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    ‘Issue’ G10 Straps - etching?

    Since taking a passing interest in the geekery of some of this; a couple of passing observations that may be of interest to those going for ‘fully authentic’.

    I’ve noticed the word ‘Phoenix’ is etched on Phoenix G10s on the market. I’ve not paid attention, but in 3 decades, I don’t recall seeing that. Interest ever so mildly piqued, in an idle moment, I asked a colleague to grab me one from stores for me.

    Groundtruth: no ‘Phoenix’ etching on Phoenix straps from stores:



    And while I’m on the subject; what the hell is this?


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    I have a couple of early 80s MoD supplied G10 straps. They don't have any words like CWC or Phoenix, just 18 and mm either side of the reverse of the buckle.






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    Phoenix have been etching their buckles for a good few years now. ISTR it was at a time when Admiralty Grey was the must have colour. There were lots of imitations that were supposed to be Admiralty Grey, but weren't. Adding etched buckles from the MOD supplier guaranteed the correct colour. Suggest the stores one has been kicking about for ages (presumably genuine Phoenix). QMs do not like parting with stuff - stores are for storing, laddie!

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    Phoenix was added much later on when people started taking an interest in them.

    You are to be congratulated for getting something out of the stores that’s a real achievement,we had store men who specialised in never giving us anything

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    Yup, I suppose my point was, actual issue Phoenix, in my experience, don’t have anything etched on them.

    Whether that’s a ‘been on the shelf’ or accumulated stock reason, or not, I’ve never seen an etched ‘issue’ strap through the system.

    Ack the ‘being copied’ reason for etching, but I suspect, for the aficionados who, reading some of the threads on here, care about such things, an etched Phoenix G10 is an indicator of ‘for civ market’ and thereby inauthentic.

    (I suppose, on that, I’ve only ever seen Phoenix issued; I’ve never seen a CWC G10 strap through the system for a normal G10 watch)

    😊

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    (I hasten to add, I’ve done an early 15k marathon kayak training session since my first post on this - and am just doing this over late breakfast - I do have a life! )

    Just digging out the two straps I now have on hand, a few pics for ‘compare and contrast’ - esp the nature of the marking.

    … but lengths and colours also inconsistent - I think the market loses sight of the fact that these are ultra cheap throwaway straps.

    (And the pics Cause me to wonder if ‘etching’ not only indicates ‘civvy’, but also denotes the change from brass/chrome to stainless?)






    And, hopefully, the ebay ‘issue’ pic I tried to post in the 1st post. Issue? With a spring bar buckle?!

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    ‘Issue’ G10 Straps - etching?

    I noticed Phoenix being added on to straps about 10 years ago. Before that they were sterile.
    That said I have noticed numerous differences in the straps I have had through the years.
    All have 12 holes but they are completely different lengths, different colours and the bars in different locations.




    The 3 to the left are not Phoenix the 2 20mm are CWC and these are what are being sent with the new issued watches as I understand the 18mm is an early grey of unknown make but it came on an issued Precista small triangle diver, this has a spring bar buckle. It’s also the shortest strap I have. I have had a few issued straps with spring bars and dare I say it some have been stitched not heat sealed.


    I did not bother getting the brand new straps I have in the cupboard out but these show as many differences as those above

    I shudder to think of the ‘money’ I have thrown away by chucking manky bits of Nylon in the bin when I have received a new (to me) watch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    I noticed Phoenix being added on to straps about 10 years ago. Before that they were sterile.
    That said I have noticed numerous differences in the straps I have had through the years.
    All have 12 holes but they are completely different lengths, different colours and the bars in different locations.




    The 3 to the left are not Phoenix the 2 20mm are CWC and these are what are being sent with the new issued watches as I understand the 18mm is an early grey of unknown make but it came on an issued Precista small triangle diver, this has a spring bar buckle. It’s also the shortest strap I have. I have had a few issued straps with spring bars and dare I say it some have been stitched not heat sealed.


    I did not bother getting the brand new straps I have in the cupboard out but these show as many differences as those above

    I shudder to think of the ‘money’ I have thrown away by chucking manky bits of Nylon in the bin when I have received a new (to me) watch
    😂 I thought I was sad with two! 😂😊😊

    Yup, I’ve thrown these away over the years.

    I think CWC ‘issue’ straps may only be issue on newer dive watch contracts.
    I’ve never, ever seen anything other than what I now know to be Phoenix out of the stores.

    Issue Precista diver? Didn’t even know there was such a thing! 😂

    I’d take some persuading that spring bar buckles have ever been issued - a point of failure/ mechanical weakness on an otherwise robust cheap strap

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    ‘Issue’ G10 Straps - etching?

    I take sad b@stard to different levels! All were removed from watches I wear though, I don’t collect bits of nylon. Not yet any way…
    I have seen spring bar NATOs over above the one I have. I dont think they were made by Phoenix but someone else. They date from late 80s early 90s as far as I can tell.

    Re the Precista Diver, yep four different watches issued, in 82, 88- big triangle, 89- small triangle and 93 - completely different design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    I take sad b@stard to different levels! All were removed from watches I wear though, I don’t collect bits of nylon. Not yet any way…
    I have seen spring bar NATOs over above the one I have. I dont think they were made by Phoenix but someone else. They date from late 80s early 90s as far as I can tell.

    Re the Precista Diver, yep three different watches issued, in 88- big triangle, 89- small triangle and 93 - completely different design.
    😂

    Thanks on the diver - I didn’t know any of that 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brauner Hund View Post
    I think the market loses sight of the fact that these are ultra cheap throwaway straps.
    Well said, Omega take note. I’m of the belief that you should either buy really cheap or really expensive. Making cheap thinks costly always seems pointless. Anyway back to the original purpose of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    You are to be congratulated for getting something out of the stores that’s a real achievement,we had store men who specialised in never giving us anything
    That.'s because stores are for storing. If they were for issuing they'd be called issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    I take sad b@stard to different levels! All were removed from watches I wear though, I don’t collect bits of nylon. Not yet any way…
    I have seen spring bar NATOs over above the one I have. I dont think they were made by Phoenix but someone else. They date from late 80s early 90s as far as I can tell.

    Re the Precista Diver, yep four different watches issued, in 82, 88- big triangle, 89- small triangle and 93 - completely different design.
    Very cool watch, thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    Nice watch John, looks familiar.

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    In my 35 years working in a military storage environment,
    I’ve never seen issued NATO’s with laser etched buckles and I’ve seen lots.
    In the real world tho besides Phoenix I’ve also seen ones with CWC laser etched on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    Nice watch John, looks familiar.
    Completely different watch…

    Not!

    I am now looking for the rest of them!

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