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    Fake Daytona

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CGc63G9H...=11jj6gemkvim3

    Please note itís USA Milton, not the one from TZ

    Looks like thereís some controversy, I donít know enough to comment either way but if it is fake itís a good copy

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    Surprising, as Iíd always understood them as one on the experts in vintage world stateside - when Perezcope and his followers break down the tells in the comments, they mount up to quite a few that I hope would raise red flags to an experienced dealer.

    The kicker is that after heís contacted HQMilton twice to warn them that the watch was a fake, they didnít remove it from sale but proceeded to reduce the price. Not good.


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    Thereís no way to view this without signing up for an instagram account; any chance of a screen shot?

    I find it hard to believe (impossible) that Heywood wouldnít recognise / sell a fake. Does he have a branch in America? Sorry, all a bit confused from the OP!

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    NOT anything to do with HAywood Milton!!

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    HQ Milton are a well known Rolex specialist in the US and have no relationship, and shouldnít be confused with, any similarly known watch dealers on the UK.


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    Exactly, nothing to do with our Mr Haywood Milton. This is the San Francisco-based outlet HQ Milton, established by Scott Kaplan and Jacek Kozubek. The latter moved on a few years ago and now trades separately.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ach5 View Post
    Thereís no way to view this without signing up for an instagram account; any chance of a screen shot?

    I find it hard to believe (impossible) that Heywood wouldnít recognise / sell a fake. Does he have a branch in America? Sorry, all a bit confused from the OP!
    Absolutely nothing to do with Hayward Milton from TZ UK. Nothing at all.

    This link will work for you.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CGc63G9HfTh/

    hqmilton have since said the below.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CGdlMGtndVD/

    "Not 100% correct" is one way of putting it. Imagine Pizza Hut putting out a statement that their meat feast pizza was "not 100% vegetarian". This also doesn't seem to be the first time hqmilton have been caught in this type of behaviour. After being contacted by Jose and told it was fake with evidence they reduced the price by 1.7%.

    Jose is very well regarded in the watch world and features on websites often for expertise in the vintage field.

    https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ev...article-almost

    https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/un...x-daytona-6240

    For the last link search the page for "Perez" and it will take you to the correction hodinkee make based off Jose's findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ach5 View Post
    Thereís no way to view this without signing up for an instagram account; any chance of a screen shot?

    I find it hard to believe (impossible) that Heywood wouldnít recognise / sell a fake. Does he have a branch in America? Sorry, all a bit confused from the OP!
    There you go Ach



    HQ Milton have pulled it down, issued an apology and returned it to owner

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    Indeed, HQ Milton was never anything to do with me or any of my companies, nor indeed any of my extended family or their companies.

    It was always a frustration that HQM chose to name their business thus.

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    I thought HQ Milton US was a highly regarded trusted dealer, scary, especially surprised at initial non response, unacceptable.

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    Can anyone explain what the tell tale signs are. I can't see any difference in the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaffe View Post
    Can anyone explain what the tell tale signs are. I can't see any difference in the pictures.
    This might help. For me it proves even more what a minefield vintage is and that I'll never buy one. If someone at that price can get conned I have no chance.

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    The HQMilton in question has taken the watch down now. Apparently it was in on consignment. They've published a lengthy apology on their own Instagram page.

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    Interesting then if the auction house would be liable for the initial selling of it as genuine.



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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    The HQMilton in question has taken the watch down now. Apparently it was in on consignment. They've published a lengthy apology on their own Instagram page.
    Not lengthy enough. No mention of them ignoring being told and waiting to be outed instead. No mention either of reducing the price when they were emailed by Jose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Not lengthy enough. No mention of them ignoring being told and waiting to be outed instead. No mention either of reducing the price when they were emailed by Jose.
    Agree, 1000x worse than the hodinkee travel clock

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    This might help. For me it proves even more what a minefield vintage is and that I'll never buy one. If someone at that price can get conned I have no chance.
    Thanks. One would certainly have to be a specialist to spot that. Quite remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    This might help. For me it proves even more what a minefield vintage is and that I'll never buy one. If someone at that price can get conned I have no chance.
    Fair point. The best way to get a vintage Rolex is to buy a new one, then wait a few decades until it's a vintage model. It's a strategy that worked well for me.

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    Not just fake movement, other fake parts spotted also...






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