Reply With QuoteMore nonsense.
Looks like it’s going to be a tough time for many - big posting to talk politics - just to say all stay safe and look after each other.
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More nonsense.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Without a vaccine we are going to have to learn to live with it. This lockdown is going to do serious harm to the economy.
Money isn’t everything. Better we’re all safe.Originally Posted by hilly10
Without a vaccine we are going to have to learn to live with it. This lockdown is going to do serious harm to the economy. Shops have been counting on a tiny form of normality to get people into shops in the run up to Christmas, now the only winners will be Amazon and the delivery drivers.
Vaccine. Is that the vaccine with no liability clause?
Keep it thanks... .
Try saying that to the youngsters who can’t find work for the next 5 years and people can’t pay their mortgages, then resort to taking their own lives.
Sorry to tell you buddy without an economy you will not be safe.
Excellent, another Covid thread.
More interesting than a lot off the threads to be honest
Government late for it's own U-Turn
Agreed. All that will happen is people will go mental before we lockdown and as soon as it’s over go mental again then and boom.... back to square one. The fact is people don’t seem to care and don’t follow the rules in the higher infected areas so..... what can you do?
FFS is there any good news anywhere?
How many deaths a day are acceptable to keep the shops open?
Without a viable economy how do you propose we fund the NHS, Schools, Police etc?
There is always a balance between the economy and making sure people have shops and jobs to go back to and controlling the death rate. Comments like this aren’t helpful or constructive.
We have spectacularly failed to fund them properly before Covid so it is just a matter of degree
8th richest country in the world aren't we?
Get rid of Trident you could fund it all for years
I am not saying that will happen but all these things are political choices
Brill. More Covid.
By the way...G&D....no politics.
1000 at least.
So is the delay because Boris is watching the news to see what he needs to do ...
G&D boys, G&D.....
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
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Those that test positive need a huge fine IF they chose not to isolate.
Tha sad fact is, this will be Groundhog Day for a long time to come.
Why is this in the G&D?
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So the usual people can have a dig at the government then say 'oh but it's the G and D so I'll say no more'.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
On a serious note a d genuine - my post was meant to say NOT posting to talk politics - how the hell did BIG come up ?
Oh well it’s up now - the police will shut it all down
Stay safe be kind
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Him and Hancock are out counting pumpkins.Hancock has an abacus with him.
Indeed, they'll introduce the 'B' word any time now.
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I hope some of my customers don’t get confused again - You can travel if it’s essential to your work -with -You can only travel if your work is essential”-Sick off explaining the last time!
That you just couldn't help yourself chirp in on......just sayin' Victor....
Without an economy there are no choices. There’s no trident or NHS.
As an aside the lifetime cost of Trident is circa 40bn. The yearly cost of the NHS is over 134bn.
From or with?
We will not be without an economy, we will have a reduced economy, so managing the money is important, not spunking £120bn on a useless track and trace system would go a long way.
From or with what?
What virus are we discussing?
It is interesting that of the 18k flu deaths a year we classify only 2k of these as caused 'by' flu and the rest 'with'. We don't seem to do the same with Covid for some reason. There is no 'by' or 'with'. Curious......
Cause of death is defined by a death certificate in the uk, this has two sections. section one is the direct cause and section two are other relevant health issues that are not a direct contributor but may be relevant.
Section 1 is broken down into 1a, 1b and 1c. Here 1a is the direct cause, if something triggered 1a this goes as 1b and if something cause this is goes as 1c. If someone for example gets lung cancer, gets chemotherapy which causes an impaired immune system leading to a chest infection and the patient also has diabetes the death certificate would be 1a) bacterial pneumonia 1b) iatrogenic neutropenia 1c) lung cancer 2) diabetes.
Part of the issue is that death certificates are based the health care professionals opinion and thus in the above situation I describe different doctors might put different things down. In addition the statistics quoted for flu related deaths produced by the ONS include cases where influenza is mentioned in section 2 of the death certificate. In such cases this would suggest that flu is in fact not the thing the patient died from in the view of the doctor but was mentioned as relevant none the less. So assessing how many patients died from flu is hard to actually quantify and largely subjective. In fact research by the ONS suggests that the cause of death is incorrect in about 22% of cases
(https://webarchive.nationalarchives....ification.html)
To make the comparison even more difficult the PHE definition of a Covid death includes those who die within 28days of a positive Covid result. This is irrespective of the other circumstances so includes both patients on ICU recovering from Covid or someone hit by a bus.
As a result comparing flu deaths and Covid deaths is not useful due to the differences in definitions and underlying subjectivity.
As per gmc guidelines I must declare myself to be a hospital physician and health informatician when posting about medical issues and health informatics online.
Sorry for the long post but I felt this was important to share.
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Let me have a guess
Hmm this thread is about lock down due to Covid-19 but I might be talking about Hepatitis B.
What virus do you think I am talking about?
Thank you, very insightful.
No one is safe from life, this is wrecking a lot of futures.
If you think this shambles is going to keep us safe, you're liable to be disappointed...
M
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Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
What happens after another 4 weeks?
Do we magically return to our previous life?
In 4 weeks the virus will have gotten so frustrated about people hiding indoors it will mutate to become a rainbow.
Very informative thank you
I have one question. When you say assessing how many patients died from flu is hard to quantify and largely subjective, would the same be true of Covid?
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Will there be a pot of gold at the end to pay for all this nonsense?
Oh no, rainbows. Better get the paints out again. When does the clapping start?
Thanks for the post. I did not know that. Very informative.
It is odd that they can’t tell us whether a person died because they caught Covid or not.
What was it they changed a while back when they knocked a load off the number? Was that when they put the 28 day limit on it?
I assume the daily numbers will miss a few people who died from Covid but fought it for longer than 28 days and are therefor not included in the figures.
You knew it would be controversial and politically charged but posted in G&D, maybe your just trying to start an agro thread?
The Bear Pit is the place for this but I suspect you guessed it would be lost in all the other CV threads..
Even the North Koreans only have to suffer that carry-on once a year.
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