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    MOD FOI Request - what watches are officially supplied? No CWC?

    So, I bought myself a CWC SBS Diver which arrived today. Lovely piece of kit... VERY happy with it. Not much going on tonight, so decided to search for CWC SBS reviews and read up a little about their history, as a watch issued to SBS and "certain units"

    Cabot Watch Company have supplied this watch to the SBS since 1987 and is currently issue to certain units.
    Ref: https://www.cwcwatch.com/collections...e-divers-watch

    I then stumbled on this... a Freedom of Information request to the MOD made this May by a Youtuber - asking, do CWC supply the MOD any watches. The answer?... No. Casio G-Shocks only! Hmmmm.... what's going on here then?

    FOI Request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...watches_issues

    To save you clicking and downloading the answer, here's the text:

    Dear Ministry of Defence,
    I am a youtube content creator with a focus on Watches. I would be very interested to know for a future upload what the current watches are that are issued to the Royal Navy, in particular, if these are made my CWC the Cabot Watch Company (silvermans). If possible can you provide the number issued (volume) and if permitted the approximate cost of each watch. I'm compiling research for an upcoming video focusing on that particular brand. For reference, I think the MOD issue CWC SBS DIVER ISSUE (QS120-DD) watches to Navy divers.
    Yours faithfully,
    The Casual Watch Reviewer (youtube)
    And the response:

    DE&S Policy Secretariat



    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxx.xx

    Defence Equipment & Support
    Maple 0a #2043
    MOD Abbey Wood
    Bristol BS34 8JH
    Mr S Speake
    28 May 2020
    E Mail:
    Our Reference: FOI2020/05507
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx




    Dear Mr Speake

    Request for Information under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) 2000

    Thank you for your email of 12 May 2020, in which you requested the following information
    about a specific company that currently supplies watches to the Royal Navy:


    I am a Youtube content creator with a focus on Watches. I would be very interested to

    know for a future upload what the current watches are that are issued to the Royal

    Navy, in particular, if these are made my CWC the Cabot Watch Company (silvermans).

    If possible can you provide the number issued (volume) and if permitted the

    approximate cost of each watch. I'm compiling research for an upcoming video focusing

    on that particular brand. For reference, I think the MOD issue CWC SBS DIVER ISSUE

    (QS120-DD) watches to Navy divers.
    I am treating your correspondence as a request for information under the Freedom of
    Information Act 2000 (FOIA).

    A search for the information has now been completed within the Ministry of Defence, and I can
    confirm that the current watch issued to Royal Navy Divers is the Casio model GAW-100B-
    1AER, with 135 watches issued.

    Under Section 16 of the Act (Advice and Assistance), I can advise that previous watches
    issued were the Casio, model GR-8900-1ER, with 508 issued before being replaced by the
    GAW model. Prior to this the Citizen BN0000-04H was issued. All of the issued watches were
    priced in the region of £80 - £200.


    If you have any queries regarding the content of this letter, please contact this office in the first
    instance.

    If you wish to complain about the handling of your request, or the content of this response, you
    can request an independent internal review by contacting the Information Rights Compliance
    team, Ground Floor, MOD Main Building, Whitehall, SW1A 2HB (e-mail CIO-FOI-
    xx@xxx.xxx.xx). Please note that any request for an internal review should be made within
    40 working days of theYou are aware that we have been treating your correspondence as a
    request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

    Defence Equipment & Support
    Yours sincerely


    DE&S Secretariat
    Defence Equipment & Support

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    Craftsman canuck's Avatar
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    Hahahaha. This is brilliant! Thanks for posting

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    The YouTuber didnít ask whether CWC supply MOD, he only asked about the RN and was only answered wrt divers.

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    I get FOI requests relatively frequently and have never seen one where the question is so badly worded, to the point it becomes vague.

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    Apparently the Casio GR 8900 1ER was a 2014 model. So thatís the last six years covered.

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    Have the Walter Mittys been buying the wrong watch?

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    The key words in their response: "the current watch issued to Royal Navy Divers is...."

    Thats not the SBS is it?

    CWC have posted many times on Instagaram about supplying various MOD users. For example: https://www.instagram.com/p/BVXTVdcl...=1j0718afwxfqj

    "MOD order dispatched today"

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    The results of the FOI requests pop up on MWR from time to time.

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...0624/10030.pdf

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...OD_watches.pdf

    Always strikes me as a fairly pointless waste of time, effort and public money.

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