awful for 75% of yesterday. Anyone in his position would have been removed from their post months ago.

The defence are a shambles, fitness levels a joke and whilst Joelinton is not his fault it’s his choice to keep him on for 90 mins when you have a striker on the bench.

The takeover is a completely different story and shouldn’t be linked to the fact that Bruce is way out of his depth in 2021 and has been since since probably 2012.

But then again so are many of the players at this level.


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[ryanb741]

[smokey99]

Not sure what the point you were trying to make but like many Newcastle fans (beyond the lazy tv punditry) we’re conflicted about the current ownership as we should be.

It’s a horrific crime and those involved should be considered dangerous and toxic by other governments and businesses.

But the rank hypocrisy because it’s Newcastle is off the scale.

How many PL clubs, businesses, national institutions (royal family) conveniently forget current and historic connections to the Saudi regime. Red carpets etc etc.

It’s not a reason to accept it but it’s not appropriate to make football fans and in this case NUFC fans the moral arbiters for the worlds evil regimes.


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[Raffe]

Yes.

[Wolfie]

[wotsthecrack]

Why not highlight what was happening in the stand opposite instead of sharing this crass stereotype. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58952280

[Wolfie]

Why not highlight what was happening in the stand opposite instead of sharing this crass stereotype. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58952280

Because I’m particularly crass!

[TaketheCannoli]

Bruce is a Championship manager at best. His tactics are truly awful, don’t belong in the modern game and he never has a Plan B. It can be argued that he’s never had
money to spend or managed at a top club but that’s because he hasn’t earned the right to do that. Our squad is poor but a better coach could get a better tune out of them.

What I can never understand is why limited coaches don’t look at other coaches and think “I’ll do what he does”. Is it arrogance? Is it an unshakable belief that your way is the right way even though you get beat every week?

He has to go this week as time isn’t on our side. There’s no room for any more sentiment. He got his 1000th game and showed just what a terrible coach he is.

I guarantee that his next job won’t be in the EPL.

Steve Bruce will likely be available soon. Replace one legend with another? Mind you, what exactly has Steve Bruce done wrong? He’s kept them in the top flight with little in the way of transfer funds.

[NikGixer750]

Another weak performance from Arsenal, started well for the first 15 mins then Palace dominated the rest of the game. They deserved to win tbh, roll on Friday - I can see Villa beating us aswell!

[wotsthecrack]

Because I’m particularly crass!

Agreed

[mart broad]

Another weak performance from Arsenal, started well for the first 15 mins then Palace dominated the rest of the game. They deserved to win tbh, roll on Friday - I can see Villa beating us aswell!

In truth a match between to mid table teams i really thought Arsenal after that first goal would dominate and then to celebrate the draw like you’ve just won the CL
BTW what Abam what’s his name wearing on his head looks like a dead spider.

[thegoat]

It seems the battle lines are being drawn now.
18 clubs voted to veto Newcastles prospective sponsors being in any way connected with the clubs owners.
No irony there at all .

[Raffe]

It seems the battle lines are being drawn now.
18 clubs voted to veto Newcastles prospective sponsors being in any way connected with the clubs owners.
No irony there at all .

It was Man City that voted against the resolution.

No irony there at all.

[thegoat]

It was Man City that voted against the resolution.

No irony there at all.

Actually , they abstained .

[TaketheCannoli]

They’re trying to prevent what City have done happening again but that’s treating the symptom rather than the cause. Clubs should be able to do business with associated companies and there needs to be governance in place to ensure deals represent fair market value.

That’s my pragmatic side talking. My emotional side says it’s ok for the ‘Big 6’ to be at the trough but not anyone else.

It seems the battle lines are being drawn now.
18 clubs voted to veto Newcastles prospective sponsors being in any way connected with the clubs owners.
No irony there at all .

[TaketheCannoli]

City abstained. Only Newcastle voted against obviously.

It was Man City that voted against the resolution.

No irony there at all.

[Raffe]

City abstained. Only Newcastle voted against obviously.

Yes, sorry read that wrong. They were there only other team not to vote in favour, but that doesn't mean they voted against.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[jwg663]

They’re trying to prevent what City have done happening again but that’s treating the symptom rather than the cause. Clubs should be able to do business with associated companies and there needs to be governance in place to ensure deals represent fair market value...

Didn't the previous owner of NUFC do just that with his relentless use of the club to promote his numerous businesses & vice versa?

[thegoat]

Yes, sorry read that wrong. They were there only other team not to vote in favour, but that doesn't mean they voted against.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

How so ?

[Raffe]

How so ?

What's the point of financial fair play if is that easy to circumvent?

How many millions is a logo on the Newcastle jersey worth to Saudi Aramco? Suppose the addressable market is huge in the surrounding area, right?

[thegoat]

What's the point of financial fair play ?

Agreed .
But without the edit, my point is this . Why should Newcastle b3 hamstrung by a ruling designed to keep the old guard at the top table ?
City have already blown a hole in the FFP fit up and with a bit of nous, Newcastle, Everton, Aston Villa et al will be able to do the same .
You mention the addressable market for Saudi businesses in Newcastle , but why should General Motors matter so much in Manchester ? Never mind this Dream Viewer on their shirts this season ?
You could drive a bus through the arguments on the sponsorship issue by the other clubs when it’d be more prudent of them to just admit that they’re scared of losing their spot at the trough.
Hypocrisy,right ?

[sevvy]

Given the Agnellis own Juventus and sponsor the team through Jeep, a subsidiary of Fiat which they also own I’d think that lawyers for Newcastle would have a fair legal case against EPL.

[Raffe]

No apostrophe. ^^

[TaketheCannoli]

Bruce has gone. Sad for him and his family but he's simply not good enough.

I think Eddie Howe will come in and I think that's why he rejected Celtic.

[jwg663]

Steven Gerrard is sitting in a lay-by on the A1 awaiting a phone call...

...Well, that's what the Scottish media would have you believe!

[seabiscuit]

Bruce has gone. Sad for him and his family but he's simply not good enough.

I think Eddie Howe will come in and I think that's why he rejected Celtic.

He thinks Southampton will have a vacancy that’s got his name on it. He knocked back the Celtic job when it finally dawned on him that Glasgow is a fair distance from the south coast. If the Southampton job becomes available I hope they overlook him, the odious little twerp.

[TaketheCannoli]

I hope they're right, I've got £130 riding on it.

Steven Gerrard is sitting in a lay-by on the A1 awaiting a phone call...

...Well, that's what the Scottish media would have you believe!

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Not a fan then?

He thinks Southampton will have a vacancy that’s got his name on it. He knocked back the Celtic job when it finally dawned on him that Glasgow is a fair distance from the south coast. If the Southampton job becomes available I hope they overlook him, the odious little twerp.

[mart broad]

Bruce whist coming across as a decent bloke was never a top EPL manager but neither are the “ talent” he was working with and i reckon he will be glad to get out albeit it was his boyhood club.
Whoever gets the gig will have a tough job just to keep the club in the EPL even given some funds in January and as it has been pointed out when City were taken over they were 9th in the table and Chelsea were 4th whenAbramovitch took us over big difference to NUFC present woes.
I personally would not fancy working for that Stavely woman she looks as hard as nails

[thegreatdogwood]

Yep a shame for Bruce but the team is simply not good enough. Saint Maximin is the only player that could hold down a regular slot in a top half team, Wilson and Willock are bottom half prem. As for Shelvey, he is a talented head case that will always frustrate a manager. Howay the lads.

[Speedyexplorer]

I hope they're right, I've got £130 riding on it.



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Not a fan then?

Can’t see Gerrard taking or wanting it, his eye is on the Liverpool job, even with the budget he will have for the transfer window there is no guarantees Newcastle won’t go down they are that poor right now. If Gerrard were to take them down he can kiss the Liverpool job bye bye.

[TaketheCannoli]

Strong money on Fonseca.

Can’t see Gerrard taking or wanting it, his eye is on the Liverpool job, even with the budget he will have for the transfer window there is no guarantees Newcastle won’t go down they are that poor right now. If Gerrard were to take them down he can kiss the Liverpool job bye bye.

[sickie]

Personally I hope Eddie Howe gets the job as he has premier league experience but whoever it is nothing will change until January.

Even then there is no guarantee we are staying up.



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[TaketheCannoli]

So much can change before January; organisation, tactics, confidence and hopefully performances and results.

Personally I hope Eddie Howe gets the job as he has premier league experience but whoever it is nothing will change until January.

Even then there is no guarantee we are staying up.



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[ryanb741]

A bit confused about the managerial shortlist (seemingly) for the Newcastle job. None of the names (Fonseca, Howe, Gerrard etc) are what you'd describe as Top Tier managers that the best teams would have and surely if Newcastle are going to go after titles imminently they'd go for a statement manager like Zidane, Klopp, Guardiola etc - someone that makes people take notice and then prospective players buy into the project? No disrespect to Eddie Howe but he's not going to entice Neymar to come. The prospective managers are kind of mid to low level Premier level, not ones befitting the richest club in the world with their grandiose plans.

Likewise the targeted players like Calvert-Lewin etc probably wouldn't get into the West Ham side, let alone a top 4 side. Newcastle need to think and act like a top team now. They could get Haaland - offer him £400k or so a week and he'd go there, get some other quality signings on big money and they'd challenge for Top 4 pretty quickly I reckon even if winning the Premier League would be more of a long term project

[learningtofly]

A bit confused about the managerial shortlist (seemingly) for the Newcastle job. None of the names (Fonseca, Howe, Gerrard etc) are what you'd describe as Top Tier managers that the best teams would have and surely if Newcastle are going to go after titles imminently they'd go for a statement manager like Zidane, Klopp, Guardiola etc - someone that makes people take notice and then prospective players buy into the project? No disrespect to Eddie Howe but he's not going to entice Neymar to come. The prospective managers are kind of mid to low level Premier level, not ones befitting the richest club in the world with their grandiose plans.

Likewise the targeted players like Calvert-Lewin etc probably wouldn't get into the West Ham side, let alone a top 4 side. Newcastle need to think and act like a top team now. They could get Haaland - offer him £400k or so a week and he'd go there, get some other quality signings on big money and they'd challenge for Top 4 pretty quickly I reckon even if winning the Premier League would be more of a long term project

Given where they are now, I think this can only be a two-stage project. First priority is probably over 12-18 months; bring someone in to stabilise the club, keep them up and get them into a solid mid-table position. Half a dozen solid players in January will achieve that under the right stewardship. Stage two is to progress from there to being a genuine force in club football. Marquee manager and marquee players will probably achieve that, but they won't get either at present (and you're having a laugh with regard to Haarland, I'm afraid).

[sickie]

Given where they are now, I think this can only be a two-stage project. First priority is probably over 12-18 months; bring someone in to stabilise the club, keep them up and get them into a solid mid-table position. Half a dozen solid players in January will achieve that under the right stewardship. Stage two is to progress from there to being a genuine force in club football. Marquee manager and marquee players will probably achieve that, but they won't get either at present (and you're having a laugh with regard to Haarland, I'm afraid).

Totally agree.



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[TaketheCannoli]

Spot on Tony. It's definitely a process over five to ten years of which this is stage one.

I think January is likely to see a couple of marquee signings and maybe a few cheaper and loan signings. The only objective the club has right now is to stay in the EPL.

Given where they are now, I think this can only be a two-stage project. First priority is probably over 12-18 months; bring someone in to stabilise the club, keep them up and get them into a solid mid-table position. Half a dozen solid players in January will achieve that under the right stewardship. Stage two is to progress from there to being a genuine force in club football. Marquee manager and marquee players will probably achieve that, but they won't get either at present (and you're having a laugh with regard to Haarland, I'm afraid).

[Chewitt13]

Yep, buy a martial and a lingard and get a free Jones

I suspect Newcastle will be used by agents all through Jan.

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[skmark]

Given where they are now, I think this can only be a two-stage project. First priority is probably over 12-18 months; bring someone in to stabilise the club, keep them up and get them into a solid mid-table position. Half a dozen solid players in January will achieve that under the right stewardship. Stage two is to progress from there to being a genuine force in club football. Marquee manager and marquee players will probably achieve that, but they won't get either at present (and you're having a laugh with regard to Haarland, I'm afraid).

Thanks Tony, you've saved me writing that .

Patience doesn't come naturally to me, but as a lifelong Newcastle fan I now find myself in a position which is so much better than I was just 3 weeks ago. I am happy now to learn how to be patient and see what develops over the coming weeks.

[jwg663]

So much can change before January; organisation, tactics, confidence and hopefully performances and results...

...but you can't change the players who've woefully underperformed so far this season & most of whom will still be in the first-team squad beyond the January transfer window.

It's not all Bruce's fault, however much you want him to be culpable. There's no doubt that Mike Ashley should have canned Bruce earlier, IMO. NUFC has lost at least another week by not having a replacement manager ready to parachute in. That delays your improvements in 'organisation, tactics & confidence' & will likely cost the club points going forward.

[magirus]

Given where they are now, I think this can only be a two-stage project. First priority is probably over 12-18 months; bring someone in to stabilise the club, keep them up and get them into a solid mid-table position. Half a dozen solid players in January will achieve that under the right stewardship. Stage two is to progress from there to being a genuine force in club football. Marquee manager and marquee players will probably achieve that, but they won't get either at present (and you're having a laugh with regard to Haarland, I'm afraid).

That's the thoughts of most fans Tony. All the newspaper click bait garbage about signings is just that . . . garbage.

[ellsy_79]

my opinion is newcastle won’t manage to stay up this year and this will add 2 years to the project.