Reply With QuoteOh so you're the little tinker playing silly buggers.
https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...Humped-on-eBay!
Just finished a dispute (successfully) with an eBay seller about a Panerai Trieste Kevlar strap.
I have to say that the way that eBay handled the issue was exemplary.
And I am not talking about the fact that they sorted in my favour but about how quick they responsed and how interested they were for details.
Anyway,long story short, I ordered the strap from an eBay seller (private and located in the UK) ,the strap was advertised as brand new and the pictures looked like it was like that but surprise....when I received it it was completly rotten and unusable.
I cannot trust a £10 Casio to that let alone the PAM 00194 that was meant for.
When I sent that back to UK the seller stated that I replaced his with an damaged one...
That was actually the thing that triggered my pride (being called a liar and a thief ....not really these words being used but this is what I really felt) and made me send to eBay all the pics before and after....
I put some here for you to judge/comment....
P.S.: it was not a cheap strap but a £250 one.
So....pics:....first 6 are the pics from the eBay with some hints of not being new and the rest are pics made by me upon receiving it
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Oh so you're the little tinker playing silly buggers.
https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...Humped-on-eBay!
This will be interesting
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Oh yes in deed.Sent from my SM-N960F using TZ-UK mobile appOriginally Posted by McBeardy
Just sit back and watch.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
It's been ages since we had a good ding dong
Just in case it gets deleted.........
Just finished a dispute (successfully) with an eBay seller about a Panerai Trieste Kevlar strap.
I have to say that the way that eBay handled the issue was exemplary.
And I am not talking about the fact that they sorted in my favour but about how quick they responsed and how interested they were for details.
Anyway,long story short, I ordered the strap from an eBay seller (private and located in the UK) ,the strap was advertised as brand new and the pictures looked like it was like that but surprise....when I received it it was completly rotten and unusable.
I cannot trust a £10 Casio to that let alone the PAM 00194 that was meant for.
When I sent that back to UK the seller stated that I replaced his with an damaged one...
That was actually the thing that triggered my pride (being called a liar and a thief ....not really these words being used but this is what I really felt) and made me send to eBay all the pics before and after....
I put some here for you to judge/comment....
P.S.: it was not a cheap strap but a £250 one.
So....pics:....first 6 are the pics from the eBay with some hints of not being new and the rest are pics made by me upon receiving it
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When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Haha, very good. Practically new versus worn out crapper. Righto!
Ebay lives up to its reputation...
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Can you explain why you unscrewed the strap from the clasp, or at least tried to, as evidenced by the damaged screw heads?
Yeap, somebody is telling porkies..
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Yes, this one:
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Oh my...
How many men will be lost in Strapgate 2?
Hello all
Yes I am here and I am totaly wright
Just to answer the only valid question here here's the answer:
I did indeed remove his buckle long before realising that his strap is completly rotten because I was trying to fit it to one of my home made straps made that I believed it will match.
It didn't mine being too thin for that kind of strap.
Please keep in mind that at that time I considered the strap as being a keeper so ....up for trials.
This is the ONLY thing that I did and ......after realising that his strap is unusable I did offer to keep the buckle and send back just the strap and sort out a deal.....No answer on that ....
I've just seen the other topic on this subject....
Ohhhh how I wish I had seen that thread before.....
I am more than sorry to see that all of you rallied against the buyer without knowing both sides of the story.
So....John: are you still sustaining your position stating that I did replaced your "brand new strap" with an old and damaged one after you received the strap and you can clearly compare it with your pics?
Why is it so difficult to admit ?
I never said that you send that knowing that it's no good being rotten.
I only said that when I tried to mount it on my watch all the glue fall apart.....
Did John also mentioned that I negociated the price with him for that?
Is any fraudster interested in negotiations....???
I really cannot believe my eyes reading the other thread....
I do have a lot of other pics that I can post here if anyone is interested
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You shouldn't have to be asked Marius.
With the difference in the condition of the straps, I do find it difficult to believe that you only realised after you took the buckle off.
Cheers..
Jase
Few things:
- Now you admit to removing the buckle. Well, get a better screwdriver for next time as you've chewed that one.
- Funny the buckle picture you provided didn't show screw damage, or did you 'try another strap' after deciding to try for a refund? If so, naughty boy!
- I just checked, eBay listing says 'used'.
- Enjoy your strap.
I'll just have to chalk it up to experience. 16 years, 300+ pos feedback, never a return, never a negative feedback.
Sold and bought a fair bit on here, never an issue.
I'm 'out' as I'm not throwing meat to any feeding frenzy.
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When I took the buckle off I didn't realised because the issue is with the tips that go on the lugs not on the buckle.
When I tried to mount the watch I realised that is so fragile there....it only took a little finger nail under the end of that tip and all became unglued....
I admit that it looks great....this is what I paid that amount for that strap.....but I swear that all it was good about it was the look.
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I would question why you started a dispute, sending pics of a damage strap, where the screw heads are undamaged, with the strap holding screw in positioned vertically.
Listing
Your photo of “damaged” strap
And only after starting a dispute, proceeded to remove and damage the screw heads on the clasp,
if it wasnt fit purpose you should have packaged it up straight away rather than messing around taking it apart.
I can do even better if John will play along.
I challenge him to post a high definition pic of his strap(the one that he said he kept before the sale) and I will do an exact one with my actual strap that came with the watch(in an infinite better shape than his )
Shall we John?
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I already answered that....I would question why you started a dispute, sending pics of a damage strap, where the screw heads are undamaged, with the strap holding screw in positioned vertically.
Listing
Your photo of “damaged” strap
And only after starting a dispute, proceeded to remove and damage the screw heads on the clasp,
if it wasnt fit purpose you should have packaged it up straight away rather than messing around taking it apart.
I bought his buckle as a back-up for mine.
Since it looks great of course that treated it like mine...
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Wheres the eBay photo of this bod boy I’m sure all will be revealed if that turns up
There you go:Wheres the eBay photo of this bod boy I’m sure all will be revealed if that turns up
The sellers pics:
But I am sure that the seller can share better quality ones to debate on
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No you didn’t
You started the dispute, sent pics where the screw heads are aligned the same as the listing, no marking to the clasp and the heads are not chewed.
The strap that was sent back had damaged screws aligned differently.
Meaning you started the dispute, and then took the strap apart, when you should have repackaged it straight away.
Its a genuine question, why did you not leave the strap as is, rather than messing around with it after starting a dispute?
Last edited by endo; 13th August 2020 at 19:41.
Jeezo, do you always remove screws blindfolded with a hammer and chisel or just stuff that you're sending back for a refund??
Sellers pics do not show that unholy mess that you've claimed to have "picked"
Its very clear from the other thread and in particular the difference in texture wear and stitching that its a different strap.
Not to mention hashing the clasp after opening a claim.
If the goods were going back there's no need to tamper with them, unless you were switching.
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A basic question. Why bother over such a cheap item? Who had what to gain?
I will repeat
I did indeed take the buckle out trying to use on another strap and even offering to buy that from him.
I do not keep a chronological order in my pics and that pic that you're reffering to might be taken prior to that.
I do not even have that exact photo saved so please post it here
I am sorry if that screw is damaged and I can always replace that .....
It is not about this guys.
The strap was NOT replaced....stop playing forensic without having all the data.
Please convince John to play along and you will be able to decide
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Are you claiming that this, on the first keeper …
Was actually this … ?
That's a big difference. It looks like it's been filed down or picked at in between the images being taken.
In my case is all about honour now!
It happens to like this forum a lot,I've learned a lot and I am thankfull for that and I do NOT want anyone here to be mislead about myself or my good intentions
I am not that kind of guy.
My only fault is that I am not British......
I was insulted in numerous ways myself and my country by someone who knows the truth
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It is exactly thatAre you claiming that this, on the first keeper …
Was actually this … ?
That's a big difference. It looks like it's been filed down or picked at in between the images being taken.
It only took a little pressure to open it like that.
Come on.....be honest...will you wear your beloved watch on a strap that you don't trust that it will hold it....especially when diving?
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Poor people 😛
I'm talking about the keeper that the strap passes through, not the lug hole – Christ knows what happened there.
The thing that will bring the light on this subject is soooo simple:
Let's compare pictures and straps.
His against mine ....and you will all know who's lying now.
Because even if at the beginning I thought that it's a possibility that John didn't actually know that the strap is rotten now I realised that he did and it's a matter of lying to keep up with the previous lies.
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The strap is not easy to get hold of.
Maybe you 2 should keep this private as their are going to be no winners here.
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OK, thank you C.
Part. Please rearrange.
I am sorry to disagree but this HAS to be sorted out.
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It is very important for me that you guys know the truth.
I really started this hoping that the seller is a member here.
I am so sorry that I didn't see the other topic on time....that would give me a chance to explain on real time
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Evidently, neither are. So please explain.
Although in many ways I agree, I think getting fraud out into the open makes this community safer.
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Marius, what's your ebay username?
Totally agree.
This is why I started this thread and this is why I insist that Jack should go to the Action Fraud on eBay also.
And keep reporting back...
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It is marmur-6221 something that eBay made up combining my name and surname and some random numbers ...I suppose :)
I only have this to buy not to sell.
I have only positive feedback if anyone is interested
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Last edited by marius; 13th August 2020 at 20:49.
marius, you are an absolute pikey.
Disappointed to learn this was one of our own.
Yeah, but which one!
This sounds like a very offending thing to say !
I might be wrong and maybe you wanted to say something else....
Would you care to explain please?
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