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    Quote Originally Posted by enndriz View Post
    Honestly thought we were on for a hiding tonight after last weeks lifeless effort against Arsenal. The Brendan Rodgers capitulation must be well and truly underway


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    2-4 hopefully the final score

    Update well done you Magpies
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    BTW City were the last team to win the top flight , plus a European trophy, plus the FA Cup with an all English team .
    Plastic club
    What are the years for these Goat? Good pub quiz question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Genuine question
    Is there still a financial fair play thing in Europe?
    Yes but I think they are looking at scraping it.
    It never really worked anyway. Just look at PSG amongst others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Genuine question
    Is there still a financial fair play thing in Europe?
    Define financial fair play .
    Without resorting to , you know, lazy narrative etc .
    Is it better to have substantial investment into a football club without being overloaded with debt , or is it preferable to raise money against the future value of the club, plunging it into debt, invoking huge overloaded repayments whilst taking dividends ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sickie View Post
    Yes but I think they are looking at scraping it.
    It never really worked anyway. Just look at PSG amongst others.

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    Good idea
    Needed teeth though and instead of financial penalties should have been points deductions and exclusions.
    I think Real had a transfer ban this last year but not sure if that was from financial fair play breaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bondurant View Post
    What are the years for these Goat? Good pub quiz question.
    1968 for the league . Sickie might recall City winning it at SJP .
    1969 for the FA Cup
    1970 for the UEFA Cup . ( played the same night as the FA Cup replay )

    Pretty sure they are all correct although my years of defending the undefensible might have taken its toll .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    Define financial fair play .
    Without resorting to , you know, lazy narrative etc .
    Is it better to have substantial investment into a football club without being overloaded with debt , or is it preferable to raise money against the future value of the club, plunging it into debt, invoking huge overloaded repayments whilst taking dividends ?
    I will define it as living within your means as a business as opposed to outside investment only.
    The fact that the clubs tried to circumvent it by overinflated sponsorship deals etc basically showed the types that were in charge.
    You can equate it to the Qatari world cup-rotten to the core

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    I will define it as living within your means as a business as opposed to outside investment only.
    The fact that the clubs tried to circumvent it by overinflated sponsorship deals etc basically showed the types that were in charge.
    You can equate it to the Qatari world cup-rotten to the core
    OK
    So trying to circumvent the process designed to keep certain historical clubs at the top of the tree no matter what is a bad thing ?
    Imagine Apple and Google trying to break into the mobile phone market but Nokia want to preserve their market share because they have “history” . How ridiculous is that ?
    Mike Ashley has alluded to the closed shop more than once .
    Chelsea and City should just be the beginning. It should also include Villa, Everton, Newcastle etc .
    I’d love a playing field when everyone has a chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    1968 for the league . Sickie might recall City winning it at SJP .
    1969 for the FA Cup
    1970 for the UEFA Cup . ( played the same night as the FA Cup replay )

    Pretty sure they are all correct although my years of defending the undefensible might have taken its toll .
    Umm am old but not that old haha. I was 3 at the time lol.

    Either way I honestly don't get why money in football bothers people. It's just part and parcel of the modern game. God knows me and thousands of Geordies would of loved it if the PIF had been given the go ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sickie View Post
    Umm am old but not that old haha. I was 3 at the time lol.

    Either way I honestly don't get why money in football bothers people. It's just part and parcel of the modern game. God knows me and thousands of Geordies would of loved it if the PIF had been given the go ahead.

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    It doesn’t, it only bothers folk whose team aren’t winning at the minute .
    I was a huge supporter of Toon getting the Saudi investment. Why not ? Bring it on .
    Again, Leicester, Everton , Villa etc etc . Allow them to spend the investment and bring in players to challenge ..
    Plus . Sickie, I’ve been to SJP many times and have yet to see us win there . Missed all the good ones .
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    OK
    So trying to circumvent the process designed to keep certain historical clubs at the top of the tree no matter what is a bad thing ?
    Imagine Apple and Google trying to break into the mobile phone market but Nokia want to preserve their market share because they have “history” . How ridiculous is that ?
    Mike Ashley has alluded to the closed shop more than once .
    Chelsea and City should just be the beginning. It should also include Villa, Everton, Newcastle etc .
    I’d love a playing field when everyone has a chance
    Not trying to keep historical clubs where they are but equating your fan base/season ticket holder/sponsorship income with your spending.
    As a youngster my favourite English team was Man Utd(1st memory was 79 FA cup final-Arsenal-Man Utd 3-2 final. proper football) but now it's probably Norwich City due to their refusal to get played by the premiership riches.

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    People are aware of just how wealthy Leicester's owners are, aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSB View Post
    People are aware of just how wealthy Leicester's owners are, aren't they?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Not trying to keep historical clubs where they are but equating your fan base/season ticket holder/sponsorship income with your spending.
    As a youngster my favourite English team was Man Utd(1st memory was 79 FA cup final-Arsenal-Man Utd 3-2 final. proper football) but now it's probably Norwich City due to their refusal to get played by the premiership riches.
    And how do you get a huge fan base ?
    Winning stuff .
    How do you win stuff ?
    Buy good players .
    How do you buy good players ?
    Making money
    How do you make money ?
    Having the best team .
    How do you get the best team ?
    By investment driven by commercial sales worldwide.
    Sounds good, how does that happen ?

    By having a huge fan base

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    And how do you get a huge fan base ?
    Winning stuff .
    How do you win stuff ?
    Buy good players .
    How do you buy good players ?
    Making money
    How do you make money ?
    Having the best team .
    How do you get the best team ?
    By investment driven by commercial sales worldwide.
    Sounds good, how does that happen ?

    By having a huge fan base
    Notts Forrest
    Aston Villa
    Ipswich Town

    All got there through good coaching/management

    The only time I have been interested in the Champions league recently was when Ajax made their run to the semi and blew it against Spurs.
    Proper team developed to compete as opposed to being bought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Notts Forrest
    Aston Villa
    Ipswich Town

    All got there through good coaching/management

    The only time I have been interested in the Champions league recently was when Ajax made their run to the semi and blew it against Spurs.
    Proper team developed to compete as opposed to being bought
    OK
    Forest btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    OK
    Forest btw
    cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Notts Forrest
    Aston Villa
    Ipswich Town

    All got there through good coaching/management

    The only time I have been interested in the Champions league recently was when Ajax made their run to the semi and blew it against Spurs.
    Proper team developed to compete as opposed to being bought
    That would be the same Forest that signed the first million pound player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevvy View Post
    That would be the same Forest that signed the first million pound player.
    You equating Forest to Man City paying 20 odd million for duff right backs?
    I get your point of course but you could say that Forest earned the right to sign Francis by winning the league.

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    You equating Forest to Man City paying 20 odd million for duff right backs?
    I get your point of course but you could say that Forest earned the right to sign Francis by winning the league.
    I also understand and agree with some of the points you make but going back to the good old days is never going to happen in football, whether we like it or not. As goat has said the best way to make football as competitive as possible is to allow people to invest in their clubs. FFP prevent the owners of Villa, Everton, Leicester, Newcastle (assuming Ashley would ever inject the levels of cash Abramovic and Mansour have) from challenging for titles but, i bet, given the opportunity they would. The real damaging points from the ESL were the non competitive nature of the league and the lack of communication etc with the other bodies, the managers and players and then the fans. I completely understand United and Arsenal fans for their unhappiness because the owners are treating the club like a cash cow.

    City haven't got one signing in the top 20 European transfers yet we are the bad boys. They want to compete at the highest level and to do that requires investing in players that are capable of achieving that. We've made very few mistakes in the transfer market (Mangala springs to mind) but haven't gone all in on big name signings just for the sake of it, e.g. Pogba, Maguire, Alexi Sanchez. We've got strength in depth largely because we have bought well.

    The single biggest problem in football is that many of the executive positions at FIFA and UEFA are filled with people either still connected to or having been connected to legacy elite teams who believe their previous history entitles them to protect their elite position and they want a bigger slice of the money pie. People lauded PSG for not entering the ESL but their owner sits on UEFA's executive committee, owns BEIN network which has exclusive broadcast rights with UEFA and is hosting the World Cup next year. Their decision not to take part had nothing to do with footballing values. Take a look at the other EXCO members and you'll see they are from Liverpool, United, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    Dear Leicester, you bunch of massive bottle merchants .
    Fix it , quick .
    Yours .
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    Relax!!!

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    Something is wrong. Newcastle are currently 4 nil up away to Leicester with 15 minutes to play. It just seems surreal.

    Finger's crossed for the next 15 minutes.

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    THE worst performance I’ve seen from this side…. All went South…. Two lovely finishes for our goals though…!

    Newcastle were good…

    C’mon sh@t Citeh
    C’mon Everton

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    another great year supporting spurs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyzzj View Post
    another great year supporting spurs...
    Next seasons Spuds song “ another rainy night in Georgia”
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    Question re the CL since the winner this season will be an English side who will automatically qualify for next season will there be a top five in the EPL?
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    Doesn't anyone want to qualify for the CL, they seem to be taking turns at losing, it will be Chelsea next followed by Liverpool later. Everton have been playing with flip flops on for weeks now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mart broad View Post
    Question re the CL since the winner this season will be an English side who will automatically qualify for next season will there be a top five in the EPL?
    I could be wrong but if Chelsea win the CL and finish outside the top 4 then there could be 5

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    Looking forward to Man City reserves v Chelsea reserves later on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
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    Relax!!!



    THE worst performance I’ve seen from this side…. All went South…. Two lovely finishes for our goals though…!

    Newcastle were good…

    C’mon sh@t Citeh
    C’mon Everton
    Please let them play like this in the FA Cup final
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    Looking forward to Man City reserves v Chelsea reserves later on
    And so it proved . No idea where this game will go now .

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    Quote Originally Posted by awright101 View Post
    I could be wrong but if Chelsea win the CL and finish outside the top 4 then there could be 5
    No if that happens 4th place will go into the Europa League

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    No if that happens 4th place will go into the Europa League

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    That's right. Didn't they say the other night if Arsenal had won the EL (said before the game) the team finishing 4th wouldn't qualify for the CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    And so it proved . No idea where this game will go now .
    Quite honestly a boring game so far and that pen
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    No if that happens 4th place will go into the Europa League

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    Not a worry for you or me unfortunately, Ryan (I fancied us today,too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mart broad View Post
    Quite honestly a boring game so far and that pen

    Update OMG what a result totally unexpected but totally welcomed so if i may say so come on you irons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Prescient



    Relax!!!



    THE worst performance I’ve seen from this side…. All went South…. Two lovely finishes for our goals though…!

    Newcastle were good…

    C’mon sh@t Citeh
    C’mon Everton
    Lived up to the epithet there Ben . Sorry .
    Chelsea deserved it in the end but how that challenge by Zouma on Sterling was deemed not to be a penalty ?
    It’ll be ironic if my favourite second team win us the title on Thursday by beating United .

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    Lived up to the epithet there Ben . Sorry .
    Chelsea deserved it in the end but how that challenge by Zouma on Sterling was deemed not to be a penalty ?
    It’ll be ironic if my favourite second team win us the title on Thursday by beating United .
    I thought it was a penalty tbh, however I also thought Sterling should have been given a straight red for the challenge on Werner. So I guess it all evens out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvic View Post
    I thought it was a penalty tbh, however I also thought Sterling should have been given a straight red for the challenge on Werner. So I guess it all evens out.
    I thought the same on first viewing.
    My only defence for him was he seemed to be turning away . There was certainly no malice but I could understand the red if it was given .

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    Liverpool mugged Southampton there. Southampton the better team but poor finishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    Lived up to the epithet there Ben . Sorry .
    Chelsea deserved it in the end but how that challenge by Zouma on Sterling was deemed not to be a penalty ?
    It’ll be ironic if my favourite second team win us the title on Thursday by beating United .
    Well Chelsea once did me a favour, but, as I steadfastly refused to enjoy anything about our 15/16 season after we beat Liverpool as I was too ‘overwhelmed’ by it all…. It’s about time we returned a favour for someone!

    I got tickets for me an my lad for Wemberleeeeee on Saturday (just enough away priority points)…. Free to a good home to anyone who happens to be called Wolf! and is devastatingly handsome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Well Chelsea once did me a favour, but, as I steadfastly refused to enjoy anything about our 15/16 season after we beat Liverpool as I was too ‘overwhelmed’ by it all…. It’s about time we returned a favour for someone!

    I got tickets for me an my lad for Wemberleeeeee on Saturday (just enough away priority points)…. Free to a good home to anyone who happens to be called Wolf! and is devastatingly handsome
    Also got tkts for the Final, albeit in the other end as they were offered first to away season ticket holders. Also I will get tkts for the home league match against you a few days after thanks to overall loyalty points from 19/20 season. Two tough games but looking forward to being back in a ground again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSB View Post
    Also got tkts for the Final, albeit in the other end as they were offered first to away season ticket holders. Also I will get tkts for the home league match against you a few days after thanks to overall loyalty points from 19/20 season. Two tough games but looking forward to being back in a ground again.
    I moved near the South Coast 18 months ago and no longer go up for midweek cup or European games so miss out on extra loyalty points for both finals and the Leicester home game. First time missing out on a final since the 1998 European Super Cup! It feels very odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvic View Post
    I moved near the South Coast 18 months ago and no longer go up for midweek cup or European games so miss out on extra loyalty points for both finals and the Leicester home game. First time missing out on a final since the 1998 European Super Cup! It feels very odd.
    I know the feeling. Missed out on the Europa Final a couple of years ago when prices were stupid to get to Baku so ended up watching with mates in Sw6. Easily consoled by the result and the fact it was only a Europa Final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSB View Post
    I know the feeling. Missed out on the Europa Final a couple of years ago when prices were stupid to get to Baku so ended up watching with mates in Sw6. Easily consoled by the result and the fact it was only a Europa Final.
    Mate of mine went to Baku via a very convoluted route. Planes, trains & automobiles plus a bus or two. Took him 6 days to get there and 5 to get back. He did take in a Besiktas home game on the way out if I remember correctly.

    I couldn’t justify the “wasted” holidays to the finance director at home, so went to the pub instead

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    For Moscow 2008, due to the visa issue I had to pick up my ticket in person and I was in Ras shukier egypt so I had to get to Cairo then fly to Manchester, pickup the ticket, then fly to Moscow for the game, fly back to Manchester, then get a train up to Aberdeen, all within 24 hrs. Good result though!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewitt13 View Post
    For Moscow 2008, due to the visa issue I had to pick up my ticket in person and I was in Ras shukier egypt so I had to get to Cairo then fly to Manchester, pickup the ticket, then fly to Moscow for the game, fly back to Manchester, then get a train up to Aberdeen, all within 24 hrs. Good result though!!!

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    We're forever bursting bubbles...

    Good result for the mighty Blues, but how that West Ham post effort stayed out is beyond me.

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    Very disappointing result for the Hammers, need to win all final 3 games now

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSB View Post
    Also got tkts for the Final, albeit in the other end as they were offered first to away season ticket holders. Also I will get tkts for the home league match against you a few days after thanks to overall loyalty points from 19/20 season. Two tough games but looking forward to being back in a ground again.
    I’ll let you buy me a pre-match beer to drown my sorrows before the inevitable humping!

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    Very disappointing result for the Hammers, need to win all final 3 games now
    Think that’s you done now…. You’ve been fantastic of late and played some great footy

    And sod Man Utd fans…. A weakened side v Liverpool on Thursday is now completely inevitable

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