Just seeking some opinions.
I’m after a change of car and have narrowed it down to these two;
* Volvo XC70
* Landrover Discovery Sport
I’m looking at 2014/15 years.
Less than 60,000 miles.
Budget is about £17k-£19k.
I need AWD for the winter, where I live.
Dog in the rear.
Reliability is a big thing too.
Thanks for any advice.
I would have thought the XC60 is closer to the Discovery Sport?
In which case I think the XC60 is a significantly better car - my understanding is the Disco Sport is very much built down to a price. They also don’t have a great rep for build quality or reliability.
Yes, I know what you mean regarding the XC60 being similar to the Disco. I just like the look of the 70 over the 60.Originally Posted by TheFlyingBanana
Last edited by Falcata; 28th July 2021 at 20:03.
If you like that, you might also want to consider an Audi A6 Allroad. A friend has one and he says it’s been brilliant.
So clever my foot fell off.
I’d avoid the XC70 - and Allroad due to complicated 4WD systems.
I like the Disco sport but if you’re going that age, avoid the early 2.0L.
As said above, the XC60 is a better all round bet.
Isn’t the XC60 and XC70 the same system ? Is it the Haldex ?
As Dave O said....If you’re going with the Disco Sport make sure you stay away from the 2.0 Ingenium engine models (diesel)
Stick with the older tech which will be the old Freelander 2 engine 2.2 diesel. The ingeniums suffer from balance shaft issues....Google’s your friend.
Ingeniums came out at 65 plate so before that and you’re fine.
I could not buy a car that is permanently rooted to the bottom of JD Power & What Car reliability survey.
I test drove the Volvo in late 2019 and wasn't impressed really. Just seemed a bit 'lacklustre' to me. Had a Disco Sport on loan for a couple of days and thought it was pretty good overall. Didn't have the tight feel of the Evoque I remember (2016 MY) but was pretty good although it was a 2020 model. I must be lucky because I've had Ingenium engined cars since 2016 with no problems!
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
After the suggestion of the XC60 - I’m giving that some thought now
Is that the disco sport ?
I bought one 18 months ago, similar to what you are looking for - very pleased with it. I went for a high spec D5 - much more than I need really but very comfortable on long runs.
Mark
https://www.whatcar.com/news/2020-what-car-reliability-survey-large-suvs/n20066
It's not all bad. More than half of them didn't go wrongLeast reliable large SUVs
1. Land Rover Discovery Sport (2014-present)
Reliability rating 73.1%
What went wrong? Exhaust 23%, non-engine electrics 12%, engine 11%, battery 9%, bodywork 9%, interior trim 9%, brakes 7%, engine electrics 7%, gearbox/clutch 7%, infotainment/sat-nav 7%, air-con 5%, fuel system 2%, suspension 2% steering 1%
A whopping 49% of Discovery Sports went wrong, with the model chalking up problems in every one of our fault categories. Half of cars could still be driven, but a third took more than a week to put right. While 88% were fixed for free, non-warranty repair bills ranged from less than £50 to £1000.
We have a top spec D5 14 plate XC60 that we've had for 4.5 years now. Initially it was doing my 80 mile commute to work but in the last 3 years it's been my wife's daily and our weekend family bus with the mileage dropping significantly. We've put 35k on it taking it to the high 70s.
Can't fault it - it's failed to make it home once which was a clogged boost sensor, local specialist had the part in stock and said it's literally the only thing that goes wrong with the engine. Had a niggle when my wife forced the boot shut and the sensor needed reset but other than that i can't think of anything that's gone wrong. Incredibly relaxing to drive with radar cruise control and did a 400 mile round trip fully laden with bikes on the roof at 32mpg. We have young kids (1.5 and 6) and even they've not been able to destroy the interior (yet).
I keep toying with the idea of selling it but my wife adores it and everything else seems expensive for not a lot of gain. Dynamically it's not the best thing on a twisty back road but once you get past the initial vague turn in then it hangs on pretty well for a big bus.
Personally i wouldn't touch a JLR product if i wanted reliability.
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Repeating what has been said below, but JLR have got very comfortable with their current market position and I have a friend who has been a land rover driver from day 1 and had many LRs and RRs including his last 2019 plate RR sport - he has just taken the leap to a Porsche as he is sick of the constant problems with his RR.
I would opt for the Volvo as they are considered a much better quality vehicle. Is resale something that you will be considering?
Had the Disco Sport. Very comfy with a nice ride. Super practical and lots of gizmos available if that's important to you.
For two years is was great, but I did have a problem with the fuel gauge that left me stranded. It showed half a tank when in fact I was empty.
I replaced it after a couple of years when on the service the pads and disks needed replacing. This was done under warranty, but apparently this is a thing (also on Evoques) than mean many vehicles need to replace these parts every 18-24 months on the rear.
Apparently the front brakes are so powerful the rears never really heat up, therefore they stay moist and rot quickly. Not sure if that's the real reason, but I don't want to treat these things as consumables every 18 months, so I sold it for a nice price while it was still under warranty.
Mate has an XC60 that's been to the garage far more. So to be honest, I'd pick the one you like being in the most.
Volvo V70/XC70 might be one of the most robust cars ever made.
A lot of old V70-taxicars in Finland with insane mileages on the clock... like 700 thousand kilometers or so... and still running strong.
If reliability is a big thing for you I’d suggest a Toyota/Honda/Subaru/Lexus or pretty much anything Japanese. Out of the two you offered I would select the Volvo. The Japanese options will all be better. Just check out JD Power Surveys or Honest John reviews.
OP, you said you needed AWD for the winter but how important is that?
If it’s a major point then you’ve only got one option.
My wife had DiscoSport for 5 and half years. One of the first so did have the 2.2 engine. Didn’t miss a beat and residual value was good
She now has a Velar which most would consider to be a step up. She wants her Disco back !!
And before the Disco Sport she had an XC90 for 10 years.
People seem to love to bash JLR products. Don’t believe all the hype.
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I agree, people love bashing JLR products. Im my experience they are not as bad as people day. Then again we could be in the minority and be the lucky ones.
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Some people have great experience with cars and some people have crap experiences.
Take the emotion out of it. JLR are rooted to the bottom of reliability tables. It doesn’t mean you can’t buy one and run it for 250,000 miles without any problem.
What the stats like What Car and JD Power surveys are saying is that ON AVERAGE you will have many more problems with a JLR car, costing you more money and time off the road.
Forget individual experiences and look towards large survey AVERAGE data.
We’re a Volvo family and have run an old model XC90 with D5 engine/4WD from new for 10 years. Only thing it needed outside routine maintenance was a DPF sensor, £300 from our local Indy Voltech. We replaced it with an XC60 D4 as kids were older and didn’t need as many gubbins. Comfier seats than XC90 if not as practical. An XC70 D5 would be a good halfway house I reckon.
Voice of reason and because I value reliability above pretty-well everything else I will not touch a JLR vehicle (sadly, because they are lovely looking and performing vehicles).
This.
Anecdote means nothing in this game.
I have a 69 reg Velar at the moment and had to have the balance shaft bearing replaced after 7k miles which required the engine to be taken out of the car to access the repair. For such a young car that is quite unbelievable, but the garage were great and there was no question about the work being done under warranty. It was inconvenient, but I was loaned another Velar while my car was in for repair.
When the car was returned there were immediately a couple of grumbles from the engine management system, which required 2 more visits to the dealer to rectify. Again when the car was in the dealership, I was loaned a full 'drug-dealer spec' full fat Range Rover while it was repaired. Inconvenient, but no big deal.
Since then the car has been faultless, with the exception of some minor electronic glitches such as Apple Carplay not firing up, or the sat-nav not speaking.
I also have a 66 reg Hilux, which required far more trips to the dealer to fix problems in the first three months than the Velar has in 2 years. In the end I just gave up with Toyota as they didn't give a t055. My Hilux is the top spec Invincible X version, but doesn't have any clever tech to go wrong (like the Velar), so does that make it more reliable, or is there just less to go wrong, so less for me to complain about?
There is so much technology loaded onto most modern Land Rovers nowadays and they cost an absolute bomb - which is probably one of the reasons why people are more 'vocal' when they do go wrong. They are not the most reliable brand, but I do not believe they are as bad as they are made out to be. They are also damned nice cars to drive long distances in, very stylish, well designed and aspirational. If only LR just put an extra 10% into their quality procedures they would have a winning combination which would be hard to beat for anyone who genuinely needs a proper 4x4.
Last edited by Maysie; 30th July 2021 at 17:18.
I have run am XC90 (I assume the OP means XC90? I have never seen an XC70) petrol for almost a year now and it has been faultless. Good mpg .averaging almost 30, did 500 miles to rosslare and back last week in supreme comfort. Swallowed all the gear for a week's camping with 3 kids. Great array of gadgets, the all round camera view being especially useful. Park like a boss!
I had previously run a disco sport for just over 3 years, the 180bhp diesel engine, and it was just ok, quite a few minor niggles and several times back to the dealer (customer service very good btw).
My choice would be Volvo all day long
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/cars/volvo/xc70
Your choice may be different, but personally I would go for the Volvo and if you are concerned about winter mobility I would be fitting All Season tyres as a minimum, or proper winter tyres for the colder months - they would make a bigger difference in snow and ice than AWD (which adds nothing when it comes to braking.) A friend of mine had a full 4WD Mitsubishi Shogun on "Summer" tyres that he didn't dare drive in snow after it failed to stop before it hit some parked cars.
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*** decision Made.
Went for the XC60 Volvo D5 AWD. Decided I liked it better than the XC70 after all.
Collect it tomorrow. :)
Nice car. I am a Volvo fan, and have owned the same V70 for the last 13 years.
Post some photos when you get the chance.
If you want a largish SUV with AWD, which is pretty bullet proof, why not a Toyota Rav 4 or spend a bit more on a Lexus NX (Hybrid).
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I was thinking of getting a Lexus suv and to be honest I was very disappointed I really used to like Lexus but looking at the suvs the interiors are very similar to the interiors of Lexuses from about 8 years ago they get slated when compared to any other makes in reviews one of the reasons for a suv is ride quality and it is awful and the nx 2.5 petrol does 0-60 in about 9.5 seconds about the Same as my mrs 1.0 turbo fiesta not good when considering about 10 years ago the were easily a left field match for any of the German marks
Just ordered a new X3 discounted to Disco to many probs Volvo was a contender but in the end X3 won as it’s the best drivers car
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