Looks like new carbon cased DOXAs are on the way. Doxa posted this on Instagram:
And this image was apparently found on the Doxa European website before later being removed:
So it looks like carbon Sub 300s in all the usual DOXA colours are to be released.
I was tempted by the first carbon cased limited edition last year but I'm not sure the solid coloured dial works quite as well. If the price is a bit lower, I might be tempted.
Last edited by TH14TH14; 15th March 2021 at 21:34.
What would the durability be like on a carbon watch?
I know most people are unlikely to wear their subs in the bath but should one wish to take it diving would a carbon cased watch hold up to the knocks and scrapes? I would have thought thin sections of the case like lugs or the bezel would be especially vulnerable. It looks good though
Last edited by Sinnlover; 15th March 2021 at 21:49.
I love the concept, not sure about the execution. Maybe in another colour...
I bought a cheap (Hanowa, £80) carbon-cased diver as a beater last year - in no small part because I fancy one of Formex's much-pricier carbon-cased watches but don't entirely trust the tech, so the Hanowa serves as a cheap proof-of-concept. So far no trace of any damage despite being one of the watches I wear for DIY, paddock work, gardening, etc. As it's resin-bonded, these are fundamentally plastic-cased watches - so I assume they will scratch, but presumably less-so that say a G-Shock, and this stuff is torsionally strong.Originally Posted by Sinnlover
Have to say I like the look of the orange-dialled Doxa, but their prices usually seem a mite too ambitious to me.
They're out now:
https://doxawatches.com/collections/sub-300-carbon
Quite like the Sharkhunter. The price to buy direct from Doxa is 3890 USD. I think that even with import taxes this would probably work out a little cheaper than buying from a UK AD at £3750 unless you can get a discount.
Last edited by TH14TH14; 16th March 2021 at 11:51.
Carbon fibre is incredibly tough so I would have no concerns about it holding up to a few knocks. I would have thought scratching it would be easier than metal though.
I think they look really great - I see UK Price is £3,750 - so that's for a COSC Movement.
I think its not too bad a price; but like many I do worry about the long term nature of the material.
Ive seen some carbon cased AP ROO (Bumblebee) that had taken on a slightly hairy/whiskery appearance on the edges from where the carbon frays slightly. Doesn't look amazing.
Love the looks, but £3,750 is a comfortable £2K more than I'd be prepared to pay, so I'm out.
These are intriguing - look a bit like pre-patinated bronze watches, albeit in different colours.
I just had an email sales pitch from them. Love the look of the watches in certain colours and was thinking £1500-1800, virtually the same as you. Then I saw the price.....ouch, it's a no from me also.
Love the looks, but £3,750 is a comfortable £2K more than I'd be prepared to pay, so I'm out.
It strikes me that Hanowa can sell carbon-cased watches for £80, and bigger outfits like Victorinox can offer a fully configurable watch for £600, so there is clearly nothing outstandingly expensive involved in making such watches. This being so, why pitch so high? Design and tooling are the main costs, so selling (say) 4x the number of watches at half the price makes a lot of sense.
Best of luck to them, but I'll be looking for hefty discounts 18 months from now...
Considering the level of prestige brand, inhouse movement and general specification that can be had for less, this is a massive error of pricing isn't it?
Even a big brand offer like a Pelagos can be bought for less.
Perhaps a lot sooner!
The price is eye-watering. They are surely taking the emiction?
Always fancied an orange Sub300 but at that price and with that horrible carbon fibre case? No thanks.
Cheers,
Neil.
I think the searambler (silver/grey) looks awesome but they have got it really wrong with the pricing!
Maybe synchron can come with something similar for half the price!
I was vaguely interested, but the price put paid to that.
M
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Well, you can buy 3 of them for the price of the recent Bremont E-type limited edition, so technically they are a bargain!!!!
To be fait a TAG Aquaracer Carbon is £3,400. a Omega Seamster 300 is £4,170 (ok I accept that's now got a Co-axil in it)
At the end of the day Doxa are a luxury watch brand - so yeah, I'd like it to be cheaper; but all watches appear to have increased significantly in price over the last few years - I don't think this is priced outrageously.
The thing is I don't see them as a luxury watch brand nor will Joe Public. Unless you have read a Clive Custler book who will know what they are, they are not found on the high street much so nobody knows about them.
They are a niche watch maker one step up from a micro brand, there is nothing wrong with that but they are small volume maker, sold in specialist shops without the infrastructure, manufacturing base or marketing behind them.
I don't think you can compare them with Omega, Tag or even Bremont, they are more akin to Squale or Steinhart, Again nothing wrong with either, I have owned both. The a high price does raise questions on profit margins achieved and numbers sold.
I would not be spending 4k on one of these when the Seamaster is not a lot more.
Last edited by Sinnlover; 16th March 2021 at 15:24.
They remind me - in a good way - of the 80’s Tag Heuer entry level formula 1 range, which came in a range of - I believe - some sort of glass fibre reinforced case with a rubber strap. They were £79 and the metal cased option was £99 (!). They had non screw down crowns but were all rated to 200m. I wore one as a teenager (actually I had a few) and they were very tough, I can’t remember any of the cases showing any kind of damage. They were an entry level quartz in the late 80’s admittedly but even taking that into account the price of these - which basically look like a great beach/t shirt watch - seems insane imho
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I would agree with you that, up until a couple of years ago, they were effectively a microbrand - at least in Europe and the USA.
However, they do do a vast range of different watches in Asia - and as I understand it the Jenny Family wanted to capitalise on the name and recognition that it had. Hence the change in management - the fact that they now have Authorised Dealers - and the fact that these AO's are being rolled out across the world.
So, now I would disagree with you 🙂
Its great to see them pushing in the market place, and I can understand the logic capitalising on the sports watches but I cannot see Doxa subs ever being more than a niche WIS watch. At this price point there are more established players out there, its a crowded segment and they don't have cache of others.
The perfect strapline for their ads
- is the nub of it. I love the navy one and went flying to the keyboard but reeled back in shock at the RRP.
£3750..God loves a trier!
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I like them, but makes me even happier with my stainless steel Sub 300T at nearly £2k less...
Time and Tide have a video of them. Must admit I think they look rather gorgeous.
https://youtu.be/v4giiFZg5Hw
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I really like them. As with the steel 300, I’m finding it difficult to pick a favourite, but sadly at that price point I doubt I will be buying one. Shame.
Wasn’t sure from the pics, but in the time & tide video they look gorgeous
Me too. I’m another one who loves the look, but it’s a no to the price. What a shame!
I promise I am not anti Doxa or on a mission to slate everything they do, but...
In the video they look like an air-fix kit. They look a lot more plasticky than I expected. I cannot see them selling many.
Ok I promise to say nothing but positives about Doxa from now on. I really want a vintage sub. I often kick myself about one I turned down that was used during the Sealab experiment.
While I like the carbon case, Longines’ ceramic all-black HydroConquest looks much classier:
https://www.longines.com/universe/fi...-hydroconquest
And the ceramic HydroConquest is less expensive than the Doxa to boot.
Sorry but IMHO the retail prices are utterly ridiculous.
They look really good but my other concern (as mentioned previously by others) is the durability of the case material.
The retail on the limited edition is even worse ( but it looks pretty good too):
Last edited by j111dja; 16th March 2021 at 22:03.
If a used silver dial variant appeared in a few years for £1,500 then yes.
With that LE, I thought it was a cool and rare watch, a fun one-off which they could charge whatever they wanted for (like the solid gold g-shocks for 70k). It was a bit easier to write it off as an unobtainable curiosity.Sorry but IMHO the retail prices are utterly ridiculous.
They look really good but my other concern (as mentioned previously by others) is the durability of the case material.
The retail on the limited edition is even worse ( but it looks pretty good too):
There’s something about these new releases which seems like they are both overpriced for a regular production model and make the LE seem more preposterous at its price.
I really like the Searambler with the silver dial, but as with others up thread, the price point is just too high for me. I already own a Doxa 1500T, and really like them, but at this price level it's a 'major' watch purchase for me, the once every year or two level, and there are other watches within reach at that money that are always going to be more of a draw.
I do like that... except that the US Divers logo looks like an *ahem* frank and beans.Sorry but IMHO the retail prices are utterly ridiculous.
They look really good but my other concern (as mentioned previously by others) is the durability of the case material.
The retail on the limited edition is even worse ( but it looks pretty good too):
Take that off it and knock a couple of grand off the price and it’s a lovely looking prospect... Most Doxa look really good to my eyes but those prices...
So anyone buy one and what the feedback ??
Am thinking of the acquamarine but like a lot of those below I am holding up given the price….
Someone has the white pearl version and it looks superb.
I can’t swing that far unfortunately but the carbon squale is tempting me at 1/3 price and similar brand heritage
I like the T183, i'm just not sure about the choice of blue. I can't help but feel like orange would have been a better contrast.
I’ve had the Whitepearl version for a few weeks now and really like it. Whilst I’ve been interested in the carbon Doxas ever since the release of the original LE, I didn’t take the plunge until this model came out.
Whilst I liked the standard models with the bright dials, I thought that I’d probably tire of them over time and they’d be a bit more noticeable than I’d like. And possibly a bright colour with the silver / grey swirling pattern in the carbon case might be a bit too much. I wasn’t keen on the Aqualung logo of the LE and ultimately, I found the Sharkhunter and Searambler models a bit boring. The Whitepearl solved all those issues and I love full lume dials so I finally bought one. In person, the monochrome colour scheme of the Whitepearl works really well with the charcoal colour of the case, especially with a grey strap. The lumed dial is excellent too - I’ve always found Doxa lume disappointingly weak and this definitely isn’t!
Like you, I always felt that the carbon models were a bit too expensive, even with the various discounts I’ve been offered. However, there’s nothing else quite like it. If you like the Sub 300, it feels like a really special version of the watch. It’s down to you whether you like it enough to spend the extra money though. Personally, I love the way the Sub 300 case fits - the outer case is so thin and sits so low to the wrist. When you combine that with the light weight of the carbon case, it’s amazing to wear - it feels and looks superb IMO.
The downside is the stock rubber strap. Whilst I like the way it flares out to integrate with the case, it’s too thick IMO. Also, I find the clasp too bulky - it’s like the larger Sinn clasp if you’re familiar with those.
If you do decide to buy, I’d recommend getting in touch with Wallace & Allan. Ian provides excellent customer service.
Last edited by TH14TH14; 24th July 2022 at 15:11.
That is very good looking, nice buy.
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Luckily they do an orange hand version too.
I’m a fan of the 300 and the carbon is very nice , love the look of the white version just posted by TH14TH14
I brought this one from eBay for £2000
And with the other aqua-lungs versions I have
£2000 is a great deal! I once bought the LE Carbon from eBay for £2600 and thought I was doing well! The watch never arrived though. The seller did their bit but the eBay authenticator sent the watch to the wrong address and it never turned up! Thankfully eBay fully refunded me (from their pocket, not the seller's, who was blameless).
Actually my bad just looked at my eBay purchases and it was £2500 not £2000
Makes me wonder if the person who got yours sold it on eBay to me? When did you buy yours?
Mind you it went through the eBay authenticity process so I’m sure it would have been picked up if reported stolen
Last edited by Balance wheel; 24th July 2022 at 19:07.
Still a bargain at that!
(My posts keep deleting when I try to edit them on mobile. Anyone else having this problem?)
I bought the watch in late September 21 and finally got the refund in November. The watch was sent to my address but it was marked as being in the Republic of Ireland and I'm based in Northern Ireland. I think it must have got caught in customs in the ROI - eBay weren't able to locate it though. So unless it was in fact stolen en route or it was finally returned to the authenticator / eBay who decided to sell it on after refunding me it shouldn't be the same watch.
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