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    RIP; Prince Khalid Bin Abdullah

    A massive loss to horse racing

    RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweepinghand View Post
    A massive loss to horse racing

    RIP
    A horse, a jokey or an owner?

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    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweepinghand View Post
    A massive loss to horse racing

    RIP

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    The owner of Frankel.

    Before you ask, Frankel is perhaps the greatest horse of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdon View Post
    The owner of Frankel.

    Before you ask, Frankel is perhaps the greatest horse of them all.
    Better than Red Rum ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    Better than Red Rum ??
    Different race. Red Rum was steeple chase.

    But Seabiscuit or Man o War?
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Certainly the highest rated of all time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdon View Post
    The owner of Frankel.

    Before you ask, Frankel is perhaps the greatest horse of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Different race. Red Rum was steeple chase.

    But Seabiscuit or Man o War?
    I think Kauto Star,Golden Miller and Arkle were all better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdon View Post
    The owner of Frankel.

    Before you ask, Frankel is perhaps the greatest horse of them all.
    Flat wise,can’t argue with that.

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    [QUOTE=village;5641969]I think Kauto Star,Golden Miller and Arkle were all better.

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    None can hold a candle to this one though..


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    Quote Originally Posted by village View Post
    I think Kauto Star,Golden Miller and Arkle were all better.

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    None can hold a candle to this one though..

    That’s because they don’t have an opposable thumb

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    [QUOTE=village;5641978]
    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post

    That’s because they don’t have an opposable thumb
    I hear thumbs are over-rated anyway..


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    Seattle Slew and Secretariat. There's two names from USA - how do they figure in the ratings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Seattle Slew and Secretariat. There's two names from USA - how do they figure in the ratings?
    Secretariat often said to be greatest ever.

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    I'm not a racist, but I prefer steeplechase to flat.
    Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH

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    It's impossible to compare US vs UK vs rest of the world as all different conditions. eras etc. You would also have to include Citation (US) and Phar Lap (AUS) and then how far back do you go? Ormonde?

    Certainly Frankel is the most impressive horse I've seen but there were many others who on their day would be very hard to beat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Secretariat often said to be greatest ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    I'm not a racist, but I prefer steeplechase to flat.
    Harness racing for me. I had the chance to watch 2 of the greatest horses to win the Prix D'Amérique at the Vincennes racecourse, Bellino II in 1977 and the magnificent Ourasi in 1987 and 1990
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Secretariat often said to be greatest ever.
    In the 140 or so years of the U.S. "Triple Crown," only Secretariat set track and world records at each race - - still records today!



    Last edited by pacifichrono; 13th January 2021 at 09:25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane View Post
    It's impossible to compare US vs UK vs rest of the world as all different conditions. eras etc. You would also have to include Citation (US) and Phar Lap (AUS) and then how far back do you go? Ormonde?

    Certainly Frankel is the most impressive horse I've seen but there were many others who on their day would be very hard to beat.
    It might be but someone claimed Frankel was the greatest ever. He clearly wasn’t.

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    Montjeu and see the stars. 2 of my favourites over the last 20 years

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    It's impossible to say who was. Frankel has the highest Timeform rating - again, this means nothing in real world terms but Timeform consider him to be the best (after reducing Dancing Brave's rating of course)

    In America you'll get one group saying that Secretariat was the best ever and another group saying Man O War was - again, impossible to tell.

    Over 1m to 1 1/4 miles Frankel beat the best horses put in front of him at the time. He was never ever stretched and we'll never know how good he really was as he was never raced over a mile and a half. That's the argument most people have - that he didn't race over this distance and that he didn't race overseas. No one can say he didn't face stiff competition as you only have to add up all the groups 1s the horses he beat had won.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    It might be but someone claimed Frankel was the greatest ever. He clearly wasn’t.

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    Yes impossible, all pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane View Post
    It's impossible to say who was. Frankel has the highest Timeform rating - again, this means nothing in real world terms but Timeform consider him to be the best (after reducing Dancing Brave's rating of course)

    In America you'll get one group saying that Secretariat was the best ever and another group saying Man O War was - again, impossible to tell.

    Over 1m to 1 1/4 miles Frankel beat the best horses put in front of him at the time. He was never ever stretched and we'll never know how good he really was as he was never raced over a mile and a half. That's the argument most people have - that he didn't race over this distance and that he didn't race overseas. No one can say he didn't face stiff competition as you only have to add up all the groups 1s the horses he beat had won.
    But because he didn't travel he was only the best against local horses and those who did travel to the UK. Frankel is unquestionably one of the great, but it is indeed impossible to say more
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane View Post
    It's impossible to compare US vs UK vs rest of the world as all different conditions. eras etc. You would also have to include Citation (US) and Phar Lap (AUS) and then how far back do you go? Ormonde?

    Certainly Frankel is the most impressive horse I've seen but there were many others who on their day would be very hard to beat.
    I know shag-all about horse racing, and genuinely didn't know which of the three possibilities that the OP might have been alluding to - was correct.

    I think I must have got "Secretariat" and "Seattle Slew" from an American Readers Digest Almanac or Guinness Book of Records decades ago, and the names stuck.

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    Shergar made the best burgers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweepinghand View Post
    A massive loss to horse racing

    RIP
    very much a huge loss to racing; one of the main supporters of the sport and funders of British Racing

    saw Frankel several times and at Newbury, where he won by half the track beating several Group 1 winners as if they'd given him a 2 furlong head start.

    A very good friend who works in racing has just made a documentary on Enable, the Prince's filly who has dominated for his colours since Frankel went to stud. Almost feel a bit sorry for her having to follow Frankel as she probably only got the full recognition later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Shergar made the best burgers.

    If indeed he was ever killed.....

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