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    Clocks going back?

    Just been reading a local online Devon newspaper where there are calls to scrap the clocks going back this year to give an extra hour in the evening to help shops and businesses take more money after the tough year they’ve all had.

    They had stats to show a lot more people die in road accidents after the clocks go back than before they go back each year in the evening, though I guess the counter of that means there could be more accidents in the morning.

    Apparently it’s been tried in the past and didn’t work.

    There must have been 200 plus comments and I’d say over 80% we’re in favour of scrapping it.

    I know some people find this hard, but it’s G&D so without pushing any political views, curious as to what people think? Until I read it just now I’d not given it a thought.

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    I think it gets discusssd every year yet nothing happens.

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    Always thought it was unnecessary.
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    I think many people who favour scrapping it seem to think that if the clocks stay as they are now, the planet won’t move around the sun any further and we’ll have lighter evenings and lighter mornings.

    The question is, do you prefer getting up and going to work in the dark or having your evenings get dark earlier.

    Having spent time in Germany last winter, I can say 100% I’d rather it was lighter earlier in the morning. It was miserable getting up and walking to an exhibition hall at 8am in the darkness every morning in Cologne.

    We can’t have it both ways!

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    It was looking like 2021 would be the last year that daylight savings time would be observed in the EU, but that's most likely going to get pushed back a year or so because of COVID-19 and other political goings on.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...time-from-2021

    As others have said, this has been a topic of discussion, especially from folk in the North of Scotland where it gets quite a bit darker sooner than Devon for many a year now. As yet, nothing has changed.

    In my line of work, everything runs on UTC anyway, regardless of where it is!

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    Time zones and specifically 'daylight saving' regimes that change on different days around the world are a very small part of my job but a significant annoyance.

    If I ruled the world I'd scrap daylight savings regimes worldwide.

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    Scrap it. It's unecessary.

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    I remember them not doing it when I was a kid, around 1968/69 if I remember rightly. All the school kids were issued with Fluorescent arm bands as they had to go to school in the dark. I think at the time it was done to benefit farmers and the like. They only did it the once.

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    We need to think "outside the box". Like morse code, mechanical watches and vaccines, the concept of time as a constant is truly an anachronism that belongs in the history books. How about if time wasn't a constant but a variable that matched the seasons? Every day, the sun would rise at 0630 and set again at 1830 - the technology is already there for modern timekeeping devices to adjust themselves to the daily progress of this fourth dimension.
    Why hasn't this happened yet? I'll tell you why - lizards. We're through the looking glass here people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    We need to think "outside the box". Like morse code, mechanical watches and vaccines, the concept of time as a constant is truly an anachronism that belongs in the history books. How about if time wasn't a constant but a variable that matched the seasons? Every day, the sun would rise at 0630 and set again at 1830 - the technology is already there for modern timekeeping devices to adjust themselves to the daily progress of this fourth dimension.
    Why hasn't this happened yet? I'll tell you why - lizards. We're through the looking glass here people...
    Traditional Japanese timekeeping had variable hours - six of daylight and six of night.

    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...nese-Clock-Kit



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    Traditional Japanese timekeeping had variable hours - six of daylight and six of night.
    Thanks for the links - that is all very new to me and pretty interesting reading indeed! Such a shame that this excellent ancient Japanese technology has obviously been suppressed over the years by the illuminati. Or lizards (sponsored by Rolex).

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    I would find longer evenings more useful. As for the lizard theory, I grew up on "V", so I'm in.

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    In Inverness, by no means the most northerly part of the UK, the sunrise is around 9am at the end of December.

    Making that 10 seems a bit daft, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    In Inverness, by no means the most northerly part of the UK, the sunrise is around 9am at the end of December.

    Making that 10 seems a bit daft, no?
    And sunset is 3.30 currently, so if we stayed on GMT + 1 the school kids would stand a chance of getting home in daylight. Either way they're getting to school in the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plw View Post
    And sunset is 3.30 currently, so if we stayed on GMT + 1 the school kids would stand a chance of getting home in daylight. Either way they're getting to school in the dark.
    Abolish schools!

    One way or the other, how do Scandinavian kids cope with this when it's dark all day (and have a superior education system at the same time!?)*

    Menno

    * Schools in Finland don't start before 9AM and close at 2:45PM.
    Last edited by thieuster; 20th October 2020 at 22:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    I remember them not doing it when I was a kid, around 1968/69 if I remember rightly. All the school kids were issued with Fluorescent arm bands as they had to go to school in the dark. I think at the time it was done to benefit farmers and the like. They only did it the once.
    I remember that Ken, I think they blamed accidents in the morning for the reason to revert

    Steve

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    We should all adopt swatch internet time...

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    If they could wind them forward about 6 months, that’d be great...

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    My Canadian wife learned a rhyme at school in Toronto with all sorts of easy to remember phrases/memory tricks (mnemonic it's called in English I think). Part of the rhyme was: In Spring the clock springs forward and in Fall it falls back.

    In Dutch we don't have a memory trick for summertime/wintertime. My kids, partly raised in English, never had the 'what happens with the clock this weekend?' question.

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    I think its a complete anachronism - stopping moving he clocks it seems completely pointless

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    I’d prefer to scrap it, but it would be odd if the UK was never on GMT


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    Lolz, it's always 'the details' that catch people out.
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