Is this misaligned hand issue to do with the quick set hour hand and the modified GMT movement?
Genuine question - has there been any other microbrand that has gone from watches costing a few hundred to watches costing tens of thousands that quickly? If so, did the prices of the old offerings rise significantly too?
My gut feeling is I don't see anything indicating these are going to the moon. But then thats just a wild guess.
Haven't their prototype/one-offs already been in that area?
I suppose the fact that the secondary market prices of some of their previous standard releases has multiplied so much, they figure they can consistently release in that price bracket. I imagine they'll do ultra-limited/single piece releases at that price though.
Massena got in touch, they will arrange for it to go to Schwartz Etienne to sort out, that won't be until 3rd week Aug as Schwartz Etienne are closed for summer hols. It is what it is, Massena have been proactive in trying to sort this.
I think my one is ok. What do you guys think. Worst case scenario send back like Ryan's I guess.
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The 7 o'clock is the one where I felt there was the worst alignment so I guess it's probably ok. Didn't notice any problem when adjusting the hour hand independently.
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In hindsight a warning should have been the original launch on the Massena site. The black dial clearly has misalignment issues there as the minute hand is at 10 past but the hour hand is dead on 10!
https://www.massenalab.com/ming/
I'm already typing up the WTT. Wonder if it's 3/200 with an issue or 3/4. I'm sure they'll be double checking the next batch. Have to say the customer service and delivery etc.. has been excellent particularly the shipping. Got an email yesterday and arrived today.
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Another one on WUS so ALL 4! The last guy is more au fait with movements and says it is an issue with the movement as Ming have taken a GMT movement, used that to control the hours hand with the issue being that the tolerance on a GMT hand is very different to that of an hour hand and isn't anything that simply realigning the hour hand will sort. This could become a bit of a nightmare for Ming's PR as the soon to be delivered 17.09 Guilloche watches have the same movement and I cannot see how Ming can go ahead and deliver these knowing that the movement may not be fit for purpose. I suspect the Massenas may end up with the buyers offered a refund.
This could also be the thing that tarnishes Ming irreparably. I hope not and all will depend on how they deal with this.
Just thinking about this apparent slack in the movement leaving the hour hand misaligned - is it possible that after a period of time the slack gets picked up and the hand is pulled back into line?
I see this in some watches where if the time is set it takes a period for the slack to be taken up before the hands start moving.
Sorry to hear about this, and sorry for Ming and his brand. It may well be that taking a travellers GMT and morphing the 24h hand into an hour hand may not have been the right solution.
A jump hour hand on a two hander does seem a bit pointless
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They must have know they were shipping these with issues. Were they hoping nobody would point it out?
I can only see a three hander jumping hour being any benefit on a Grand Seiko 9F.
On a mechanical you actually get to reset your +/- seconds whilst changing the time.
I do wish Ming well.
From his posts on here, he seems considered and intelligent.
I hesitate to comment but I am now frankly amazed that the secondary market for watches is so ridiculous. The disconnect between value and material / build cost is obvious. Is this disconnect present to the same extent in other luxury goods sectors?
I popped in to Sevenoaks Sound and Vision the other day and they're experiencing supply pressure for a variety of reasons including the ship stuck at Suez, but prices appear to be static, at least for now.
I think people here and on WUS have been quite measured in the response to this issue. But Ming is getting quite an evisceration in a few private Facebook groups.
It is an unfortunate blunder and I hope they deal with it well, so as to minimise the loss of goodwill accumulated from the successful prior releases.
His fancy pictures ain’t gonna save him this time. Very embarrassing fail.
I dont want to see the guy fail its bad this has happened regarding the movement but these things do happen I hope he just holds his hands up and honours returns etc and sorts out the problem. He has a lot of good will out there especially on forums and granted, there will be people who may want to see him fall but maybe this whole thing is a bit of a reset for him to go back to his roots and producing high quality limited bespoke watches that people can enjoy. I may not like some of the watches he produces but that is just my opinion on the watch not the person behind it. Hope this is just a blip on the road and things work out.
Is the hand misalignment a common issue with all watches with a jump hour hand?
I have 2 watches with this function an Omega SM300MC and a Seiko Sun23
Both fall out of alignment when you use the quick jump hand, but it rectifies the misalignment as the time progresses (within the hour normally)
Do these watches do the same?
The GMT hand on my Fortis also fall out of sync when changed but again falls back in line quickly if left alone.
On inspecting the Massena again blimey is it beautiful in the metal. There is a real sense of depth to it, the dial really is sumptuous. I think I'll probably end up keeping it after all (obviously after it has been back to the menders).
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Unnaturally large in this photo due to taking it quite close, the watch feels tiny on the wrist.
I agree that in reply life the dial has a lot of depth, with the indices on the underside of the crystal above the raised outer ring and then the quite deep honeycomb, it feels like there's a lot there without being too busy... I know that makes sense!
Does the strap fit as poorly as it seems to do in the pictures in this thread? Looks an mm narrow at the lugs.
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I've been wearing mine since yesterday morning, it's been bang on. I don't know, wear it for a while and see what happens.
Why did Ming use this movement in a 2 hand watch?
I must admit that I thought it was a great idea and wished more companies would do it, and wrote why it was such a useful idea when the last person queried why it was in a 2 hander.
And mid way through writing it, I realised it really doesn't make any sense. There's no date, ho hacking seconds hand to worry about, no granular minutes markers and anyway it's a blunt tipped minute hand, so no visible accuracy to disrupt when changing time zones...it really doesn't make sense.
My guess is it's just a USP (and for good reason!).