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    Both of them.

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    Amazed he lasted that long.

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    The most-excellent C4 documentary changed my perception of him and left me wondering how such a humble, respectful and genuinely nice young man turned into the freak show he became. It could have been the constant attention? The coke? Both? Something else?

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    9.30 tonight, Channel 4, Diego Maradona

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    There’s an interesting video clip somewhere with all the x-rated fouls and elbows committed by the England players on Maradona during that game.
    I’d challenge anyone calling him a cheat to watch the match back and not change their opinion of him based on just one incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    The most-excellent C4 documentary changed my perception of him and left me wondering how such a humble, respectful and genuinely nice young man turned into the freak show he became. It could have been the constant attention? The coke? Both? Something else?
    The Mafia got him. He didn't handle fame well. He wasn't used to the lifestyle presented to him and was taken in too easily.
    Other than that a pure genius at football.

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    I watched a bit of the New Zealand vs Argentina rugby game today. An All Black player placed a black 10 shirt with Maradona name on it before their Haka. Very classy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    9.30 tonight, Channel 4, Diego Maradona
    Well worth watching if you haven’t seen it - it’s also on AllFour I believe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvic View Post
    There’s an interesting video clip somewhere with all the x-rated fouls and elbows committed by the England players on Maradona during that game. I’d challenge anyone calling him a cheat to watch the match back and not change their opinion of him based on just one incident.
    I remember Peter Reid conceding something along those lines, talking about Tery Fenwick elbowing him in the face off the ball etc.

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    Another stunning video of Maradona's skills (since the original one seems to have been removed from YouTube); enjoy.


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    Not exactly resting in peace, is he?


    Maradona died while he was recovering from a successful surgery for a blood clot on the brain, after a decades-long struggle with drug and alcohol addiction. In his recent public appearances, he had looked frail and seemed to have trouble speaking.

    Fernandez declared a three-day period of national mourning, then had the soccer star’s coffin moved into the Casa Rosada presidential palace for a mass vigil there. In addition to actively supporting the Cuban and Venezuelan dictatorships, Maradona backed Fernandez and Vice President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the leftist-populist former president who is the power behind the throne in Argentina. “I want all Argentines who want to bid farewell to him be able to do so,” Fernandez said. Government officials said they had expected 1 million people to file past Maradona’s remains at the presidential palace.

    Problem is, the massive vigil at the presidential palace was held with scant health precautions, amid a national peak in COVID-19 infections. Many in the crowd that filed past the coffin were not wearing face masks. To make things worse, the vigil was held indoors. Critics pointed out the Fernandez government had earlier this year imposed one of the world’s most stringent lockdowns, during which people were prohibited from leaving their homes for weeks at a time. Yet, it was now inviting hundreds of thousands of people to walk through an indoor location, in the midst of a new COVID-19 peak. It was irresponsible, and dangerous.

    And the show surrounding Maradona’s death didn’t end there. Hours later, the presidential palace’s doors were inexplicably closed, reportedly after the vice president’s arrival. People outside began to protest for not being allowed in. Some people broke into the presidential palace. Police dispersed the crowd and made several arrests. The Fernandez government blamed opposition Buenos Aires mayor Horacio Rodriguez Larreta for the crackdown. The mayor’s office replied that the city police had acted on orders from the central government.

    Days later, in a new chapter of this ongoing story, prosecutors charged that Maradona’s physicians had been “absolutely negligent” during his last days alive. The surgeon who operated on Maradona was called to testify, and his home and office were raided by police. Earlier this week, police also searched the office of Maradona’s psychiatrist.

    Now, much of the country is glued to the TV set following the latest twists of the case, looking for a culprit. Few public figures dared to remind the public that Maradona’s substance addictions, chaotic life and reported disdain for medical advice were most likely to blame for his death. Though the government may not have pushed for the investigation into the soccer player’s death, the president certainly is one of its beneficiaries — it’s diverting public attention from the country’s worsening economic crisis. Argentina’s economy is projected to collapse by nearly 12 percent this year, more than those of most other Latin American countries, according to the International Monetary Fund.

    Maradona should be allowed to rest in peace and to be remembered as the unique soccer player that he was. Argentina’s government should focus its energies on fighting the pandemic and attracting investments, instead of trying to score political points from Maradona’s sudden — but not surprising — death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Not exactly resting in peace, is he?


    Maradona died while he was recovering from a successful surgery for a blood clot on the brain, after a decades-long struggle with drug and alcohol addiction. In his recent public appearances, he had looked frail and seemed to have trouble speaking.

    Fernandez declared a three-day period of national mourning, then had the soccer star’s coffin moved into the Casa Rosada presidential palace for a mass vigil there. In addition to actively supporting the Cuban and Venezuelan dictatorships, Maradona backed Fernandez and Vice President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the leftist-populist former president who is the power behind the throne in Argentina. “I want all Argentines who want to bid farewell to him be able to do so,” Fernandez said. Government officials said they had expected 1 million people to file past Maradona’s remains at the presidential palace.

    Problem is, the massive vigil at the presidential palace was held with scant health precautions, amid a national peak in COVID-19 infections. Many in the crowd that filed past the coffin were not wearing face masks. To make things worse, the vigil was held indoors. Critics pointed out the Fernandez government had earlier this year imposed one of the world’s most stringent lockdowns, during which people were prohibited from leaving their homes for weeks at a time. Yet, it was now inviting hundreds of thousands of people to walk through an indoor location, in the midst of a new COVID-19 peak. It was irresponsible, and dangerous.

    And the show surrounding Maradona’s death didn’t end there. Hours later, the presidential palace’s doors were inexplicably closed, reportedly after the vice president’s arrival. People outside began to protest for not being allowed in. Some people broke into the presidential palace. Police dispersed the crowd and made several arrests. The Fernandez government blamed opposition Buenos Aires mayor Horacio Rodriguez Larreta for the crackdown. The mayor’s office replied that the city police had acted on orders from the central government.

    Days later, in a new chapter of this ongoing story, prosecutors charged that Maradona’s physicians had been “absolutely negligent” during his last days alive. The surgeon who operated on Maradona was called to testify, and his home and office were raided by police. Earlier this week, police also searched the office of Maradona’s psychiatrist.

    Now, much of the country is glued to the TV set following the latest twists of the case, looking for a culprit. Few public figures dared to remind the public that Maradona’s substance addictions, chaotic life and reported disdain for medical advice were most likely to blame for his death. Though the government may not have pushed for the investigation into the soccer player’s death, the president certainly is one of its beneficiaries — it’s diverting public attention from the country’s worsening economic crisis. Argentina’s economy is projected to collapse by nearly 12 percent this year, more than those of most other Latin American countries, according to the International Monetary Fund.

    Maradona should be allowed to rest in peace and to be remembered as the unique soccer player that he was. Argentina’s government should focus its energies on fighting the pandemic and attracting investments, instead of trying to score political points from Maradona’s sudden — but not surprising — death.
    Miami Herald
    Whoever wrote this piece hasn't has a clue what Maradona is to the Argentinians.
    Nothing but a state funeral at the presidential palace would have seem appropriate.
    Unfortunately a minority of football fans ended up causing trouble again, as usual... hardly a reason to be surprised...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carvass View Post
    Whoever wrote this piece hasn't has a clue what Maradona is to the Argentinians.
    Nothing but a state funeral at the presidential palace would have seem appropriate.
    Unfortunately a minority of football fans ended up causing trouble again, as usual... hardly a reason to be surprised...
    Have you read it?

    The article doesn't criticise the fact that he lies in state - it's about the political circus surrounding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Have you read it?

    The article doesn't criticise the fact that he lies in state - it's about the political circus surrounding it.
    I have. And being an Argie living in Europe also followed all the argie press (usually 1 rightwing La Nacion, one center Clarin and one leftie Pagina12, for a complete perspective) and the "political circus" was present on the anti government press...
    For example, in the Miami Herald article, the fact that the funeral was cut short is attributed to the arrival of the (hated) vice president Cristina Kirchner. In fact all the Argentinian sources (even the most critical to the goverment) attributed the early closure (16.00 hs) to the wished of the Maradona family, who has been there since very early that day and, of course, would like some time for their goodbyes in private...
    Anyway, the article seems to repeat the same perspective of the right-wing anti Kirchner Argentinian press. I try to be in a center between La Nacion and Pagina12... which is difficult because everything is polarised (like in every country nowadays)...

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    Also, regarding the irregularities surrounding Maradona’s medical treatments after the last intervention, I think there's ground to find if not manslaughter charges, gross negligence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carvass View Post
    Also, regarding the irregularities surrounding Maradona’s medical treatments after the last intervention, I think there's ground to find if not manslaughter charges, gross negligence...
    Why do you say that? Surely everyone wanted to save him? Maybe they were incompetent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagraboy View Post
    Why do you say that? Surely everyone wanted to save him? Maybe they were incompetent
    Several irregularities were found, for example, that the nurse present didn't see Maradona, passing the medication to two people of his entourage without entering the room or verifying it was taken or not, she was forced to sign a report she visited him the morning he died when she didn't and, days after his last surgery (cranial edema) he fell, bumping his head and no one thought about, maybe, check if there were complications because of that...
    This is what emerged right after his death and, probably the more the police dig, the more irregularities will appear.
    Maradona was an addict and difficult patient, but medical protocols weren't followed as they should.

    From the news (in Spanish):

    https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/20201...eficiente.html

    Prosecutors investigating the death of Diego Armando Maradona believe that the ex-footballer's medical control in the country club of Tigre was "totally deficient" and considered the situation as "totally and completely uncontrolled", so they will analyze the evidence incorporated in the file to decide whether to call the doctor Leopoldo Luque for investigation.

    "After the first five days of investigation, from what we see, the conduct was absolutely negligent. It was a totally deficient home stay. It was a total and absolute lack of control," one of the judicial investigators told Télam.
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    Potentially causing as much of a fuss in death as he did in life!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-55173630

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    Pretty sure they'll put it down to an act of God in the end... Even if he was killed with someone's bare hands.

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