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Thread: Will Paula Venells ever be held accountable?

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    The gong should certainly be withdrawn.

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    I have been reading the Wikipedia articles about Horizon and Paula Vennells, and the more I read the angrier I get that she has not been prosecuted for her behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classics View Post

    I suspect she will not now be offered any further Directorial or senior roles, as her name is now so toxic - given the very close link it has to this enormous and catestrophic miscarriage of justice.

    I do think there is a real need now for justice to be seen to be done. It cannot be right that nobody in an organisation that has wilfully and dishonestly inflicted so much misery on so many is every held personally accountable for the decision they made.
    So clever my foot fell off.

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    Can anyone help me to find PV's recent statement, please? There are quotes from it in various article but I have been unable to find the full text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingBanana View Post
    I suspect she will not now be offered any further Directorial or senior roles, as her name is now so toxic - given the very close link it has to this enormous and catestrophic miscarriage of justice.

    I do think there is a real need now for justice to be seen to be done. It cannot be right that nobody in an organisation that has wilfully and dishonestly inflicted so much misery on so many is every held personally accountable for the decision they made.
    Pretty sure people like her don't need to work again as they are financially well off, no mortgage and has a weekly/monthly fat pension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanford View Post
    The similarities between her and an old boss of mine are striking: not only are they physically very similar in appearance (rat like), they both possess that air of infallibility and superiority that so many in the top civil service seem to have - perhaps why/how they elevated themselves to those positions in the first place?

    Unfortunately, I doubt she will be made to suffer in the way that her 'victims' have.
    Interesting comment given that the first time I had the misfortune of seeing a picture of her, the immediate first impression I got was that there was plenty of the írodentí about her!

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    I thoroughly recommend Radio 4ís investigative journalism series on this Post Office scandal.

    There are 10 episodes on BBC sounds. Each episode is around 15 minutes and tell the story from the beginning to end

    Captivating listening.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m000jf7j

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    I read that the post office have distributed what they consider to be a generous £58 million. However, split that between 557 wronged parties... a hundred grand each, more or less. For a life, career and future destroyed. It isn't nothing but to me its absolutely insulting.

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    Itís Amazing how fast the media and the authorities have gone for Noel Clarke yet the post office board seem immune to prosecution, if youíre in the club youíre bulletproof

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevkojak View Post
    I read that the post office have distributed what they consider to be a generous £58 million. However, split that between 557 wronged parties... a hundred grand each, more or less. For a life, career and future destroyed. It isn't nothing but to me its absolutely insulting.
    I read that it was nearer £10k each as the legals had the bulk of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templogin View Post
    I read that it was nearer £10k each as the legals had the bulk of it.
    If you listen to the podcast on post #58, it says by the time legal fees are taken out, it would average out at £20k each, with some getting more and some less.

    A pitiful amount, but the claimants did settle with the PO out of court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    If you listen to the podcast on post #58, it says by the time legal fees are taken out, it would average out at £20k each, with some getting more and some less.

    A pitiful amount, but the claimants did settle with the PO out of court.
    Whilst I didnít fund this case, Iíve been at the forefront of Litigation Funding since itís inception in 2007 and prior to that, insuring the downside risk of litigation, ďAfter the EventĒ Insurance.

    Sadly, itís a very expensive - all cases if they go to trial end up with 50/50 odds - necessity unless you are very wealthy.

    The Tories really havenít helped with their slavish libertarian dribbling which first saw court fees increased for cases valued at over £200K from £400 to £10,000! Users should pay donít you know, not us non users and then they sucked up to their insurer donors by making my premiums unrecoverable from the other side in costs as they previously had been, unless its libel for some reason.

    Itís funny to work in an industry youíd happily see ended with a return to Legal Aid again. Sadly, I donít see that happening ever so justice will either remain out of reach or involve very expensive Third Party Funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    If you listen to the podcast on post #58, it says by the time legal fees are taken out, it would average out at £20k each, with some getting more and some less.

    A pitiful amount, but the claimants did settle with the PO out of court.
    Thanks for the correction. I don't have a BBC account, so hadn't listened to the series.

    The loss of Legal Aid is certainly a loss for the poor. I always thought that justice for all was one of the foundations for civilised nations Buffoon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templogin View Post
    Thanks for the correction. I don't have a BBC account, so hadn't listened to the series.

    The loss of Legal Aid is certainly a loss for the poor. I always thought that justice for all was one of the foundations for civilised nations Buffoon?
    It was, and it should be. It most certainly isnít now.

    I could give literally hundreds of examples where unfortunate folks have had to use our services and walked away with only 50% of the damages that were calculated to the last penny by the judge as putting them back in the same position they had been prior to whatever necessitated the litigation.

    If your case is claiming under £100,000, donít even bother, the economics work out so badly we canít help while keeping our reputation intact. Once again, Iíve got some horrible examples of those, little old ladies ripped off for what remains of their savings, restaurant on a self repairing lease with criminal damage unrepaired etc.

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    It was, and it should be. It most certainly isnít now.

    I could give literally hundreds of examples where unfortunate folks have had to use our services and walked away with only 50% of the damages that were calculated to the last penny by the judge as putting them back in the same position they had been prior to whatever necessitated the litigation.

    If your case is claiming under £100,000, donít even bother, the economics work out so badly we canít help while keeping our reputation intact. Once again, Iíve got some horrible examples of those, little old ladies ripped off for what remains of their savings, restaurant on a self repairing lease with criminal damage unrepaired etc.
    Jupiter forgot to say that it is impossible to recover your costs if found not guilty of a motoring offence since 2013, I found that one out the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Jupiter forgot to say that it is impossible to recover your costs if found not guilty of a motoring offence since 2013, I found that one out the hard way.
    Oh yes! While I donít get involved in criminal cases, youíd never recover anything like what you need to spend to clear yourself. I know of a doctor accused wrongly of a crime who spent £97,000 on his defence and received £2,400 back towards that, roughly what theyíd have spent on the defence via legal aid. No justice at all.

    At least it plays well to the gammon and the librarian twats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebuffoon View Post

    At least it plays well to the gammon and the librarian twats.
    What have you got against librarians!!

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    Thete will be many small claims mixed up in this. I happen to knoow one eex postmaster who was deemed to owe £5000. He has received £6500 in compensation so is quite happy. Mind you, he didn't have his reputation dragged through the mud. He tells me that weekly totalling often didn't agree (with Horizon) with discrepancies almost every week. The Help Desk simply said they couldn't help so there was obviously a big failing there as well.

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    More subpostmasters cleared:

    The Court of Appeal has cleared 12 more former subpostmasters who were wrongly convicted of offences during the Post Office Horizon scandal.

    It brings the total of judgements overturned to 57, but hundreds more are hoping for similar decisions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    More subpostmasters cleared:

    The Court of Appeal has cleared 12 more former subpostmasters who were wrongly convicted of offences during the Post Office Horizon scandal.

    It brings the total of judgements overturned to 57, but hundreds more are hoping for similar decisions...
    Itís criminal itís taking so long Öthe initial issue was a disgrace but the delay correcting it is even worse.

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    Post Office workers to get up to £100,000 interim payouts

    Post Office workers who have had their convictions for theft, fraud and false accounting Ė the result of computing errors Ė quashed will each get an interim compensation payment of up to £100,000 the government has said.

    In a written statement to the Commons on Thursday, the business secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng, said the government was supporting the Post Office to provide the cash before final compensation settlements were agreed.

    The announcement came three days after 12 more Post Office workers had their convictions quashed at the court of appeal. Mondayís judgment took the total number of Post Office workers to be cleared to 57. They had been convicted because the defective Horizon IT system falsely suggested there were cash shortfalls.

    Campaigners believe that as many as 900 operators may have been prosecuted and convicted between 2000 and 2014, in one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in British legal history...

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    A welcome, if token, development:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-cbe-official/

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    It's a very small start, but it's just a gong.

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