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    Hirsch phasing in quick release spring bars

    The Hirsch Duke is my second favorite strap behind the Eulit Panama.



    Having ordered a few from WatchObsession recently I am rather perturbed to hear from Gary that Hirsch are phasing out traditional spring bar fittings in favour of quick release ones



    I really dont like these. Not only do they not seem as secure (I could well be wrong on this point though) but when fitted, on my watches anyway, I can see the lever from certain angles when looking at the watch.

    They can of course be removed if the lever is twisted out using a pair of plyers and then replaced with proper spring bars - however the slot is still there. This of course cant be seen when the watch is being worn but I dont like the idea of material being reduced in this key area.

    I'm not sure whether Hirsch are doing this with their other models - but its a worrying trend.
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    My understanding Ian is that all new Hirsch straps will be QR. Personally I like them and have a few, not had any bad experiences yet, "yet" being the operative word maybe.

    My Oris heritage diver came with QR as standard from new.

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    Thanks Mark - I would guess that the ease of changing helps upselling, more chance of selling multiples

    I suspect that my fear of accidental spring bar releases is unfounded

    I don't have an enormous problem in principle- just don't like to see the lever when I look at the watch head

    Oh well, sooner or later everything is 'improved and changed....

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    I can't stand them. The ends are usually too thin, allowing the strap to shift about, and the little knob is too fiddly to use without a tool anyway.

    Some straps are designed so you can easily remove them, but on most the only way to get rid is to damage the strap.

    Yuk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    I can't stand them. The ends are usually too thin, allowing the strap to shift about, and the little knob is too fiddly to use without a tool anyway.

    Some straps are designed so you can easily remove them, but on most the only to get rid is to damage the strap.

    Yuk!
    I replaced a set the other day with normal spring bars - gripped the little lever with a stout pair of pliers and twisted it anti clockwise, it came straight out. The bar could then be simply slid out and a proper one inserted.

    I ordered some more straps today at WatchObsession and they said that they would send them without the QR ones fitted

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    I suppose as the idea of changing straps becomes more mainstream this is kind of inevitable.

    I bought a couple of higher-end custom straps recently from different sources - both came with QR springbars and neither offered the option of standard springbars. I'd planned to use curved springbars with these straps so needed to remove the pre-installed ones, and the notches cut out for the quick release pins definitely create an unneccessary weakness.

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    WatchObsession state that customer reception had been 'mixed'
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    I don't think I've had a Hirsch strap for a few years now but I find this trend vaguely annoying because I have a few watches that take female spring bars. After some practice normal straps can be fitted but I don't see that these will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
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    Having ordered a few from WatchObsession recently I am rather perturbed to hear from Gary that Hirsch are phasing out traditional spring bar fittings in favour of quick release ones.
    Can see the attraction from Hirsch's POV - makes strap changing easier so they sell more. Personally, I've never liked QR bars, so won't be buying any more Hirsch... I'd always be a bit anxious about releasing the strap accidentally. Apart from anything else there's a hole in the strap next to the skin, guaranteed to be a nice warm cave for bacteria and sweat to accumulate and incubate - maybe even eventually chewing through the leather! Hehe...
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    Can anyone recommend alternatives- I like croc designs and the golden brown colour that Hirsch does. Its important that I can buy straps in 110/70 and 120/80.

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    Big fan of Di-Modell and Rios1931. Morellato also worth checking out. I'm sure you could find something that suits.

    Watchbandcenter: https://www.watch-band-center.com/shop-watchstrap.html

    ukwatchstrap: https://ukwatchstrap.co.uk/index.html

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    Loads of other brands being offered by WatchObsession, not just Hirsch

    www.WatchObsession.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    Its important that I can buy straps in 110/70
    I wish more manufacturers offered this length. I own a number of nice RIOS M straps for example that don't get any wear as they are too long for my wrist on almost all of my watches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson View Post
    I suppose as the idea of changing straps becomes more mainstream this is kind of inevitable.
    It never even occurred to me, until recently, that the idea of changing straps isn't mainstream.

    Buying a watch for my mum, I had a short debate with my siblings about the strap that came on a watch, why they 100% discounted a 1000 watch because they didn't like the 20 quid strap it came on. I didn't realise until that time that most people think of a watch as the strap too and if you don't like the strap then don't buy the watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dschaen81 View Post
    I wish more manufacturers offered this length. I own a number of nice RIOS M straps for example that don't get any wear as they are too long for my wrist on almost all of my watches.
    110 for the long piece is my absolute maximum as anything over this results in it sticking out once done up. I cannot cope with this at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AberBoy View Post
    Loads of other brands being offered by WatchObsession, not just Hirsch

    www.WatchObsession.co.uk
    Yes, I've been using then for years - the problem is that the other brands that they stock don't do 110 long piece sizes the way Hirsch do.

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    Just rummaged through the strap drawer and found a Kaufmann shell cordovan strap that's 115/75. Doesn't look like much when compared to the regular 120/80 straps, but on my wrist this certainly works much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geralt View Post
    Can see the attraction from Hirsch's POV - makes strap changing easier so they sell more. Personally, I've never liked QR bars, so won't be buying any more Hirsch... I'd always be a bit anxious about releasing the strap accidentally. Apart from anything else there's a hole in the strap next to the skin, guaranteed to be a nice warm cave for bacteria and sweat to accumulate and incubate - maybe even eventually chewing through the leather! Hehe...
    ^^^ this.

    QR bars is an exercise in dumbing down for the masses, which only makes them (the masses) even dumber. And so it goes on. Learn to use tools. Do a proper job. Get skilled and knowledgable. Etc.

    I expected better from Hirsch of all people

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