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What has this got to do with the Zenith Chronomaster?Originally Posted by pete-r
Thorpe smells a video opportunity a mile away.
Hell probably do the TOP FIVE reasons why you should APOLOGISE to BLOW & JOB - From an ex ROLEX AD DAYTONA, SUBMARINER, HULK, GMT....
What has this got to do with the Zenith Chronomaster?
Thats my point Mart. Nothing.
I really like it, in many ways its a better watch than a Daytona and I say that as an owner of one
Late to this discussion (and havent read all of the 150+ posts above) but I think its a great looking watch. Daytona cues are clearly there but I think the Zenith is significantly better-looking. The fact that its cheaper and probably more widely available is a bonus.
Given how hot this watch has come out of the gates, Im not sure how realistic those discounts are in 12 months but if it was available at the same price as a speedy sapphire, it would be a home run!
I fully agree. I unsubscribed from B&J off the back of that post - wont call it a review.
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Yes, a shoddy, biased blog . A good illustration of how ‘expert’ bloggers can know less than the bulk of their audience.
As for being ‘defended’ by Paul Thorpe......that’s really going to help.
I am in two minds about this. (probably over thinking it to be honest)
On one hand its a cool complication and a real watchmaking achievement. It looks great when the chronograph is started and is a fantastic USP... but I can't help think its a complication that is kind of useless. Human reaction times mean that any human activated sub second timing comes with a sizeable error factor.
Its a good looking watch, its not ooooo, wow, stunning but is restrained and sophisticated in design (for a Zenith). Its much better looking than the Daytona in my opinion, with a dial that is easier to read compared to the Rolex,... but measuring any time between 9/10ths of a second and 1 minute is pretty difficult on such a small sub dial, making the complication difficult to read.
I know you can only fit so much info on a dial but ease of interpreting the info displayed is key to a chronograph for me (and I do use them), this is not intuitive and it will take time to register the time shown. (yes I know i have just bough the most cluttered chronograph dial ever made)
That said I would like to see one in the metal and have a play with it, I am just not sure I would like to buy one.
I do prefer the overall look of the black bezel 1/10 of a second in the three watch 50th anniversary set - but theyve put the bloody date at 6 (granted, I appreciate a lot of people might actually prefer that look).
https://elprimero50.zenith-watches.c...iversaryboxset
It's just a matter of time...
I agree cool complication and watch, but also agree with the human error and also add in that it uses lateral clutch which stutters, it doesnt make a whole lot of sense the 1/10th measurement. General rule is that lateral clutch means manual wind, appreciating the beautiful movement architecture (lange, vc, pp) but not as precise, whilst vertical clutch is automatic, more precise but not as beautiful in terms of movement architecture.
Guess if you want super precision get a Casio!
As a Zenith fan, and a fan of this watch, I started off being delighted by its reception but now fear that it'll be so popular it won't be discounted ...
(There are a few 0% APR deals out there, mind.)
See post 93.
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You do realise the 10th of a second is measured around the full dial with the chronograph hand and not the Sub dial, making it very easy to read, and exceptionally usually for sub 1 seconds measurement?
It's just a matter of time...
Yes!
Its clear for the the 10th of a second scale, reading the time between 9.9 seconds and 1 minute is not instinctive as the sub dial used is small and cramped. - you will get used to it though. Its a trade off, you can only put so much on the dial.
For a useable chronograph there are better layouts, unless you need the 1/10th of a second timing (but then you run in to the error factor I mentioned and other options are better for the task) As a cool unique gimmick its perfect.
I have nothing against the watch, I think its cool but it fails on displaying elapsed time in an easy to read manner - which is kind of the point of a chronograph. As I said I am likely over thinking it but I like clarity in watches especially chronographs.
Not quite the same model, but from the same range. I had this a couple of years back. A bit out there, but great quality and interesting dial. It was only a couple of grand too
not too much a big fan of chronos myself, but that zenith looks neat, and likely to drop in price.
for the right price it woud make an interesting addition, I think!
RespectNot quite the same model, but from the same range. I had this a couple of years back. A bit out there, but great quality and interesting dial. It was only a couple of grand too
Beautiful watch except for the tri-colored dial.
Surprised LVMH is happy to discount Zenith watches given their stance on discounting LV products...
I agree Adrian/Bark and Jack was rushed content and it showed. He's made it his'job' and it seems the quality, or at least the interest and likeability, of some of his stuff had dropped. He's a self proclaimed Rolex fan and the bias was too strong.
However, it brought a zenith to my attention, a watch I'd not seen, from a brand I don't normally take much notice of. I like the watch.
Dont they run all their own LV stores. Whereas most Zenith watches are sold by ADs that need to shift stock.
The CEO has stated that previously all they cared about with the brand selling to the ADs. Now they care about the ADs actually selling the stock, and are more actively involved - so I expect to see a real change over the next 3-5 years, and a move away from the large discounts that weve seen in the past, to a more consistent approach. But most brands allow (or cant really stop) AD discounting.
It's just a matter of time...
Thats not what happened.
I watched the video, he made the observation that the Zenith could be an homage of the Daytona because they look similar. I had to agree. They do look similar. Not the same. Similar. Nobody could fail to see it.
For reasons that are difficult to decipher for a functioning adult, comparing two watches to each other seems to have bizarrely offended what seems to be a collection of wafer skinned man-children, who were very angry and very nasty in the comments.
Paul wasnt suggesting that people should apologise for being critical. Critical is fine. He was suggesting people apologise for the vitriol. Which doesnt seem unreasonable, even if it is realistic.
Can you imagine? People who get worked up to the point of attacking someone they dont know because they said one watch looks like another having the self awareness to realise theyd been vile and apologise.
Nice sentiment. Unlikely outcome.
I like Adrian, I dont always agree with him, but I like his enthusiasm and he takes some lovely videos and pictures. He didnt deserve what followed. People seem to have lost all sense of perspective.
Its been hilarious watching him and his cabal circle the wagons over the last 48 hours or so. Theres been a lot of push back on social media and support for Zenith which Im sure will encourage them to expand the range. Good luck to them, its a great watch and Id certainly pick the Chronomaster over the Daytona.
I havent read all the comments but Ive not seen that. I think when you are commercialising comments online and those comments are a distorted view or incorrect then the community, some of whom have been into the details before YouTube was invented, have a right to reply.
Personally I have no issue with people saying the new zenith looks like the Daytona, it does as we all agree. But its not an homage in the same way a Tudor fastrider isnt a dark side ceramic homage etc.
There have been 369 chronos in steel with black bezels knocking around since the 60s but some content suggests a view that before Rolex did something the earth was flat.
Havent seen the Paul Thorpe video but Ive lost interest in his stuff, i find it constant click bait.
No such thing as bad publicity so I hope Zenith sell a boat load of them.
Lange has just released Daytona homage...
Surely its not April 1st already!Lange has just released Daytona homage...
I think they've done a great job, the white version is stunning but the absence of a quality ratchet micro-adjustment to the bracelet is a major oversight at this price point. Why is it that some manufacturers just don't seem to get this? If it had that it would definitely be something I'd be interested in, although I'd prefer a conventional chrono seconds hand.
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Well I and a fair few other functioning adults, disagree.
Disagreement =\= nastiness. But ultimately if a YouTuber with multiple other social media platforms doesnt want criticism, then the options are either dont invite comments, like proven conman Horology House. Heavily moderate at the sheer mention of critique like TGV and his cultists. Or simply delete the video if it gets a bit hot. Like he did with the Ginault stuff. Alternatively dont undo a lot of goodwill youve gathered by posting up poorly researched videos to get clicks. You dont think that happened. I do. And thats OK.
Well, he started the video by mentioning the Zenith while actually, deliberately, showing the Daytona. Within a few seconds he was talking about a homage when you could get the real thing for 2k more. He set the Zenith up, to get more effect.
Fine to prefer the Daytona, most people will. The problem is that he didnt make the slightest effort to give the Zenith a fair chance. He can do that, its his review, but other people are equally free to object. Thats how it works.
I also thought it improper to lump the watch in with overt 'homage' watches when the El Primero powered the Daytona for, what, 12 years. That seems to me to put it in a completely different category and I think explains some of the indignation.
Can only agree. If they're monitoring the reviews and online comments etc, as surely someone is, then they must realise this now. It's been a very common observation.
In fairness Adrian has form for this which doesnt help.
There was a bit of a thing when he was negging brands including Bremont, then went on one of their launch soires and suddenly they were the sleeper brand we should all be buying.
Then made a thing about getting an Batman, and coincidentally was wined and dined by Rolex St James around the same time. And Rolex is better than sliced bread. Forever!
So a video negging a watch which is possibly better in some ways to the Daytona isnt a good move in my view.
He usually frames it in a sentence like its just my opinion but then utters a few words which are sometimes pretty damning.
Objecting is fine. Abusing, less so.
Please don't knock that decision as it made my year when it arrived.
I have no difficulty understanding that as I bought mine in SC too; love it.Please don't knock that decision as it made my year when it arrived.
I've been looking at one in the WOS sale. You guys are not helping.
I watched the video Adrian made and read the comments at the time. I think a lot were subsequently deleted.
Adrians video was in my opinion poorly constructed. He offered no context, wrote the Zenith off as a homage - took the mickey out of it really. It felt very much like a rushed, five minute click bait job where he shoehorned in an opportunity to advertise his nato straps (which are very good by the way!).
Its his livelihood now and he should offer better quality content than that. Fine if you dont like the watch, but at least frame it with some rationale and discussion. He took the vid down after it got flamed (over a thousand dislikes and he got slaughtered in the comments), but then put it back up again almost out of stubbornness I think. Perhaps its a case of no publicity is bad publicity.
But we all make mistakes. But some of the comments - both toward him and between warring factions on YouTube and his FB group were nothing short of an embarrassment. Grown men effing, blinding, abusing and threatening each other over a fall out about whether a watch is a homage of another watch or not. Unbelievable.
As an aside, even before this I had started to question B&J. Im a long term fan and subscriber, but for someone whose YouTube channel is living, his output is really low. He does one ten minute video a week which often feels just a bit of a vehicle for a strap advert. He doesnt often get watches in either to review or whatever. Can only assume Mrs Bark earns a good crust because you cant imagine ten minutes of youtube a week and flogging a few watch straps youve imported in from China is sufficient enough to keep you in luxury timepieces and expensive camera gear. Maybe it is, what do I know 🤷*♂️
I’d agree there, it’s natural selection. Good content creators will thrive, the poor ones will need to up their game or become next years Alta Vista.
He didn’t have the watch but made a video anyway to try and make a quick buck. It was probably rushed and in all honesty, a bit crap like a lot of his stuff.
Vote with your fingers is the only way to feedback.
I really like the watch and on videos with a live example it looks brilliant!
Well done Zenith, they are always getting stick for not being progressive with the EP, then Rolex and omega bring out a millionth edition of their diver and chrono and B&J are swooning over the lugs.
Give them a break I say.
He but the video back because of the backlash he got for taking it down.
Rolex fanboys will be Rolex fanboys!
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Did you watch the video or read the comments or do you know what and who the backlash was from??
Yes, thank you as you should be able to determine from my earlier comments in the thread.
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Sorry, I misunderstood
Just been quoted an April delivery date as there is already a long waiting list for this watch.
Seems like Zenith have cracked it with this one!
Last edited by paw3001; 29th January 2021 at 13:17.
"Buy it, buy it, buy it ..."
We are helping, honest. It's a wonderful watch.
Thats not too long to wait. Could you imagine a few other brands that would benefit from fulfilling orders in a few months ;)
It's just a matter of time...
Rox are showing as having the black in stock but the white is the start of March.
I have a black one on order - should be delivered mid-March.
I was quite tempted by the bronze flyback version. Amazing value at <4k (IMHO)
Looks very nice, really like the white dial.
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Just ordered mine from Rox.
They had one left in physical stock, black dial bracelet model which was my preference as I have a white Daytona. Will be with me Sunday pm.
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