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    Sorry to have duplicated your wisdom Dave

    I think clasps were Tudor branded by the mid 70s, although the blades were Rolex branded for much longer.

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    As a matter of interest, what would the best aftermarket bracelet option be, given that I have a set of end links?

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    [QUOTE=learningtofly;6333611]As a matter of interest, what would the best aftermarket bracelet option be, given that I have a set of end

    I emailed Forstner last week to ask if they would be bringing out any Rolex oyster bracelets ( I’m hoping for something like a C & I rivet bracelet). They said they have something in the pipe line that would hopefully be out in the next 6-7 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zodiac View Post
    I emailed Forstner last week to ask if they would be bringing out any Rolex oyster bracelets ( I’m hoping for something like a C & I rivet bracelet). They said they have something in the pipe line that would hopefully be out in the next 6-7 months.
    Ah. That would be worth waiting for.

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    Rather than aftermarket, I think it might still be an option to get a Tudor 78500 with 380b end links. Same as a Rolex 93150 but cheaper. I’m sure someone had one supplied for £600 recently as an addition to a service. I’m tempted to go into an AD to see if that is an option.

    The Tudor 9315 is a bit horrid and prices are crazy, although there is one for sale on TRF from 1990



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    Quote Originally Posted by helidoc View Post
    Rather than aftermarket, I think it might still be an option to get a Tudor 78500 with 380b end links. Same as a Rolex 93150 but cheaper. I’m sure someone had one supplied for £600 recently as an addition to a service. I’m tempted to go into an AD to see if that is an option.

    The Tudor 9315 is a bit horrid and prices are crazy, although there is one for sale on TRF from 1990



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    I could live with that, Dave, but not if I had to have a service as well. If you make the enquiry can you report back?

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    Will do, once I have the watch head in hand in two weeks. I suspect that if it is possible, they are going to want to see the watch.

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    I asked directly a couple of years back and the 78500 was c£500 from Tudor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepreddave View Post
    I asked directly a couple of years back and the 78500 was c£500 from Tudor.
    Wow! That's tempting .. I'd assume it's gone up a bit by now but if they can be had direct from Tudor then I'd consider one for my Snowflake.

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    I’ve had 2 78500 bracelets from my AD over the last 10 years, first one was £500, second one was £550 a few years later. Both included the 380b end links.


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    I'm already dealing with a WoS Deputy Sales Manager at Regent Street regarding a GO strap. I've therefore asked the question regarding purchasing a 78500 bracelet too!
    Last edited by learningtofly; 9th January 2024 at 10:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    I'm already dealing with a WoS Deputy Salesd Manager regarding a GO strap. I've therefore asked the question regarding purchasing a 78500 bracelet too!
    Keep us posted please Tony. May come to you for a contact if all goes well!

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    There you go Tony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loupe View Post
    There you go Tony.
    Thank you. That looks spot on.

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    Tudor Submariners

    Well that was easy
    Ordered from Tudor at the Trafford Centre
    £610

    Oops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Thank you. That looks spot on.
    No probs.
    Enjoy!

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    I have just placed an order for a 78500 with Fraser Hart here in Bristol. RRP £508.35

    Lead time about 6 weeks. So thank you from me too

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    I feel like ordering one too now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    I have just placed an order for a 78500 with Fraser Hart here in Bristol. RRP £508.35

    Lead time about 6 weeks. So thank you from me too
    Glad I made you want to spend more money 😅
    Certainly cheap compared to its big brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    I have just placed an order for a 78500 with Fraser Hart here in Bristol. RRP £508.35

    Lead time about 6 weeks. So thank you from me too
    I’ve been robbed of £101.65!

    Still good value compared to secondary market and Rolex equivalent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loupe View Post
    Glad I made you want to spend more money 
    Certainly cheap compared to its big brother.
    And that is the point, really. My Snowflake came with no bracelet, and it is definitely worth having one to dress it up with, every now and again.
    As a genuine Tudor product, it may be relatively expensive but also will add at least that to the value of my watch.
    Plus, I can definitely see another Tudor Sub somewhere in my future (if prices continue to correct a little more and I find a nice no-date one), and this could also be used for that, as well.
    (as an aside I was rather amused that there is a Chrono24 seller selling one for £2k)........

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    Quote Originally Posted by helidoc View Post
    I’ve been robbed of £101.65!

    Still good value compared to secondary market and Rolex equivalent
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    I think you'll find that is the VAT that you paid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENES View Post
    I think you'll find that is the VAT that you paid!



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    Quote Originally Posted by helidoc View Post
    Rather than aftermarket, I think it might still be an option to get a Tudor 78500 with 380b end links. Same as a Rolex 93150 but cheaper. I’m sure someone had one supplied for £600 recently as an addition to a service. I’m tempted to go into an AD to see if that is an option.

    The Tudor 9315 is a bit horrid and prices are crazy, although there is one for sale on TRF from 1990



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    That’s the bracelet/end link combination on this watch. Fitted by the previous owner, but if they hadn’t I’d have gone down the same route…


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    I quite like my Tudor 9315 bracelet tbh… but they are indeed quite hard to find especially in bearable shape, or at a reasonable price


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    My (now long gone) vintage piece - great history.



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    I just sold Tony that rather nice 79090 which I wore with a more modern 93150 bracelet which I still think feels in keeping with the vintage feel of the watch.

    I have the original 9315 with 380 links that my 76100 came with and although it’s in what I consider to be very good condition, it’s too big for my skinny wrists and I can’t see myself getting any folded links removed. A 93150 is a better option IMO.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    My (now long gone) vintage piece - great history.



    Nice, why is the lume colour different on the hands sorta greenish and the indices more yellowy... ta.

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    I have had a manky bubbly dialled snowflake for years
    I love it.

    It’s far from the best example but it is unique
    The bezel looks blue in pictures but it is a silver grey in the metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post


    I have had a manky bubbly dialled snowflake for years
    I love it.

    It’s far from the best example but it is unique
    The bezel looks blue in pictures but it is a silver grey in the metal.
    That’s a very cool watch !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slevin Kelevra View Post
    That’s a very cool watch !
    Indeed, very cool. I would love a no-date snowflake at some stage.

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    Thanks Gents
    I love it
    I am doing some research on it as the serial number is a strange one - very late and close to issued watches from SA and the MN. The case back looks to have been polished / skimmed at some point as well.

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    And the caseback? I think that a lack of endlink scars on the lugs can also indicate that it was primarily used on a strap not bracelet, often the case with an issued watch.
    Actually, it is more the opposite. Deep endlink scars indicate use of the OEM bracelet and rule out most uses in the military

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    Recently picked up a black merc hands 76100 with the 9315/380 end links.

    It’s not a minter but it’s fair condition for a 1984 watch.

    It’s on an Erika’s strap as I’m not a bracelet man and it’s great.

    It’s displaced my BB54 which I may end up selling as I’m strictly a 1 watch man these days.

    As it’s on 24/7 I need to get it pressure tested just to be sure it’s good in water.

    Can’t go wrong for the price.. a Rolex 1680 is 3.5-4 times the price.. is it that much better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    And the caseback? I think that a lack of endlink scars on the lugs can also indicate that it was primarily used on a strap not bracelet, often the case with an issued watch.
    Actually, it is more the opposite. Deep endlink scars indicate use of the OEM bracelet and rule out most uses in the military
    The case back is stock but highly polished and some the writing is a bit shallow / buffed out, if you look under strong light there seems to be some writing removed in the centre (marks and indents not polished out)

    The lugs and lug gaps do have marks but it has been polished during its life

    The serial and model number are still very clear though.
    The case back has a few markings that look similar to known SA navy watch makers marks but it is still inconclusive as to if it is an SA watch.

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    Quick update, the new 78500 bracelet has arrived in branch for my collection. So 10 days against a quoted 6 week delivery is pretty good, well done Fraser Hart

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Quick update, the new 78500 bracelet has arrived in branch for my collection. So 10 days against a quoted 6 week delivery is pretty good, well done Fraser Hart
    Good to know. Just waiting for confirmation from WoS that they're ordered mine.

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    Tudor Submariners

    Mine arrived a week after ordering. I just need to find a time window to pick it up!

    Edit: I wonder if they can order the appropriate hollow ground Rolex screwdriver? I shall ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Quick update, the new 78500 bracelet has arrived in branch for my collection. So 10 days against a quoted 6 week delivery is pretty good, well done Fraser Hart
    I’ve been quoted £610 all in. Does that accord with yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    I’ve been quoted £610 all in. Does that accord with yours?
    That is what I paid (inc. the viscious) earlier this week. Just waiting for delivery of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    I’ve been quoted £610 all in. Does that accord with yours?


    Not quite Tony
    This is the picture and price I was sent, and paid, RRP £508.35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post


    Not quite Tony
    This is the picture and price I was sent, and paid, RRP £508.35.

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    Thanks! That appears to be the price net of VAT, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Thanks! That appears to be the price net of VAT, though.
    No, I was clearly told that this is the RRP, which would definitely include VAT, and it is what I paid. I have not been asked for further payment.
    It is, however, not inclusive of other mark-ups...........

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    Tudor Boutique (Goldsmiths) was £610, so well done Dave :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    No, I was clearly told that this is the RRP, which would definitely include VAT, and it is what I paid. I have not been asked for further payment.
    It is, however, not inclusive of other mark-ups...........
    Given that if you multiply what you paid by 1.2 (to account for VAT @ 20%) you come almost exactly to £610, it sounds to me like you were in luck the day you bought it! Perhaps a mistake by an inexperienced assistant?

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    I have one vintage and one modern.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TF23 View Post
    Given that if you multiply what you paid by 1.2 (to account for VAT @ 20%) you come almost exactly to £610, it sounds to me like you were in luck the day you bought it! Perhaps a mistake by an inexperienced assistant?
    Yeah, that appears to be the case. Ordered and paid for mine today - £610 all in.

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    Collected mine, very nice.
    No mention of them forgetting to add the VAT, so I didn't ask....
    I still think that I paid the RRP, and that the others are asking for VAT on top because they can.

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    I've owned 4 Tudor subs. I sold the date models (a couple of 79090s and a blue 76100) a year or two before the prices went nuts. I still have a 94010 no date that I bought head only for $2500 (which I thought was stupid money). The 94010 came to me with RSC service papers and the anchor and polishing cloth. I bought the box from a dealer in Germany for $75 many years ago. It's not the right box for my watch but it looks nice. The bracelet is a Rolex 93150 but I do have a Tudor 9315 folded link that I kept when I sold the 76100 since the buyer wanted the newer 78500 solid link instead.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Collected mine, very nice.
    No mention of them forgetting to add the VAT, so I didn't ask....
    I still think that I paid the RRP, and that the others are asking for VAT on top because they can.
    They can’t do that Dave, nor is it even possible that all other dealers would be making the same error. You were just lucky!

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