Reply With QuoteI'm certainly no expert but the bezel insert and the dial don't look right to me, the hands look a bit dodgy as well.
I have the option of buying this Pogue
Having transversed this particular minefield a number of times I would be grateful for any opinions
Thanks folks!
Ian
I'm certainly no expert but the bezel insert and the dial don't look right to me, the hands look a bit dodgy as well.
Last edited by estoban7; 7th August 2020 at 16:20.
Yes, wasn't too sure about the bezel.
Can you expand on the dial please?
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Me neither, far far from it. But yes, the bezel insert looks unmarked, unlikey given its age, the hands look too new, and the small printing on the dial looks a little 'bloated' for want of a better term.Originally Posted by estoban7
Bracelet also looks new aftermarket.
But if the price is right?
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There are some alignment issues, the bezel, inner bezel and dial don’t line up well. The dial looks very fresh indeed.
Cheers..
Jase
If you don't mind after market then you will be ok as that has a lot of after market/fake parts on it, hands, dial, bezel for starters.
Its cheap so I'm not going to get too excited about fake parts!
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This might help: https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/h...-guide.140803/
The bezel, as has been said, looks too "new", as do the hour and minute hands, while the small subdial hand and dial colours look wrong - the dial should be more yellow, as opposed to bronze, and the small subdial hand should be a brighter red. The inner bezel might be original, but it's doubtful whether the outer bezel, dial or main hands are.
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With the greatest of respect, if you're not really bothered about the bits being genuine or not, and the price is to your liking isn't anything else superfluous?
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Sounds fine to me then, I'm of the same opinion. As long as you know what you are getting and are happy with the price go for it.
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So price over authenticity ? if very cheap you will be fine then.
Apologies for any irritation
Just wanted some views on how it looked generally and the bits fitted - which have been helpful
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No please - sorry that wasn't my intention, to a novice like me it looks okay, if you're happy with it and the price then alls good.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
I read somewhere that you can spot a fake Pogue dial by the shiny lume plots. The one in your pic looks to have quite glossy lume instead of a dull powdery texture.
The overall sheen and colour of the dial also looks wrong. I read that they sometimes dip the dial in a oil based solution that gives it a shiny appearance.
Hey - no worries, was just concerned that I was irritating folk!
In addition to what has already been mentioned the crown is probably after market too as it has no dimple in the middle
Seems to me that unless you are very lucky indeed then a 100% genuine example is going to be 800GBP +
This one is a fraction on that of course and as I fancy the Pogue look for a while then for what I am happy to pay then I will need to put up with a franken / repro parts special. I didnt for one moment think that it was an all original piece. In hindsight I should have been clearer on this in my first post. Sorry folks!
Anyways - I have decided to go for this. If the movement is OK I may improve the dial and bezel as well as getting everything aligned. I quite fancy fitting a resist dial to get it as close in appearance as possible to Colonel Pogues. Just for my own amusement of course - not to con anyone on eBay etc! If the case back is original then this a '77 model so would not have had a resist dial.
Im not bothered about the bracelet as it will be worn on Perlon.
Not sure if it’s Specifically a yellow dial you are after but I saw this the other day and thought it looked legit.
https://www.thosewatchguys.com/watch...l3wqd1laz4f4qg
Thanks for that
Only a yellow dial will do though!
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Yeah the great thing about a pogue is the honey gold dial the rest while they may be original just dont cut it for me.
I am definitely with Velorum on this. It is the sheer garishness of it that is the main attraction - "the watch that taste forgot"!.
Unless you venture into the high-octane world of the mega-rich Hublot et al, you want garish - you say Pogue.
Blue and/or black dials are way too tasteful.
The silver might just hack it though.
The colonel is break dancing!
Well if you are going to orbit the planet at 17000mph then why wear a boring watch?
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Exactly, this is what a watch that goes into space should look like. Not like that dulard the spacemaster or whatever it's called.
It arrived and it seems to be working fine. I have sourced a reasonable quality 'proof' dial and am going to have this fitted - also waiting to hear back from a forum member who has a genuine replacement bezel and insert. Will post some pictures when I get everything togther.
In the meantime, anyone care to venture an opinion on this one?
What ever the make up (all original is best, obvi) these watches are a total eyeful.
I must get one myself.
Been saying that for years
Enjoy wearing the new addition.
That looks pretty good to me. Add the bezel insert and dial I think you will have a very nice Pogue.
If it all works correctly and the price was right, I'd be perfectly happy with it. Looks great!
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Also - I have been given first refusal on this resist model said to have been imported from Japan about a year ago
Any views?
H/M hands don't look correct and the bezel/insert is also wrong for a resist.
Can you expand on that - especially the hands?
Hands are just wrong imo and the insert should not have the small square at the 12 position, that dident come until a lot later (76 +)
Thanks
Hands wrong shape? Length? Finish?
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Interesting stuff. We could do with someone posting a picture of one that is completely right, so us slow kids at the back can keep up
Just totally wrong (imo).
Yes, a pictorial guide with pointers as regards originality would be great. There are some guides that pop up via Google searches but it can turn into a mish mash of confusing info.
There are a couple of things I recall from a discussion with Duncan when I visited his workshop relatinh to the second markers at the 6 o'clock position needing to be slightly shorter and the crown having a dimple. Can't remember anything specific about hands.
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Seconded.
There must be images of the Seiko promo material or sales catalogue listings from the time on line. I remember seeing something similar on the Alpinist models from the early 90s. A good clear image from the time would be a great starting point.
I'm no expert I just like them :)
Check this link if your after some information.
https://www.thewatchsite.com/15-vint...ns-review.html
Good link Tiger
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Fake dial, fake hands, fake insert, fake inner bezel. Who knows what else is to be found on closer inspection...In the meantime, anyone care to venture an opinion on this one?
As above, all the 'value' parts are fake. The case and movement are genuine Seiko but not much else. The hands are too slim and soft around the edges, the insert has the later (from around 76 I think?) silver marker under 60 and a pre 73 Resist dial. The dial is from Seikosis and is the closest copy yet, but the letters on Water Resist have too much of a gap between them, the sub dial printing is off centre and the Japan 6139 between 7 and 8 has the wrong spacing. The inner bezel is another Seikosis product with the heavy black outline around the lume at 12.Also - I have been given first refusal on this resist model said to have been imported from Japan about a year ago
Any views?
This Seikosis chap has moved the game on over the last few years compared to what was available before, which in turn has seen some mongrels fetch stupid money on Ebay. If something looks too clean and you're not 100% clued up on these then chances are it's filled with fake - a quick Ebay for 6139-6002 currently brings up seven moody ones before you get to the first genuine example.
Be careful out there kids...
Last edited by Dynam0humm; 12th August 2020 at 01:57.
This is the level of detail that is really useful - thanks!
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If you fancy a little colour in a strap for this Ian then Haveston have just released a new model which might suit. Their pictures on the site are usually a tad darker than in life.
https://www.haveston.com/service-ser...&id_currency=3
F.T.F.A.
Cool strap!
A good way to liven up a Pogue; the only drawback to them is the bland appearance. A splash of colour would go down well.
What's the difference between 'fake' and 'aftermarket'? Just how it is advertised? I don't have a problem with replacement non-original parts if it is clear that is what they are, and they are reflected in the price.
Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH
For me, things like bezel inserts and hands that don't don't display any kind of brand or logo are after market. Something like a dial that says Seiko and isn't made by Seiko is a fake.
Presumably it is not beyond the wit of man to get hold of a 6139-**** and turn it into a Poguealike?
If you consider a 6139-600X bland you must think the likes of a Rolly Sub is downright boring ?
I was employing irony.
I refer to mine as "the watch that taste forgot".
Still love it though.
Sounds reasonable
Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH
That would look good Bob
Sounds reasonable
I agree in principal - however, what do you do if you need to replace a dial? Seiko no longer make spares and cheap all original non runners that can be canibilised for parts are becoming scarce......
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