Tesla Model 3 Performance *Review*

[Pitch3110]

Well chaps after a lot of thought I took the massive leap into the unknown and decided that my next motor would be an EV.

Background... I have over the last 20 odd years predominantly had VAG group cars in the garage (exception 1 BMW) with new A4's, A5's, A6, Golf GTI's, Golf R's (wifey's current) the latest Q7 and my last car the New XC90. All of these have been my own cars due to BIK and the last six years PCH's.

With the tax breaks, grants and BIK I decided that my next car would be an EV through my business.

Pre-lockdown I had switched between a Model S then I-Pace and in May settled on the M3P. Why???? Model S tech seemed a bit old hat although still one handsome car and perhaps just a little to big for me, plus probably not a great image given the current clime. The I-Pace looked on paper a great choice but still very conventional inside and light years behind Tesla for technology. Lots of review reading and Youtube time and there is no question the Model 3 is probably the best EV out there and then there is of course the Tesla SC network which is way ahead of the infrastructure other EV's have to rely on. After all it is probably the biggest consideration.

The whole buying and delivery process has been the most refreshing experience I have had procuring a car in years. No suited BS or sir malarky, no haggling or to and fro dealerships just wasting time in gleaming sales machines full of suits. The whole extra and option process was just so tiresome and a feeling of being ripped off for everything.

Enter Tesla. What model, colour of paint and interior, SR, LR or Performance, 100 quid down, car ordered, job done, wait for your car to be matched, that simple. Why do, and have we, put up with the old way for so long when it can be this simple.

Friday 4th September car transporter turns up, drops the car off, quick signature and the car is mine. How simple again????

Now the car, where do I start. Firstly the interior is like nothing else on the market, it is unique. For me it is the most cleanest and functional place to sit there is. With the white interior and glass roof the space is amazing you do not feel you are sitting in a small saloon. The whole driver interface is just so easy and after an hour I felt like I had lived in it for years, it is that easy to navigate around and don't get me started on the screen speed of it. It shows the German systems up hands down for their sluggishness and archaic menus. Ventilation is on another level with such a controllable single vest instead of the old flappy things we have lived with for years. And it works.

The whole entertainment system with Netflix, Youtube, the full browser, Spotify, the games, mapping and the 4K quality of the screen is again just amazing. Sound is the best I have experienced and in the past has included B&O and Bose in cars.

The built is dash cam and sentry modes are such a nice touch and the quality of the cameras is again very very good. To just run through past trips and view also people starring into the car and reactions is funny.

Critics have been scathing about the lack of speedo in front of the driver and the whole in the middle thing is wrong. My first car memory was of my Dads Mini Cooper S in 1969, guess where the speedo was. I have not had an issue with at all in the M3P.

EV's are becoming increasingly know for the power and the delivery of torque in the M3P in brutal, it has been timed at 2.9 (3.2 official) 0-60 and it just pulls and pulls at any speed. It literally is like a scalextrix car it is that instant and smooth. Search Youtube and see what it does to the other premium fast saloons and supercars.

Handling is sure footed and planted with its 4WD system. Switch to track mode, stick the power to the rear and it will drift like a proper rear wheel drive machine.

Running costs, 100 mile charge is costing approx £2.00 to £2.50 on our current tariff which is incredible for a 490bhp car, its peanuts.

So the downsides. The quality of the panel fit is here and there in places and I have couple of very small dodgy bits of paint. The closing of the doors, trunk and boot do not make that nice German clunk. No power lift on the boot, what the hell is that about. The look..... its like the designers had months on the side and rear which to me are just stunning and then 5 minutes on the front, it one ugly f$@ker, like its been punched hard in it's face.

I have logged my concerns on the app (again fantastic and it WORKS) and it will be interesting to see what the aftersales is like. Not holding my breath though.....

All in all, 10 days in I have so made the right choice the car is just so refreshing to use. I fully appreciate it will not be everyones cuppa and there many many Elon and Tesla haters out there and true petrol heads will shudder at the thought of this silent motoring but it IS the future.

This company is a baby in comparison to all other major car makers out there and Tesla have just ripped 'the book' up and started a fresh and after years of being sniggered at I am sure all the other car manufacturers are beginning to sit up and think......

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Pitch


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[snap399]

Good job Timefactors isn't open all the time or when waiting st the lights you might get bored and end up buying some of Eddie's master pieces. Great review, I'm thinking of going for the cyber truck or Y. I nearly bought a 3 longrange, in the end got an A5 love my car but think I made a mistake, the buying process broke me, what a jolly nightmare. The wife has a model X and loves it and the sound system blows the B&O in the A5 away.

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[Matdaytona]

Well chaps after a lot of thought I took the massive leap into the unknown and decided that my next motor would be an EV.

Background... I have over the last 20 odd years predominantly had VAG group cars in the garage (exception 1 BMW) with new A4's, A5's, A6, Golf GTI's, Golf R's (wifey's current) the latest Q7 and my last car the New XC90. All of these have been my own cars due to BIK and the last six years PCH's.

With the tax breaks, grants and BIK I decided that my next car would be an EV through my business.

Pre-lockdown I had switched between a Model S then I-Pace and in May settled on the M3P. Why???? Model S tech seemed a bit old hat although still one handsome car and perhaps just a little to big for me, plus probably not a great image given the current clime. The I-Pace looked on paper a great choice but still very conventional inside and light years behind Tesla for technology. Lots of review reading and Youtube time and there is no question the Model 3 is probably the best EV out there and then there is of course the Tesla SC network which is way ahead of the infrastructure other EV's have to rely on. After all it is probably the biggest consideration.

The whole buying and delivery process has been the most refreshing experience I have had procuring a car in years. No suited BS or sir malarky, no haggling or to and fro dealerships just wasting time in gleaming sales machines full of suits. The whole extra and option process was just so tiresome and a feeling of being ripped off for everything.

Enter Tesla. What model, colour of paint and interior, SR, LR or Performance, 100 quid down, car ordered, job done, wait for your car to be matched, that simple. Why do, and have we, put up with the old way for so long when it can be this simple.

Friday 4th September car transporter turns up, drops the car off, quick signature and the car is mine. How simple again????

Now the car, where do I start. Firstly the interior is like nothing else on the market, it is unique. For me it is the most cleanest and functional place to sit there is. With the white interior and glass roof the space is amazing you do not feel you are sitting in a small saloon. The whole driver interface is just so easy and after an hour I felt like I had lived in it for years, it is that easy to navigate around and don't get me started on the screen speed of it. It shows the German systems up hands down for their sluggishness and archaic menus. Ventilation is on another level with such a controllable single vest instead of the old flappy things we have lived with for years. And it works.

The whole entertainment system with Netflix, Youtube, the full browser, Spotify, the games, mapping and the 4K quality of the screen is again just amazing. Sound is the best I have experienced and in the past has included B&O and Bose in cars.

The built is dash cam and sentry modes are such a nice touch and the quality of the cameras is again very very good. To just run through past trips and view also people starring into the car and reactions is funny.

Critics have been scathing about the lack of speedo in front of the driver and the whole in the middle thing is wrong. My first car memory was of my Dads Mini Cooper S in 1969, guess where the speedo was. I have not had an issue with at all in the M3P.

EV's are becoming increasingly know for the power and the delivery of torque in the M3P in brutal, it has been timed at 2.9 (3.2 official) 0-60 and it just pulls and pulls at any speed. It literally is like a scalextrix car it is that instant and smooth. Search Youtube and see what it does to the other premium fast saloons and supercars.

Handling is sure footed and planted with its 4WD system. Switch to track mode, stick the power to the rear and it will drift like a proper rear wheel drive machine.

Running costs, 100 mile charge is costing approx £2.00 to £2.50 on our current tariff which is incredible for a 490bhp car, its peanuts.

So the downsides. The quality of the panel fit is here and there in places and I have couple of very small dodgy bits of paint. The closing of the doors, trunk and boot do not make that nice German clunk. No power lift on the boot, what the hell is that about. The look..... its like the designers had months on the side and rear which to me are just stunning and then 5 minutes on the front, it one ugly f$@ker, like its been punched hard in it's face.

I have logged my concerns on the app (again fantastic and it WORKS) and it will be interesting to see what the aftersales is like. Not holding my breath though.....

All in all, 10 days in I have so made the right choice the car is just so refreshing to use. I fully appreciate it will not be everyones cuppa and there many many Elon and Tesla haters out there and true petrol heads will shudder at the thought of this silent motoring but it IS the future.

This company is a baby in comparison to all other major car makers out there and Tesla have just ripped 'the book' up and started a fresh and after years of being sniggered at I am sure all the other car manufacturers are beginning to sit up and think......

Some pic's

Pitch


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Just done the same I’ve traded the Bentley v8 for a taycan 4s so far so good all done through the business makes sense for the next 3 years at least then who knows

[mrmeat]

Well done on making the leap, more people need to know how great EVs are and if you really analyse your journeys they do fit with a lot of lifestyles.

I've had my I-Pace since June and it's fantastic. Lots of long trips undertaken and I don't regret the decision.

Would like to see a review of the Taycan by a real owner. Lining that one up when the Jag needs to go back...

[Foxy100]

You mean you have to lift the bootlid yourself?

[Kingstepper]

You mean you have to lift the bootlid yourself?

How do people manage with their front door?

[ach5]

Hello, thanks for this review. I’m glad that you’re so happy with your purchase!

Please would you kindly post some daytime photo of the inside, as it’s hard to get a real feel for it from your photos; which look awesome and stylish but I can’t really see much. Also of the glass roof from inside.

I know nothing of these cars; you suggests that there’s no ‘options’ ie everything is included that is available - I like this approach! Is it fully electric? No mechanical engine at all?

Looks great! Thanks for taking the time to share! Enjoy!

[Tifa]

You mean you have to lift the bootlid yourself?

*shudders*

[Matdaytona]

Well done on making the leap, more people need to know how great EVs are and if you really analyse your journeys they do fit with a lot of lifestyles.

I've had my I-Pace since June and it's fantastic. Lots of long trips undertaken and I don't regret the decision.

Would like to see a review of the Taycan by a real owner. Lining that one up when the Jag needs to go back...

Hmmm I think I’m real at least I was the last time I looked

[mrmeat]

Hmmm I think I’m real at least I was the last time I looked

Fair point, I meant not someone on the internet paid to do a positive review...

[Ares]

An EV would suit our driving habits perfectly, but regrettably any larger EV is currently still too expensive to purchase. So petrol it is for the foreseeable future.

[KingKitega]

Thanks for sharing Pitch. It's an awesome car and I'm sure very fun to drive. I've been looking at the M3LR as my next car too. Just waiting for a trade in value for my existing Model S which is coming to 6 years old now. I would get the Model Y but no idea when that will be ready - sounds more like late 2021 at least.

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[KingKitega]

Also can you share about the benefits/cons of buying through a business?



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[pugster]

i remember being behind what i think was an 's' model tesla a few months ago on my motorbike - to say its acceleration from 60> surprised me was an understatement for what is quite a big and heavy car.

[TaketheCannoli]

Maybe it's like bringing Apollo 13 back to earth, the auto boot lift was the one task that tipped the power-bank over the limit. It's not necessary so had to be ditched.

I've just built a top spec Model S and a top spec M5 on their respective websites. The M5 comes in £18k more expensive than the Tesla with poorer performance, technical kit and warranty. However the M5 makes an amazing noise which might be worth £18 to some people. I suppose when you're financing £116k over four or five years, an extra £18k won't make too much difference.

No power lift on the boot, what the hell is that about.

[stuie-t]

I have had an e-tron for the last 8 months and can’t imagine getting another ICE car now. In fact we are going to replace my wife’s fiesta with a VW e-up too.
I don’t think I would like the central instrument panel on the Tesla, the lack of any noise to indicate speed and the speedo out of sight line is likely to lead to inadvertently speeding in my opinion, but then I don’t even like driving a car without a head up display!
There is definitely a lot that the big car manufacturers can learn from Tesla such as keeping the product simple and not having lots of unnecessary options. Tesla are consistently at the bottom of the reliability rankings though so there is plenty that they could learn from the likes of Honda and Toyota on build quality.



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[Saint-Just]

Regardless of the good and bad points of a Tesla, their charging point network and the time it takes to charge beats every other manufacturer hands down. So much so that I am surprised none of the big ones have successfully found a way to compete with the network, or even better for the consumer found a way to licence access to it.

[stuie-t]

Regardless of the good and bad points of a Tesla, their charging point network and the time it takes to charge beats every other manufacturer hands down. So much so that I am surprised none of the big ones have successfully found a way to compete with the network, or even better for the consumer found a way to licence access to it.

This is only an issue if you regularly drive 200+ miles in a day. I have used a public charger twice in the 8 months I have had my e-tron and in both instances a 50kwh charger was available and had sufficiently topped up the battery in the time it took to have a coffee and loo break


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[adrianw]

Regardless of the good and bad points of a Tesla, their charging point network and the time it takes to charge beats every other manufacturer hands down. So much so that I am surprised none of the big ones have successfully found a way to compete with the network, or even better for the consumer found a way to licence access to it.

with regard to infrastructure i think that it is just that Tesla started first, also the other manufacturers are sitting back waiting for the independents to pick it up, Power, credit card and fuel companies, I think this is a floored plan.

[thegreatdogwood]

I think battery life will be a key determinant - not in the sense of how many miles per charge, but degradation over time.

AS EV's get older, the financial exposure to replacement batteries increases. Over time there will surely be better battery life, aftermarket options, etc. At present if you have a 5 to 8 year warranty on a battery for a car you might own for a number of years, you need to keep one eye on the cost IF the battery pack did fail as am guessing the replacement cost could exceed the value of the car at that stage.

[Dave+63]

I think battery life will be a key determinant - not in the sense of how many miles per charge, but degradation over time.

AS EV's get older, the financial exposure to replacement batteries increases. Over time there will surely be better battery life, aftermarket options, etc. At present if you have a 5 to 8 year warranty on a battery for a car you might own for a number of years, you need to keep one eye on the cost IF the battery pack did fail as am guessing the replacement cost could exceed the value of the car at that stage.

Battery life and degradation really isn’t an issue. It’s doubtful anyone will ever have to replace one. It’s certainly less of an issue than the potential to have to replace the engine or gearbox on an old ICE.

Also, whilst a battery does degrade, it does so slowly so even if your early Leaf eventually gets down to a forty mile range, it’s still perfectly adequate for someone who does only 30mikes a day.

[PhilipK]

You lost me at "The whole entertainment system with Netflix, Youtube, the full browser, Spotify, the games, mapping and the 4K quality of the screen". Until then I thought that I was reading a review of a motor car.

[Dave+63]

You’re right Marc, the Tesla is certainly far and away the best option for anyone who regularly does high mileage journeys.

I don’t think that the other manufacturers really care about charging infrastructure in the same way that they don’t care about refuelling ICE vehicles.

On another point, my brother bought a model X through his company and says he’ll save over 50% of the vehicle costs in tax/fuel savings over three years which will more than offset the depreciation. He’s therefore getting three years free motoring (except servicing and insurance).

[redmonaco]

You’re right Marc, the Tesla is certainly far and away the best option for anyone who regularly does high mileage journeys.

I don’t think that the other manufacturers really care about charging infrastructure in the same way that they don’t care about refuelling ICE vehicles.

On another point, my brother bought a model X through his company and says he’ll save over 50% of the vehicle costs in tax/fuel savings over three years which will more than offset the depreciation. He’s therefore getting three years free motoring (except servicing and insurance).

Anyone got an idea of servicing costs on EVs as it surely should be a lot cheaper than with Mechanicals

[Dave+63]

Anyone got an idea of servicing costs on EVs as it surely should be a lot cheaper than with Mechanicals

Tesla are quite pricey I believe. I stopped having my Nissan serviced once it’s warranty had expired because it’s a con. It’s just a quick check over with brake fluid replacement bi annually.

The MOT is far more thorough than the checks they carry out during a “service”!

[Saint-Just]

You’re right Marc, the Tesla is certainly far and away the best option for anyone who regularly does high mileage journeys.

I don’t think that the other manufacturers really care about charging infrastructure in the same way that they don’t care about refuelling ICE vehicles.

On another point, my brother bought a model X through his company and says he’ll save over 50% of the vehicle costs in tax/fuel savings over three years which will more than offset the depreciation. He’s therefore getting three years free motoring (except servicing and insurance).

You are correct in terms of their current lack of interest. It's a mistake that will cost them dearly only because that's the crack Elon used to flood the market (OK, flood is probably excessive, but it helped my analogy of the crack ).

Yes a private network can be set up: but the charging speed of Tesla isn't matched. Stuie-t is absolutely right when he says it only affects those who drive longer distances. But it is still a considerable market, especially for Merc, BMW, and the likes.

I personally don't believe EV are the future, but they are a step towards it and will soon replace ICEs for commuters. Tesla should commercialise a dedicated taxi, because at the moment no other EV can touch this market.

[adrianw]

You are correct in terms of their current lack of interest. It's a mistake that will cost them dearly only because that's the crack Elon used to flood the market (OK, flood is probably excessive, but it helped my analogy of the crack ).

Yes a private network can be set up: but the charging speed of Tesla isn't matched. Stuie-t is absolutely right when he says it only affects those who drive longer distances. But it is still a considerable market, especially for Merc, BMW, and the likes.

I personally don't believe EV are the future, but they are a step towards it and will soon replace ICEs for commuters. Tesla should market a dedicated taxi, because at the moment no there EV can touch this market.

11kw chargers don't add up, unless they start building more power stations

Hydrogen is the future, either fuel cell of I/C, Toyota have hung their hat on it and it does make sense, also the world will run out of the minerals to make batteries very quickly, there is a rumour going around that already there is not enough resources to replace all of the batteries in the current installed base.

[Dave+63]

11kw chargers don't add up, unless they start building more power stations

Hydrogen is the future, either fuel cell of I/C, Toyota have hung their hat on it and it does make sense, also the world will run out of the minerals to make batteries very quickly, there is a rumour going around that already there is not enough resources to replace all of the batteries in the current installed base.

I disagree about hydrogen, it’s a dead end IMHO. It makes absolutely no sense to use electricity to produce hydrogen (at about 25% efficiency) and then turn it back into electricity to drive the car.

I’m sure there will be applications for it but it’ll never be mainstream.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say re the 11kw chargers. If it’s that you’ll need many more power generating sources to run them, then, once again, hydrogen will need three times as many as EV.

I also believe that Toyota have been incredibly short sighted in hanging their hat on hydrogen and also realise that they have been. That’s the reason they’ve indoctrinated (almost) the whole population to believe that “self charging hybrid” is somehow better than EV.

[Kingstepper]

I disagree about hydrogen, it’s a dead end IMHO. It makes absolutely no sense to use electricity to produce hydrogen (at about 25% efficiency) and then turn it back into electricity to drive the car.

I’m sure there will be applications for it but it’ll never be mainstream.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say re the 11kw chargers. If it’s that you’ll need many more power generating sources to run them, then, once again, hydrogen will need three times as many as EV.

I also believe that Toyota have been incredibly short sighted in hanging their hat on hydrogen and also realise that they have been. That’s the reason they’ve indoctrinated (almost) the whole population to believe that “self charging hybrid” is somehow better than EV.

Less than 5% of hydrogen is produced using electricity and even here the efficiency is >60%.

I think it’s far from a dead end.

[Saint-Just]

I agree with hydrogen being the future.

But I would like to see a credible source for that kind of rumours ;) as Li-ion batteries can be recycled almost totally.
There is a cost, of course, and for the moment it’s cheaper to mine the lithium. But the technology is there to recycle it.

[CriticalMass]

I agree with hydrogen being the future.

But I would like to see a credible source for that kind of rumours ;) as Li-ion batteries can be recycled almost totally.
There is a cost, of course, and for the moment it’s cheaper to mine the lithium. But the technology is there to recycle it.

Recycling lithium batteries is extremely difficult and currently only a very small percentage are recycled. I asked about this recently on a Radio 4 phone in and the ‘expert’ view was that at 8-10 years car batteries would be changed out and the old ones used in domestic situations for storage of solar power.

Availability of lithium isn’t really the issue - the other key element in battery manufacture is cobalt - which is not only relatively scarce but also tends to come from tricky places like the DRC where is is frequently mined using child labour....

[Tooks]

Recycling lithium batteries is extremely difficult and currently only a very small percentage are recycled. I asked about this recently on a Radio 4 phone in and the ‘expert’ view was that at 8-10 years car batteries would be changed out and the old ones used in domestic situations for storage of solar power.

Availability of lithium isn’t really the issue - the other key element in battery manufacture is cobalt - which is not only relatively scarce but also tends to come from tricky places like the DRC where is is frequently mined using child labour....

Cobalt is used in all sorts of things, including so called ‘super alloys’ used in aircraft turbines and other critical applications, medical joints/replacements, the desulphurisation of petrol as well as lithium batteries, the majority of which until very recently were going into mobile devices and other electronics, so it’s unfair to single out EVs as the bad guys.

There are several cobalt free lithium batteries under evaluation and it’s expected that Tesla will be the first to market. Cobalt is expensive stuff and avoiding its use would help lower battery prices.

We shouldn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good in this regard.

[CriticalMass]

.......so it’s unfair to single out EVs as the bad guys.

Sorry - not my intent. I’m actually considering an EV myself.

However not unreasonable to note that there are downsides to what is largely an environmentally great solution.

[Boss13]

I drove one once and was genuinely impressed by the speed of the thing.
Once you get over that party trick and study the car you notice it performs well as an all-round saloon car. It is very futuristic and non-conventional as Pitch's pics show. But it is a very composed and standard saloon car when it wants to be.

Great review Pitch.

[Tooks]

Sorry - not my intent. I’m actually considering an EV myself.

However not unreasonable to note that there are downsides to what is largely an environmentally great solution.

I wasn’t having a go either, I’m on my third EV now and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been asked about the Cobalt issue, which is surprising. Almost sometimes before they ask how far it goes on a charge and how long it takes!

I’ll be honest, I didn’t buy mine for any green credentials, I got it because I think they’re technically interesting and very nice to drive. The fact my ‘petrol station’ is now on my drive is a plus, I haven’t visited one in years now, unless it’s also got a rapid charger in the forecourt.

The OPs Tesla is lovely, and a proper performance car, and the Tesla charging network is good, although it’s still not omnipresent and you may find you need to divert to one on longer journeys.

Fortunately, you can still use the other networks out there, Instavolt in particular have been quietly building a really good network of rapid chargers in banks of 2 to 8 chargers, reliable and reasonably priced to use too.

The new ID.3 will be on my shortlist for me, if it isn’t Tesla shaped, the bigger batteries will make public charging infrequent on all but the longest journeys.

[stuie-t]

EVs are a no brainer as a company car if you can live with the range limitations, given the BIK savings. The Tesla 3 performance is available on our car scheme for a net £500/month over 3 years, by the time you factor in that also includes maintenance, insurance, and no down payment it probably is not far off half the cost on a PCH.


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[Onelasttime]

Are we saying there's no cassette player? Rubbish!

[damperman]

What are the resale values like on these Tesla models. I’ve heard that they are not that good.


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[Dave+63]

What are the resale values like on these Tesla models. I’ve heard that they are not that good.


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Six year old model S are just dipping below £30k. They were about £60k new.

They really do hold value well, certainly much better than ICE.

[damperman]

Hmmm, might have a look around, see what’s going. I do fancy a Tesla. But have been looking at the VW


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[Ares]

With hybrids there might be the next scandal brewing... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

[Dave+63]

With hybrids there might be the next scandal brewing... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

I don’t think so. The plug in hybrids can be very economical if used correctly. Unfortunately, most are bought as company cars to reduce BIK and are just used as normal cars without ever being plugged in.

It’s not the manufacturers’ fault, more the government for erroneously incentivising company car users.

[Chris_in_the_UK]

I don’t think so. The plug in hybrids can be very economical if used correctly. Unfortunately, most are bought as company cars to reduce BIK and are just used as normal cars without ever being plugged in.

It’s not the manufacturers’ fault, more the government for erroneously incentivising company car users.

This is one of the real paradigms - the perception is being engineered this way as there are limited options for full EV. Coupled to that, I will never consider a £1000 a month (Tesla) lease as a viable option for use of a car as a private individual. For a business user the financials are very different.

When you add the time for the vehicle to be truly carbon neutral the numbers are still not great in terms of production, use and disposal.

[Mj2k]

Glad you love it & see very honest thoughts, especially the front...we described it previously as a frog that had been whacked on the head, all other views are great though.

I love the tech on these, love the drive but seriously miss the noise of a NA engine, turbo stuff less so.

When I had a ltd company it worked out very cost effective to mitigate corp tax against a 'free' car, so was sorely tempted but felt I wasn't going to be doing what I did longer term (variety of family reasons), so returned to corporate PAYE...still love the torque & instant grunt of them & it is just full on grin inducing! Even when I go in my friends who have S / 3 / I-pace, they all make me laugh like an idiot of full 'throttle', or whatever it should be called!

That shine is astounding too, but knowing your approach to pizzas am guessing a few photos & angles until you found the sweet spot lol

[Dave+63]

Batteries really are a non issue.

The car will fall apart around the battery before it becomes unusable.

The cost of replacement is about as relevant (less probably) as the cost of replacing the engine and gearbox in an ICE. No one gets hung up about that when buying a car!

That’s stunning Pitch, it looks like science fiction!

[vagabond]

Beautiful car,( though perhaps less so front the front) and a lovely interior too.

Interested in the "one pedal" comment - can you elaborate please? Always thought it had a conventional pedal layout like an auto.

[Pitch3110]

Beautiful car,( though perhaps less so front the front) and a lovely interior too.

Interested in the "one pedal" comment - can you elaborate please? Always thought it had a conventional pedal layout like an auto.

Spot on regards the front, god knows what they were thinking.

There is of course brake and accelerator peddle but when you take your foot of the accelerator the cars comes to a complete standstill and pretty quick. You can of course feather the peddle and the car slows whilst regenerating the battery. I drove 20+ miles to Norwich on Saturday and did not touch the brake until I parked in the multi storey car park. Brake dust on the wheels is a thing of the past.

Pitch

[vagabond]

Thanks, didn't know that. I thought that once off the accelerator, the car would "coast" similar to an old fashioned auto.

[Dave+63]

Thanks, didn't know that. I thought that once off the accelerator, the car would "coast" similar to an old fashioned auto.

By using the motor as a brake, the kinetic energy of the car in motion can be converted back to electrical energy to be reused later and so giving much greater mileage from the battery.
In my van, I typically do 33% of my mileage using regenerated energy.

In practice, it feels like strong engine braking in a conventional ICE.

[stuie-t]

Thanks, didn't know that. I thought that once off the accelerator, the car would "coast" similar to an old fashioned auto.

A number of EVs have flappy paddles on the steering wheel to vary the amount of regen. With the regen turned down it feels like the car will just coast for ever in perpetual motion, at maximum it slows the car pretty quickly. I tend to have it off on the motorway, maximum around town. It’s a very different way of driving, in particular when you are pushing on it’s great how you can finely control your speed either faster or slower through bends with just small movements of your right foot!
I also find that I use the adaptive cruise much more than I used to in an ICE car, it seems to really help with the efficiency.


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