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    CWC Diver - a bit of price groundtruth

    Just spent an idle moment calculating the seller’s ‘take home’ price, after 12.8% eBay fees ( these are the ‘ended’ values within the last several months).

    So… the ‘ended’ sale price x 0.872 is the ground truth of what , from a seller perspective, these watches went for:

    SBS:
    T luminova. £388
    87 reissue date £466
    87 reissue no date £492
    L dial. £402, £415, £412

    Silver:
    Quartz matte £371
    Quartz £349

    All rather lower than the general perception, I think?


    Last edited by Brauner Hund; 30th May 2021 at 11:11.

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    Fbay sellers are now being forced into MANAGED PAYMENTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bry1975 View Post
    Fbay sellers are now being forced into MANAGED PAYMENTS.
    How’s that relevant to the price analysis?🤔

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    I bought my SBS for £475 on eBay which seems to be in the right ballpark.

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    prices seem to have calmed down a bit in general recently. Couple of mid tier Seikos I have been interested in for a while have seen a similar slowdown in the selling price. Month or 2 ago they were going for 800ish, last few I’ve watched have just scraped past 700.

    I think there was a bit of lockdown boredom fuelling watch prices - I know I went on a bit of a spree. Now that things are opening up again I’m not spending nearly as much time stuck in house thinking about the next watch to buy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by enndriz View Post
    prices seem to have calmed down a bit in general recently. Couple of mid tier Seikos I have been interested in for a while have seen a similar slowdown in the selling price. Month or 2 ago they were going for 800ish, last few I’ve watched have just scraped past 700.

    I think there was a bit of lockdown boredom fuelling watch prices - I know I went on a bit of a spree. Now that things are opening up again I’m not spending nearly as much time stuck in house thinking about the next watch to buy!
    Yup, that makes a lot of sense👍

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    Today’s groundtruth: SBS L Dial Mk2.

    Seller’s take home after fees. £410 x 0.872 = £358

    Last edited by Brauner Hund; 31st July 2021 at 14:27.

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    Ebay MP fees supposedly 15% tho some saying 18%.

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    Friday special offer are supposedly 80% off final value fees.

    I’m on managed payments and was recently charged 3% for a sale.
    That was £63 + £5 postage.
    I got £65.96 into my bank
    Last edited by John Wall; 1st August 2021 at 11:07.

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    10 days of £2 fees ending today.

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    Chaps - shall we not turn a CWC price tracker thread into an ‘eBay thoughts’ thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brauner Hund View Post
    Just spent an idle moment calculating the seller’s ‘take home’ price, after 12.8% eBay fees ( these are the ‘ended’ values within the last several months).

    So… the ‘ended’ sale price x 0.872 is the ground truth of what , from a seller perspective, these watches went for:

    SBS:
    T luminova. £388
    87 reissue date £466
    87 reissue no date £492
    L dial. £402, £415, £412

    Silver:
    Quartz matte £371
    Quartz £349

    All rather lower than the general perception, I think?


    Today’s groundtruth: SBS L Dial Mk2.

    Seller’s take home after fees. £410 x 0.872 = £358


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    As we have discussed before, most of the modern stuff sold by Silvermans does tend to have up to a 30% immediate loss against the original list price when sold on. It is also interesting how many of these divers are listed and the serial number is not shown in the listings, leading me to wonder if they are part of the stolen batches.

    https://www.cwcwatch.com/blogs/news/...-care-of-fedex

    I would check the above link before buying anything recent on the second hand market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brauner Hund View Post
    Chaps - shall we not turn a CWC price tracker thread into an ‘eBay thoughts’ thread?
    Matt, I was pointing out that it wasn’t necessarily costing the seller as much as you may think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    I would check the above link before buying anything recent on the second hand market.
    Ken, were not all the stolen divers automatics ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    Ken, were not all the stolen divers automatics ?
    No I think there were a few SBS there as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    As we have discussed before, most of the modern stuff sold by Silvermans does tend to have up to a 30% immediate loss against the original list price when sold on. It is also interesting how many of these divers are listed and the serial number is not shown in the listings, leading me to wonder if they are part of the stolen batches.

    https://www.cwcwatch.com/blogs/news/...-care-of-fedex

    I would check the above link before buying anything recent on the second hand market.
    Those were only automatics ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    Matt, I was pointing out that it wasn’t necessarily costing the seller as much as you may think.
    👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wall View Post
    Ken, were not all the stolen divers automatics ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Brauner Hund View Post
    Those were only automatics ?
    Fair enough, but the heading of the thread does say CWC Diver, not CWC Quartz Divers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    No I think there were a few SBS there as well
    Yes John, there were some no date and date PVD’s but no day/dates à la the SBS




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    I saw a couple of these stolen automatics at a bricks and mortar auction house very soon after the theft and reported it straight away to CWC. I am led to understand that it didn't lead to any prosecution of recovery of the watches which, frankly, mystifies me.

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    Latest groundtruth:




    (eBay is currently awash with black CWC divers, all with front stickers in place, identical tins, and no photos of the casebacks)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brauner Hund View Post
    Latest groundtruth:


    (eBay is currently awash with black CWC divers, all with front stickers in place, identical tins, and no photos of the casebacks)
    I have not checked for ages
    Are they all from the same seller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    I have not checked for ages
    Are they all from the same seller?
    Not at first sight

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