New Car / Dream Car

[luckyal]

I kept thinking about this all afternoon. I think the key is what a "dream car" is to you. I had this conversation with my father-in-law last year when he sold one of his classics and had the cash burning a hole in his pocket. After some soul searching he realised he was bored more than actually excited about a particular car, so he got a V10 RS6 to scratch the itch, without blowing the lot, until he figures out what he really wants. I feel cars such as the GTR and various hyper saloons are like that. They will thrill for a while, but people don't generally fall in love with them.

I will throw in a curveball, the original Honda NSX!

Actually this has reminded me of someone i know well, CEO of a Large Co so well able to fill a garage of exotica, but unable to choose what with. He spent £25k on a year's car club with the view he'd get the most fun out of it he could, try the lot and make a few choices.
Not all of his experiences were good, some he loved but for various practical reasons didn't want & then went out at the end of a year & bought a RR. He did later add a California, after the birth of his first child.

Another curveball, being a car club for a year & reduced budget at the end (i know that's lost money though) ?

[Happyal]

I think the McLaren was around £5k for annual warranty after the factory warranty expired, and maybe £1k+ annual servicing, plus whatever bits and pieces needed doing on top - tyres, clutch, etc. :(

Yes, there are quite a few 911’s here, but I’m not too bothered about being just another, as I already experience that enough with Rolex ownership ;)

Jacksons arrgghh. Indeed enough said, but I’m resigned to the fact that I’d probably go off island to service/maintain whatever car I bought.

I wouldn’t buy a JLR product. I’m sure some are ok, but friends have had nothing but trouble, and my ex’s uncle was one of their project leads and we could have had a great family discount on a new car, but still weren’t interest.

I think I’ll probably settle on some kind of mix of a BMW and a fun Porsche. Probably quite telling as that’s two of the cars I currently own, so I’d just be exchanging the models for hopefully better ones, and a buy more fun.

Holly molly, £5k for the warranty, that's insane, but it goes to show you that they expect it to fail so they have to make their money somewhere.

911's are awesome, just need to decide which model you like :D

I have a BMW with a warrenty, so I have used Jacksons a few times, and they are....... well better than they were before, but I'm certainly not a fan. I use Scott Taylors in Ramsey, and would be happy to recommend the garage for servicing.

A second hand M4 would be a great choice to go with a 911, sounds like a good mix. They are fairly cheap as they sold (and leased) loads so there is plenty of choice too.

I kept thinking about this all afternoon. I think the key is what a "dream car" is to you. I had this conversation with my father-in-law last year when he sold one of his classics and had the cash burning a hole in his pocket. After some soul searching he realised he was bored more than actually excited about a particular car, so he got a V10 RS6 to scratch the itch, without blowing the lot, until he figures out what he really wants. I feel cars such as the GTR and various hyper saloons are like that. They will thrill for a while, but people don't generally fall in love with them.

I completely agree with this, I feel like I'm getting old as almos all modern cars just don't do anything for me. I'm not interested in how fast it is, their top speed, all the toys they have now, etc. I want to car that makes you feel special, most new cars I find so boring.

[adrianw]

I’ve looked at both the new 4 litre Astons - I’m not against them at all. I’d need a better idea of servicing and as Al has pointed out above, the local agent would again be Jackson’s - I’m happy with a handful of Porsche specialists in the U.K. but have no experience of Aston. A client has had some very big bills in the past though on his V12. So there is definitely an Aston Martin tax built in ;)

The four litre Astons are AMG GTs with different clothes on, so a known quantity

[dade.c]

Don’t know if you are into classics, but I would consider a 993 (either 4S or Turbo) in that price range. Turbo likely going to be on the very upper hand of the budget but going to hold value well, possibly even appreciate over time.
993 4S + M2 would do for me.


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[Omegamanic]

Another curveball, being a car club for a year & reduced budget at the end (i know that's lost money though) ?

It might be more of an option if I was more conveniently located to take advantage of trying a number of cars over a year, but having to get them here and back on a ferry each time wouldn’t be much fun, on top of the lost cost to put towards the chosen car.

Holly molly, £5k for the warranty, that's insane, but it goes to show you that they expect it to fail so they have to make their money somewhere.

911's are awesome, just need to decide which model you like :D

I have a BMW with a warrenty, so I have used Jacksons a few times, and they are....... well better than they were before, but I'm certainly not a fan. I use Scott Taylors in Ramsey, and would be happy to recommend the garage for servicing.

A second hand M4 would be a great choice to go with a 911, sounds like a good mix. They are fairly cheap as they sold (and leased) loads so there is plenty of choice too.


I completely agree with this, I feel like I'm getting old as almos all modern cars just don't do anything for me. I'm not interested in how fast it is, their top speed, all the toys they have now, etc. I want to car that makes you feel special, most new cars I find so boring.

I think the last time I looked, in 2019 the McLaren warranty was £4850 to renew for 12 months if the cars warranty had expired - or £3650 if you extended it prior to the initial new factory warranty expiring.

Ive also used Scott when he was part of Taylor Clarke - they helped strip out my Subaru P1 motor (after my brother borrowed it and the toffee engine gave up) and pallet it over to the UK for a full forged rebuild and then reinstall it with very nice power increase. If I had lots of additional garage space I’d have loved to have kept that car.

Something that feels different/special would be nice. I’ve always had that with jumping into a Porsche. The 720s felt incredibly special, but being sensible it’s probably a little outside my means.

The four litre Astons are AMG GTs with different clothes on, so a known quantity

Yes, I thought they effectively shared power trains and electrics. So should be slightly less tricky than earlier Astons in that respect. I wonder if it’s possible to avoid the AM tax by being better informed. I read that a Lamborghini owner bought some R8 bits (brakes or clutch parts maybe) which were the same parts, but from Lamborghini they were more than twice the price than sourced from Audi.

[Omegamanic]

Don’t know if you are into classics, but I would consider a 993 (either 4S or Turbo) in that price range. Turbo likely going to be on the very upper hand of the budget but going to hold value well, possibly even appreciate over time.
993 4S + M2 would do for me.


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I loved them at the time, and an old work colleague had the Turbo. But I’ve since driven a 993 again, and as much as I love the look, I really don’t think I could live with/driver one on more than a special occasion basis.

Ideally, the car I choose would become my main driver, and if required I’d have a cheaper more practical for the occasions I really need more space etc.

[Barton Red]

The new mustang Mach1 is a lot of car for the money. Worth considering and leaves you a chunk of cash for another car. I run two mustangs (2017 & 1965) great owners groups and still unusual enough to turn heads.

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The new mustang Mach1 is a lot of car for the money. Worth considering and leaves you a chunk of cash for another car. I run two mustangs (2017 & 1965) great owners groups and still unusual enough to turn heads.

[Weirdfish]

My choice would be the noble M12 GTO 3R. and it's stable mate would be the best Nissan GTR you could afford, although it could push you through your budget a little.
The former I've owned, and believe me it's bloody quick if it's been well sorted, I raced a bike once, ( 600cc ), from one roundabout to another, let's just say i got there first, I've also owned a few bikes, ( ZZR1100 ), so I know speed when I feel it.
The latter is on my to do list, I've driven one on a driver experience day and absolutely loved it, it's so usable, bloody rapid but won't catch you out, and launch control is something else.

[mjc1216]

My mate just bought a Porsche Macan GTS the latest model...fully loaded it was around 70k probably not your cup of tea but it's probably a one car does all solution.

[Justin Case]

It would be A Cayman GTS out of that lot
PDK version of the 718 4 litre is now out.
Don't see any advantage in a 911 over a Cayman especially with the size of 911s now.

Much fuss is made of having the manual but all the motoring journos seem to poo-poo the gearbox for being too long. Perhaps PDK is indeed the answer for these.

Maybe it’s actually a disadvantage but you can obviously fit small children in the back of a 911. Or your dog/wife/shopping.

[Omegamanic]

The PDK is definitely the answer. As the gearing is just crazy. Well over 121mph in 3rd gear on the GT4!

[Hood]

If you don't fancy the new GTS(which if the 981GTS is anything to go by will suffer very slow depreciation) then you could think about the 981GTS
Arguably a nicer design though I'm 50/50 on that.
You would be about 45-50K on one.

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My mate just bought a Porsche Macan GTS the latest model...fully loaded it was around 70k probably not your cup of tea but it's probably a one car does all solution.

Got one on order

[Omegamanic]

If you don't fancy the new GTS(which if the 981GTS is anything to go by will suffer very slow depreciation) then you could think about the 981GTS
Arguably a nicer design though I'm 50/50 on that.
You would be about 45-50K on one.

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Got one on order

I actually much prefer the 2.5 718 GTS to a 981 GTS. The engine noise/note is almost irrelevant to me.

& although I could do a 4x4 as a second car, it just wouldn’t be my choice for a fun petrol car.

[jaytip]

I know it’s the top end of your budget but I’d be looking at the NSX.
It’s far rarer than the 911, it’s a Honda so it will be reliable and it’s often referred to as a junior 918 which is praise indeed.

[Omegamanic]

The NSX is top of the budget, and would still require a 2nd car.

I believe there are only 2 U.K. Honda dealers that can service them, and both are South.

The other scare is the supposed price of Honda carbon ceramics, which look like twice the price of most others to replace :(

[mondie]

I have considered the new NSX which is stunning and done a lot of reading on it. I am a huge fan of the brand and value Honda engineering and reliability but there is no way I would consider one. The parts prices are outrageous and as Scott says the dealer network is non existent, the complexity of the car rules out any aftermarket servicing so you are stuck with two Honda dealers who's main business is much more mundane machinery. It just isn't an attractive choice in the UK.

[Omegamanic]

As you say.

It’s a shame really. As with it being a Honda, I would expect very good reliability, with an over engineered approach. Good for long term ownership, but it would appear that it’s just not a truly viable option.

[luckyhands]

718 GT4 with PDK?
Here's my GT4 with my bro's i8. Sorry for the crap photo!

[Omegamanic]

I can’t wait to try the GT4 PDK, but part of my thinks that buying an older GT3 PDK might be the better mid term buy in that scenario.

How does your brother like his i8. It seems a real sense of occasion, but I appreciate they lack the ultimate performance of a true sports car - but I’m getting older lol

[snowman]

Considered a last generation Dodge Viper?

I drove one on a supercar experience a couple of years ago and it was incredibly wieldy as well as shockingly quick, which really surprised me having driven the previous generation once, which wasn't.

Not sure there are many in the UK, though, and servicing might be a challenge, but you're not going to meet many coming the other way!

M

[Andyg]

You want to find a car that will be an event every time you wash it, every time you drive it and even every time you look at it. For me it would be a Porsche 911, air cooled first, but I wouldn’t kick a 996 Turbo, GT3 or even a really nice 928 out of bed.

Alternatives might be a Merc CL600 or even 190E Cosworth. Failing that something like 60’s GTO or a Plymouth Superbee or even a Modern Rolls Royce Phantom - certainly an event.

At the end of the day people can make suggestions but ultimately only you can make the choice.

Good luck with your search

[Omegamanic]

Considered a last generation Dodge Viper?

I drove one on a supercar experience a couple of years ago and it was incredibly wieldy as well as shockingly quick, which really surprised me having driven the previous generation once, which wasn't.

Not sure there are many in the UK, though, and servicing might be a challenge, but you're not going to meet many coming the other way!

M

That’s a great suggestion. Maybe not many choices though.

You want to find a car that will be an event every time you wash it, every time you drive it and even every time you look at it. For me it would be a Porsche 911, air cooled first, but I wouldn’t kick a 996 Turbo, GT3 or even a really nice 928 out of bed.

Alternatives might be a Merc CL600 or even 190E Cosworth. Failing that something like 60’s GTO or a Plymouth Superbee or even a Modern Rolls Royce Phantom - certainly an event.

At the end of the day people can make suggestions but ultimately only you can make the choice.

Good luck with your search

Absolutely. Very good points, and some lovely additional suggestions too.

Lots of thinking to do. It’s a shame the lockdown is still on, as my first step would be to try as many of the options as possible, then try to select the points I like the most about them, and then narrow down a v short list of options that best meet that criteria. But a sense of occasion, or something that makes me smile has to be high on the list.

[luckyhands]

he dailies the i8, it's pretty comfortable for that but the boot is ridiculous! It's probably as fast as the GT4 in terms of acceleration, at least to 60.
Problem is the skinny tyres on it doesn't allow for full exploitation of the chassis. the GT4 is more of an occasion for me, I've got the carbon buckets and Clubsport pack and it really does make it feel so much more of an occasion.
I did think a 991.1 GT3 but, for me, I wanted a plug and play solution. I suspect in the short to medium term, whilst a brand new GT4 will take a hit, the running costs and risk of a huge bill on the 991.1GT3 is something to consider.
The fact that I could spec my own, brand new GT4 helped guide the decision. (in the future maybe the dealership will consider me for a GT3...who knows?)

Also if you're close to Yorkshire, let me know if you want to look/compare both of the cars! Would happily take you out in them.

[mrpgkennedy]

the only thing i can advise on is i have an ariel atom

it is a toy and only a toy, every drive is an event, you get photographed or waved at alot

it feels like it shouldn't be allowed on the road

you can keep up with bikes and then have the remember not to run them over when it comes to corners and braking

very little but hypercars can keep up with you upto about 90, but you don't want to go much faster then that as it makes your face hurt too much

driving it makes me feel alive more then anything else, the noise, the feel of the car, how controllable it is, how you feel the heat of the sun on your face, when you drive through dappled shade you can feel the cool air and smell it

BUT it is only a toy

so i have a supercharged 3.5 but with the 3 instruments, i'm old fashioned give me two white on black dials rather then an lcd screen

i've driven the 4, there have been further improvements in some components but the turbo charged engine is not as good, more accessible but doesn't scream

servicing is cheap, fuel is cheap, i don't do that many miles but i'm grinning as i do all of them, and they seem to be increasing in price

[Omegamanic]

he dailies the i8, it's pretty comfortable for that but the boot is ridiculous! It's probably as fast as the GT4 in terms of acceleration, at least to 60.
Problem is the skinny tyres on it doesn't allow for full exploitation of the chassis. the GT4 is more of an occasion for me, I've got the carbon buckets and Clubsport pack and it really does make it feel so much more of an occasion.
I did think a 991.1 GT3 but, for me, I wanted a plug and play solution. I suspect in the short to medium term, whilst a brand new GT4 will take a hit, the running costs and risk of a huge bill on the 991.1GT3 is something to consider.
The fact that I could spec my own, brand new GT4 helped guide the decision. (in the future maybe the dealership will consider me for a GT3...who knows?)

Also if you're close to Yorkshire, let me know if you want to look/compare both of the cars! Would happily take you out in them.

Cheers, very useful. I’m IOM based but North West is usually easier to travel to. Well, when there wasn’t lockdown etc.

the only thing i can advise on is i have an ariel atom

it is a toy and only a toy, every drive is an event, you get photographed or waved at alot

it feels like it shouldn't be allowed on the road

you can keep up with bikes and then have the remember not to run them over when it comes to corners and braking

very little but hypercars can keep up with you upto about 90, but you don't want to go much faster then that as it makes your face hurt too much

driving it makes me feel alive more then anything else, the noise, the feel of the car, how controllable it is, how you feel the heat of the sun on your face, when you drive through dappled shade you can feel the cool air and smell it

BUT it is only a toy

so i have a supercharged 3.5 but with the 3 instruments, i'm old fashioned give me two white on black dials rather then an lcd screen

i've driven the 4, there have been further improvements in some components but the turbo charged engine is not as good, more accessible but doesn't scream

servicing is cheap, fuel is cheap, i don't do that many miles but i'm grinning as i do all of them, and they seem to be increasing in price

Damn, just when I was happy to write off any extreme choices lol.

I spoken with Ariel, and how have a pricelist for optional extras - of which it looks like quite a few thousand pounds really needs to be added, but I’ll have a very good look. Only issue is that 28 months anticipated wait for a build slot. I do love the Honda 2.0 Turbo engine though, and the power to weight ratio looks like a nice fun tool. It could be a real consideration for an additional toy instead of yet another motorbike, but I’ll need something to keep me entertained for the next 2.5 years :)

[Hood]

Alternatives might be a Merc CL600 or even 190E Cosworth. Failing that something like 60’s GTO or a Plymouth Superbee or even a Modern Rolls Royce Phantom - certainly an event.

I had a 190E 2.5 Cosworth back in the day.
Great car and built like a tank.
Would be found wanting in this sort of company though.

[Yorkshiremadmick]

I own an R129 Merc SL
I would say look at this beauty.

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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-det...02101218214952


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[pete-r]

GT4 would be my choice

[WarrenVrs]

For £100k for me the only choice would be a Tesla Model S in Performance Spec. Nothing petrol is getting close to the acceleration unless you have Bugatti money. Practical too which seemed to be one of your requirements

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As a driver, rabid acceleration is the only thing it offers. And that gets dull quickly.

[lenlec]

718 GT4 with PDK?
Here's my GT4 with my bro's i8. Sorry for the crap photo!

Very nice. How you finding the gt4 ?
I get my pdk gt4 next week. Havnt gone all out on the options though

[mtagrant]

If you are looking for a sense of occasion every time you drive, then for me it is not a 911. They are great cars - I had a 991 Carrera S for two years with the sports exhaust and PDK. I swapped out for an AMG GT, and that really is a sense of occasion. The noise is amazing, and the interior is a step up. In the right colour, they really look fantastic. Is it as good and pure a driver’s car than the 911? No, but I enjoy it more

[Alex L]

If you are looking for a sense of occasion every time you drive, then for me it is not a 911. They are great cars - I had a 991 Carrera S for two years with the sports exhaust and PDK. I swapped out for an AMG GT, and that really is a sense of occasion. The noise is amazing, and the interior is a step up. In the right colour, they really look fantastic. Is it as good and pure a driver’s car than the 911? No, but I enjoy it more

Thankfully everyone is different. For me the sense of occasion I get from cars is stepping into something I wouldn’t want to drive everyday. The AMG GT is an awesome car and I drove one from London to Spa and back in a day, including a track day. It’s fast, sounds great but it’s a huge car in terms of length and width but civilised enough to be driven everyday. I’d put a modern 911 in the same bracket unless it was a GT3/RS. My Lotus 2-Eleven and Exige S gave me the sense of occasion and as would an Atom or Nomad.

An M4 at circa £30k will give 95% of the thrills of an M4 Comp, without the savage depreciation. Then something like a 993 or other classic or Atom etc for the weekend and you’ll be able to recoup most of your outlay when you come to sell.

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The i8 that did absolutely nothing for me, not fast or practical. Had to be careful how close you parked next to things for fear of bashing the doors

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[Omegamanic]

I own an R129 Merc SL
I would say look at this beauty.

on Auto Trader:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-det...02101218214952


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Very nice :)

Although I might be looking at the S Class convertible or maybe even push the budget and go for an SLS instead if I was going in that direction. It might not help that one of my neighbours has his black V12 SL parked outside next to our little Fiat 500 every day lol

GT4 would be my choice

Excellent choice.

As a driver, rabid acceleration is the only thing it offers. And that gets dull quickly.

Very nice. How you finding the gt4 ?
I get my pdk gt4 next week. Havnt gone all out on the options though

As above. I’m looking forward to seeing some real world impressions. It could definitely be a future consideration. I love the look of the 718’s, but much preferred the PDK for my local driving, and everyone I know who has one, or test driven one has/had an issue with the tall gearing on the 981’s and the newer 4.0 manual 718’s. Can’t believe how much it has blunted the acceleration times (on paper at least) against the heavier 911 - did they do that on purpose?

If you are looking for a sense of occasion every time you drive, then for me it is not a 911. They are great cars - I had a 991 Carrera S for two years with the sports exhaust and PDK. I swapped out for an AMG GT, and that really is a sense of occasion. The noise is amazing, and the interior is a step up. In the right colour, they really look fantastic. Is it as good and pure a driver’s car than the 911? No, but I enjoy it more

It does come down to what you are used to I guess. While I’ve owned some fairly quick real world cars, I’ve never owned anything super car quick, or super car looks - so lots of cars would definitely be a sense of occasion for me, but might not for someone else - I still love driving a 2003 Boxster S, and it always feels nice (probably from a familiar comedy pair of shoes type way) to get back into after I’ve test driven anything else in the past.

I love the looks of the AMG GT, and they’ve always looked a little special. One came over to the IoM, a GTR, when all the Huracan Perfomantes, Mclarens, and Wayne’s Lotus came over - the owner had quite bad break overheating.

Thankfully everyone is different. For me the sense of occasion I get from cars is stepping into something I wouldn’t want to drive everyday. The AMG GT is an awesome car and I drove one from London to Spa and back in a day, including a track day. It’s fast, sounds great but it’s a huge car in terms of length and width but civilised enough to be driven everyday. I’d put a modern 911 in the same bracket unless it was a GT3/RS. My Lotus 2-Eleven and Exige S gave me the sense of occasion and as would an Atom or Nomad.

An M4 at circa £30k will give 95% of the thrills of an M4 Comp, without the savage depreciation. Then something like a 993 or other classic or Atom etc for the weekend and you’ll be able to recoup most of your outlay when you come to sell.

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The i8 that did absolutely nothing for me, not fast or practical. Had to be careful how close you parked next to things for fear of bashing the doors

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Shame on the i8. It ticks a lot of boxes for me, on looks and spec rather than speed/handling. My boy hood dream car was the M1, having met AC/DC who came over to the island with a red one and parked it on the promenade outside one of the guest house (I still have a photo of the car somewhere) - we were walking past and heard the playing, and they kindly signed all out albums when we ran home and got them :)

The M4 as a daily might make some sense. But I’d be tempted by the CS, as a long term buy for a bit more money, but low production numbers, and maybe it would feel a little more special... Then I could probably afford to add an Ariel Atom (only thing is it would then compete against a garage full of motorbikes for use), or maybe a Cayman GTS or similar for a local fun car.

[mtagrant]

Thankfully everyone is different. For me the sense of occasion I get from cars is stepping into something I wouldn’t want to drive everyday. The AMG GT is an awesome car and I drove one from London to Spa and back in a day, including a track day. It’s fast, sounds great but it’s a huge car in terms of length and width but civilised enough to be driven everyday. I’d put a modern 911 in the same bracket unless it was a GT3/RS. My Lotus 2-Eleven and Exige S gave me the sense of occasion and as would an Atom or Nomad.

The mind has started to turn to the next car, and I have been looking at the Atom seriously - love the idea of it, and just need my second car to be a bit more sensible as that would get a lot more use, so a bigger change to make - probably worth it though.

I test drove an i8, and liked it, but the fake engine noise piped into the cabin irritated me - wanted to be something it wasn’t, and the electric motor died quickly, so was running on the mini engine only which was a bit ordinary. Not sure if there have improved as it was a couple of years back

[WarrenVrs]

I've always been curious about these. Haven't been in one, but they do look superb to my eyes.

A friend has a rwd V10 R8 on the Isle of Man. It's a superb thing.

[Alex L]

The M4 as a daily might make some sense. But I’d be tempted by the CS, as a long term buy for a bit more money, but low production numbers, and maybe it would feel a little more special... Then I could probably afford to add an Ariel Atom (only thing is it would then compete against a garage full of motorbikes for use), or maybe a Cayman GTS or similar for a local fun car.

I reckon the CS will depreciate pretty heavily, so I’d rather spend considerably less on a regular M4. While the Cayman GTS is a great car (i had a 981 Boxster S) its very similar to an M4 and both could be used as a daily driver. I’d be interested to know the trade price of a Cayman GTS as they feel like retail prices are being held artificially high and not actually selling.

[RobDad]

I doubt I’ll ever buy or consider a Tesla. For me driving is about enjoying corners. Something that a heavy electric is going to have problems overcoming. Straight line acceleration once I’m around 4 secs or less 0-60, is completely irrelevant.

They are also shockingly badly put together in my experience from having a look round a few - and my next door neighbour has one.

I wish Tesla’s looked more interesting, I’m not denying the technology but to me they look like a nasty pimped 80’s Vauxhall hatchback, not a £100k super car. I doubt a single teenager has a poster of one on their bedroom wall!


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[pete-r]

XSP_0283 by Alex L, on Flickr

Love the AMG. Photo snap. No way I could do there and back in a day though!

[Alex L]

Love the AMG. Photo snap. No way I could do there and back in a day though!

Nice VX, looks like an NA as I can’t quite see whether the rear vents stick out or not? I had a Rabiata red VX NA in 2003, great car!

It was a very long day but we averaged, yes averaged over 110mph when we got off the train in France...

[pete-r]

It was an NA when I bought it but supercharged now.

I’ve done Swansea to Spa in a day but wore ear plugs to prevent tinnitus!

[Justin Case]

Love the AMG. Photo snap. No way I could do there and back in a day though!

Think I have a photo on the same corner. A great track.