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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    Yes it's a vague term used when someone can't give a specific explanation based on the actual incident.

    I've watched hundreds of league 1 & 2 games so I've seen my fair share of pyhsical football and if a player is on a run and the defender just runs into them with no attempt to play the ball, preventing them from continuing their run with the ball, that is a clear foul.
    You're convinced it was a foul.
    That's fine.
    The wider world doesn't agree and that's fine too.
    Settle yourself down and enjoy the build up.
    Let's hope there's no more diving from both teams tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Let's hope there's no more diving from both teams tomorrow.
    Lol, it’s Italy, there’ll be more diving than an Olympic 10m!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Lol, it’s Italy and England, there’ll be more diving than an Olympic 10m!
    Fixed that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    Not true. The ref can award a goal for example and VAR can overturn it.

    Hahahaha, TZUK, the gift that keeps on giving.
    Why have a ref if someone can overturn his devision? VAR is a referee ASSISTANT, not replacement. Nobody can undo the refs decision apart from the FA or UEFA via written appeal, and it very rarely happens.

    In the case of the Denmark march VAR was only called in to see if a serious error had occurred with the refs decision. It hadn't.

    Why are we still talking about this? It's done. Shall we go back and re-hash a load of other incidents we are unqualified to critique?

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    She’d get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    Yes it's a vague term used when someone can't give a specific explanation based on the actual incident.

    I've watched hundreds of league 1 & 2 games so I've seen my fair share of pyhsical football and if a player is on a run and the defender just runs into them with no attempt to play the ball, preventing them from continuing their run with the ball, that is a clear foul.
    Moot. 2 balls on the pitch right next to where play was taking place. Should have stopped the game by the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Moot. 2 balls on the pitch right next to where play was taking place. Should have stopped the game by the rules.

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    No, it's ready been covered. The rule is that play only has to be stopped if the 2nd ball is interfering with play. The extra ball had been there an little while, it was stationary and didn't affect Denmark in any way during Sterling's run.

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    I’m sure Hood will appreciate this.

    https://youtu.be/_-8C09gRot8

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevkojak View Post
    Hahahaha, TZUK, the gift that keeps on giving.
    Why have a ref if someone can overturn his devision? VAR is a referee ASSISTANT, not replacement. Nobody can undo the refs decision apart from the FA or UEFA via written appeal, and it very rarely happens.

    In the case of the Denmark march VAR was only called in to see if a serious error had occurred with the refs decision. It hadn't.

    Why are we still talking about this? It's done. Shall we go back and re-hash a load of other incidents we are unqualified to critique?

    So if a ref awards awards a goal, and VAR tells him it was offside, the ref can decide to stick with his original decision. I think not. In which case surely the VAR has overruled the ref?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    You're convinced it was a foul.
    That's fine.
    The wider world doesn't agree and that's fine too.
    Settle yourself down and enjoy the build up.
    Let's hope there's no more diving from both teams tomorrow.
    I too thought it was a dubious penalty after the game but had only seen the camera angles shown on TV. The rest of the world is basing their opinion on the same angles. A lot of Danish fans are a still claiming there was no contact.

    When I saw the other angle that VAR had avaliable and that would have been close to the ref's view, my opinion completely changed. This video is tucked away on twitter and you tube so most of the rest of the world hasn't seen this and for many of those that have it doesn't fit the narrative they want to believe because it's Sterling and England.

    Lineker is now telling it like it is and he knows a quite a bit about penalties.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.m...y-24492286.amp

    Anyway I agree it's time to move on, I look forward to the game even though I consider Italy as favourites. I hope to be able to enjoy the occasion and achievement regardless of the result.

    Enjoy the game too (but hopefully not the result)!

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    Anyone else moved on from the Denmark game? No, only me? Can't wait for tomorrow night, there'll be drama for sure but let's all enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    So if a ref awards awards a goal, and VAR tells him it was offside, the ref can decide to stick with his original decision. I think not. In which case surely the VAR has overruled the ref?
    https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/prot...tant-referees/



    • The VAR team will check all match-changing situations, but will only intervene for clear and obvious mistakes. The referee can hold up play while a decision is being reviewed.
    • If the VAR review provides clear evidence for a serious mistake in one of the game-changing situations, the VAR can then ask the referee to conduct an on-field review. The final decision can only be taken by the referee.
    • The VAR is also able to take into account any infringement that could have taken place in the immediate build-up to the incident (the attacking phase of play).
    • For 'factual' decisions (e.g. offsides, fouls in or outside the penalty area), the VAR can simply inform the referee of those facts and the on-field view screen isn't needed, but it is always the referee who takes the final decision.
    • The on-field review process will be communicated within the stadium using either the stadium screens or the public announcement system.

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    BBC or ITV?

    Matterface and Dixon don't cut it so BBC for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotsthecrack View Post
    BBC or ITV?

    Matterface and Dixon don't cut it so BBC for me.
    All else aside, adverts are enough to do it for me, beeb all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotsthecrack View Post
    BBC or ITV?

    Matterface and Dixon don't cut it so BBC for me.
    I partly blame ITVs shoddy coverage for the penalty controversy so I'll definitely be watching BBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotsthecrack View Post
    BBC or ITV?

    Matterface and Dixon don't cut it so BBC for me.

    BBC. Not chavvy ITV thank you very much..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    I’m sure Hood will appreciate this.

    https://youtu.be/_-8C09gRot8
    Not bad Andy.

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    If we’d have been on bbc in the first place, we’d have won in normal time.

    Wouldn’t trust Itv to broadcast tiddlywinks

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    I partly blame ITVs shoddy coverage for the penalty controversy so I'll definitely be watching BBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Anyone else moved on from the Denmark game? No, only me? Can't wait for tomorrow night, there'll be drama for sure but let's all enjoy it.
    I have. It was a great game, two equally matched teams, but one has to win and I'm happy in the knowledge that the referee and the chaps behind the VAR know far more about football than me.

    I normally only watch international games, so I'm really rather looking forward to tonight.

    Come on ING-UR-LAND!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    All else aside, adverts are enough to do it for me, beeb all the way.
    Same reason for me.

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    The Euros 2020

    To avoid the BBC Scotland or STV commentaries I play the 5 Live radio and mute the TV. Sometimes requires syncing by pausing the screen for a couple of seconds

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    BBC all the way for me.
    Good luck to both teams but I’m going for 2-1 England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halitosis View Post
    To avoid the BBC Scotland or STV commentaries I play the 5 Live radio and mute the TV. Sometimes requires syncing by pausing the screen for a couple of seconds
    If you watch the game via iPlayer, you can select the 5 Live commentary as one of the audio sources.

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    I just want to wish everyone a very happy footballing evening whoever you support/want to win.

    Whatever the outcome hopefully people will remember that it’s just a game and entertainment for the masses. It does not define countries nor it’s populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/prot...tant-referees/



    • The VAR team will check all match-changing situations, but will only intervene for clear and obvious mistakes. The referee can hold up play while a decision is being reviewed.
    • If the VAR review provides clear evidence for a serious mistake in one of the game-changing situations, the VAR can then ask the referee to conduct an on-field review. The final decision can only be taken by the referee.
    • The VAR is also able to take into account any infringement that could have taken place in the immediate build-up to the incident (the attacking phase of play).
    • For 'factual' decisions (e.g. offsides, fouls in or outside the penalty area), the VAR can simply inform the referee of those facts and the on-field view screen isn't needed, but it is always the referee who takes the final decision.
    • The on-field review process will be communicated within the stadium using either the stadium screens or the public announcement system.
    So VAR can overturn a ref decision, whoever the ref can choose to ignore it. Got it!

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    I don't really follow football but I heard that one of the Italian players is immobile, so that must help England's chances.
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    Haha - spot on hhhh


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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    Saying it's never a penalty but not giving an explanation is pretty much the definition of having your cake and eating it. Again why is Jensen's "tackle" not a foul, please explain?
    Seriously? Laws of the Game and explanations for why it wasn't have been quoted at length.

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    Not once person has been able to explain why Jensen's "tackle" isn't a foul since I shared this footage.

    Maybe you can help?

    https://twitter.com/KevinDoyle1983/s...064010752?s=09

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    All I know is that this thread should have been a celebration of England's success, and instead it's been ruined by a bunch of mean-spirited curmudgeons who don't even understand the laws of the game. Thanks very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    Not once person has been able to explain why Jensen's "tackle" isn't a foul since I shared this footage.

    Maybe you can help?

    https://twitter.com/KevinDoyle1983/s...064010752?s=09

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    Give it a rest. There are pages and pages of the same discussion rambling on. Let it drop.
    (And that isn’t just you...that’s all of you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by village View Post
    Give it a rest. There are pages and pages of the same discussion rambling on. Let it drop.
    Quite, they'll be another set of controversies to argue about after this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    All I know is that this thread should have been a celebration of England's success, and instead it's been ruined by a bunch of mean-spirited curmudgeons who don't even understand the laws of the game. Thanks very much.
    Just thinking the same...good job TZ was around in 1966 or 55 years later we would be still arguing if the ball crossed the line.

    Anyway 2-1 to England is my prediction.

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    Whilst I hope I’m wrong, I predict 1-0 to Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc1216 View Post
    55 years later we would be still arguing if the ball crossed the line.
    Well we know it didn't.
    #plantpot

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    #plantpot

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    For me the only Italian that would get into the England team is the keeper.
    It all comes down to Southgate, does he send them out to play, or stop the Italians from playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Looking forward to the final now but am avoiding any of the build up - don’t wanna get swept up in the optimism as I do worry we will come up just short (it is England after all). And a pessimist is never disappointed!

    Got to go to be at work for 7.30 in the morning so can’t even numb the nerves with too much beer. It’s gonna be tense. Come on England

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    All I know is that this thread should have been a celebration of England's success, and instead it's been ruined by a bunch of mean-spirited curmudgeons who don't even understand the laws of the game. Thanks very much.
    Hear hear Tone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Spot on about the pineapple.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    So VAR can overturn a ref decision, whoever the ref can choose to ignore it. Got it!
    Its not difficult to understand, if the ref gets it wrong the VAR won’t overrule it, they’ll advise but the end decision is still the refs.

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    Overwhelming proof that England will win tonight. Sorry to spoil the anticipation but scientific evidence cannot be ignored;

    https://www.bild.de/video/clip/sport...true.bild.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Well we know it didn't.

    Well it did, because the history books say so. Just as it shows that Lampard’s didn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyg View Post
    Well it did, because the history books say so. Just as it shows that Lampard’s didn’t.
    Show me a history book which says that Lampard's shot was not a goal.

    You know what a book is, right? The sort of thing which Nietzsche wrote.

    [...]

    Well, never mind.
    #plantpot

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    All I know is that this thread should have been a celebration of England's success, and instead it's been ruined by a bunch of mean-spirited curmudgeons who don't even understand the laws of the game. Thanks very much.
    I think that's a bit below the belt Tony. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they don't understand the laws of the game.

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