Reply With QuoteFTFYOriginally Posted by Dave+63
As I’m British first and foremost, and a sheep-shagger second: COME ON ENGLAND!
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Sterling trailed his leg looking for a contact and then threw himself to the floor.
No foul was committed.
Relax your boys are only doing what these cheating Latin types have been doing for years.
Take another look. Game time 29:m 23s: http://www.itv.com/hub/uefa-european...ip/1a6248a0105. The Danish players are well away from England's wall.
The rule you linked to says: "Where three or more defending team players form a ‘wall’, all attacking team players must remain at least 1 m (1 yd) from the ‘wall’ until the ball is in play." It doesn't specify any particular direction. The Danes were lined up at least 1 m closer to where the penalty was taken than the England players.
Not true. Watch the footage, Jensen sticks out his hip towards Sterling, the main contact is hip to hip, then Sterling loses his balance.
It's a clear foul in my view but as you disagree please explain how Jensen's actions are within the rules?
https://youtu.be/6iix8NSjjFk
You're probably right an absolute stone waller despite the commentator saying not to get too exited as likely to be overturned and Lee Dixon and Ian Wright not thinking it was a penalty.
In fact the Dane should probably have been sent off too as I'm sure Sterling would have been through on goal with a clear goal scoring opportunity.
You've got no chance mate :) They really, really want to have the cake and eat it too...
Again no explanation.
On the highlights show on the BBC, 2 out of 3 pundits thought it was a penalty as did the ref who was in the best place and VAR didn't overturn it having reviewed the key camera angle footage. If it was so clearly not a penalty why didn't VAR overrule the ref?
Jensen clearly swings his hip towards Sterling, bumping him whilst he is running at speed and causing him to lose balance. It isn't minimal contact and Jensen isn't even trying to get the ball.
I never usually watch football but I started watching at the semi final and think this years 2021 European cup looks good, I never saw last years. Maybe GB will win on Sunday.
This shows both angles. As for direction irrelevant - 1m is 1m.
But If you honestly saying they were 1m alway before the ball was kicked I recommend Specsavers https://youtu.be/2LiEVZ4tObY
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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No need to get all salty about this. It’s just a game.
But I would have thought the Scots would be quite pleased, as they are the only team in the Tournament to have taken a point off England (finalists).
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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We’ll be clinging to that statistic, believe me!
Banter Andy
You're taking it in the spirit it's meant.
All this talk of diving and we’re playing the Italians tomorrow FFS!
That's the very point. Those cheatin Latins are the diving type, not our proud Anglo Saxon boys.
Saw a meme last night suggesting the Scots have supported four teams so far this tournament and have yet to get a win.
Bants
I don't know but all the Scots that I know are supporting England.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
The danger with that is what considered as banter/humorous/satirical comments by some, might be viewed as racist, bigoted, offensive, etc, to others. Feelings get hurt.
Plus you know how sensitive some of the hive round here can get
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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As an Englishman living in Scotland I know plenty, but it’s all fine by me and good humour
Praise be to all those non UK players plying their trade in UK leagues (for their teaching and coaching) and to VAR (for increasing fairness and reducing controversy).
But special thanks most also go to the wonderful example set by authorities like FIFA, UEFA and PL for demonstrating the ethics required to be successful in this sport.
We are truly blessed to have professional football for business, wealth generating, entertainment opportunities and for brining all fans together in harmony.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
It's only a 'danger' for the tiny minority who repeatedly fail to see the differences.The danger with that is what considered as banter/humorous/satirical comments by some, might be viewed as racist, bigoted, offensive, etc, to others. Feelings get hurt.
Plus you know how sensitive some of the hive round here can get
But it's the sensitivity of the queen bee that only counts in this hive.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
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For what it's worth, I completely agree with you and am not sure why so many people apparently can't see it from your perspective.
I think Sterling is running between two players at pace when balance is at a premium and has two players make some contact (the first Dane makes contact with his thigh I think) and this is enough to push him off balance and would be a foul anywhere on the pitch.
In the ref's opinion it was a foul, and the VAR agreed. These people are the experts, working at the highest level with years of experience - I doubt they give a monkey's what Lee Dixon thinks.
You can repeat this as often as you like, but the VAR did not have to agree in order to not take back the decision.
I am surprised how many people seem to have no clue how the VAR system works. This is really VAR basics.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
That's true, however, if it was clearly not a penalty VAR would have overruled it. Having reviewed the footage VAR didn't see any evidence that the referee had made a clear and obvious error and having seen the additional angle it's obvious why they came to this conclusion, it was a foul (or 2).
So VAR not overruling the ref doesn't fit with the narrative of "never a penalty", "worse penalty decision ever", etc, etc.
I guess this tournament was likely to be a duel between Makkelie and Kuipers. If you think Makkelie performed well under pressure, then I suggest you see who is going to whistle the final. I hope Björn can keep the game under control. He is a decent enough ref IMO, but all in all this has been another tournament that has made me miss Pierluigi Collina. ’Course he couldn’t help in this final with Italy anyway, but nevertheless I miss him.
Thank you for the link. It enabled me to make the screenshots I needed to illustrate the situation:
If you really cannot see the green grass between the two lines then I suggest you take up your own recommendation.
VAR cannot overrule a referee.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Sea lions coming home everyone, here’s to a great match
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Yes VAR gives advise but the ref ultimately has the final decision.
But that is the essence of football: besides black and white, there is an infinite amount of grey shades. And a good referee knows when they should give a penalty and when not, even if they could. There is a reason only the best referees are admitted at such a tournament, and this was a situation where the ref could have, but shouldn't have. No VAR can remedy such a situation.
That is why good referees will let the scene play out and then check on the screen if they should give a penalty, especially close to the end of a semifinal.
But you knew that already.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Clearly your understanding of 1m is different from mine.Thank you for the link. It enabled me to make the screenshots I needed to illustrate the situation:
If you really cannot see the green grass between the two lines then I suggest you take up your own recommendation.
But it matters not. The goal stood and the rest is history.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
OK yes, but no referee is going to completely ignore VAR if they raise serious doubts about the decision. The reason the referee didn't look at the screen is almost certainly that VAR didn't question his decision. If the ref ignores VAR and then his decision is proved wrong he'll know that would be his last big game for a while.
Not true. The ref can award a goal for example and VAR can overturn it.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Haha nice lampooning of the absurd game.Sea lions coming home everyone, here’s to a great match
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Nice to see you aren’t running out of subjects to be wrong about.
After reviewing a situation if the VAR’s view doesn’t agree with what the ref believes they have seen then they can recommend an overturn.
VAR will not review under the auspice of ‘is the ref right or wrong’ but ‘is the decision a clear and obvious error’.
Whatever VAR announce it is only advice and the final decision is always up to the referee in charge of the game.
No, it’s political lampooning which shouldn’t be in this thread.
Genuine question, but is that specific to Uefas use of VAR? Just thinking in terms of premier league how often ref would give a goal, not give a pen, VAR would have a look and make the final decision. Screen would say goal/no goal, etc. Only time I can think the ref got final say was in terms of bookings/sendings off when they would look at monitor (and very rarely). Can’t remember it happening in any other scenario but I could be wrongNice to see you aren’t running out of subjects to be wrong about.
After reviewing a situation if the VAR’s view doesn’t agree with what the ref believes they have seen then they can recommend an overturn.
VAR will not review under the auspice of ‘is the ref right or wrong’ but ‘is the decision a clear and obvious error’.
Whatever VAR announce it is only advice and the final decision is always up to the referee in charge of the game.
Have you got any factual evidence to back up your claim?
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Kinda goes with and for any popular territory in GB these days but I’ll say no more.
Here’s to a clean and honourable final.
I disagree; it’s a lampooning of Diane Abbott who has a reputation of being very poor with figures.
Her political leanings in this instance are irrelevant; just because she is a politician doesn’t mean that every reference to her must be political.
According to the Premier League's VAR Protocol 2020/21 Season they use the same IFAB/FIFA protocol as used by UEFA. That is underlined by B15 and K25 in the rules set out in the Premier League's Season 2020/21 Handbook.
Interesting that they apparently use the same protocols. VAR must have ruined around 1 in 4 premier league games last season. This tournament it’s been a revelation, easy to forget VAR is even there. What gives?
Thanks. Not one person has given a reason why one or both of the tackles are fair. It's great play by Sterling, the defenders can't cope and both miss or don't even try to get the ball. Whether Sterling goes down too easy is irrelevant there's no way Sterling was going to be able to control the ball after the defenders banged knees and hips with him.
Like you say anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul and no-one would bat an eyelid.
Saying it's never a penalty but not giving an explanation is pretty much the definition of having your cake and eating it. Again why is Jensen's "tackle" not a foul, please explain?
Have you heard the term "contact sport"?
Yes it's a vague term used when someone can't give a specific explanation based on the actual incident.
I've watched hundreds of league 1 & 2 games so I've seen my fair share of pyhsical football and if a player is on a run and the defender just runs into them with no attempt to play the ball, preventing them from continuing their run with the ball, that is a clear foul.
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