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    Hodinkee review of the 14270

    Is it just me , but I read a comprehensive review like this and I end up wanting an Explorer more now than ever! Ive missed out on two already this year.

    https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ro...u-need-to-know

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    These are going to shoot up now. I reckon 6-7k by 2022.

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    Very interesting and agree with the earlier post on prices moving up now.

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    That was a really good read and likewise reignited my desire for the Ďhumbleí Explorer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammers23 View Post
    These are going to shoot up now. I reckon 6-7k by 2022.
    Hodinkee effect in full flow!

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    Did you see last night's Bark and Jack about all the Explorer 1s disappearing from the market?
    And now, for something completely the same.

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    I've had a WTB up on here for one for an age now, and not a sniff. If anyone has one to move on then pls let me know, I'll pay the right price for the right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    I've had a WTB up on here for one for an age now, and not a sniff. If anyone has one to move on then pls let me know, I'll pay the right price for the right one.
    Loads of them on TRF

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Loads of them on TRF
    FFS, now you tell me

    Thanks Tony

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    There is still the same amount in existence, it's just that people are slowly latching on that it rarely makes sense to sell a Rolex. They are now becoming keepers.

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    I don't understand why the fuss over the 14270 when for more or less the same money a 114270 gives you the same look but with a better bracelet and a better movement.

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    36mm Explorer still in production and in the trendiest colour blue. Wasnít the first watch worn on Everest actually an Oyster Perp (or smiths) anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    I don't understand why the fuss over the 14270 when for more or less the same money a 114270 gives you the same look but with a better bracelet and a better movement.
    I guess it because its a sports model, starting to fall into the vintage category and is one of the only model available under £5000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac11111 View Post
    36mm Explorer still in production and in the trendiest colour blue. Wasnít the first watch worn on Everest actually an Oyster Perp (or smiths) anyway.

    It does not feel nothing like an sports model on the wrist it felt to me way more dress watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    I don't understand why the fuss over the 14270 when for more or less the same money a 114270 gives you the same look but with a better bracelet and a better movement.
    Agreed, the 114270 is a better choice if you want a modern 36mm Explorer. Also in production for a shorter time for people who care about such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac11111 View Post
    36mm Explorer still in production and in the trendiest colour blue. Wasnít the first watch worn on Everest actually an Oyster Perp (or smiths) anyway.

    Sigh, IF only they did it in 39mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    I don't understand why the fuss over the 14270 when for more or less the same money a 114270 gives you the same look but with a better bracelet and a better movement.
    The 114720 is by far the better watch. However, that's not what drives the vintage market, and the 14720 is probably a future vintage classic (albeit not there yet, save perhaps for the older ones).

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    Quote Originally Posted by boring_sandwich View Post
    I guess it because its a sports model, starting to fall into the vintage category and is one of the only model available under £5000.

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    It does not feel nothing like an sports model on the wrist it felt to me way more dress watch.
    Felt sporty enough to me, I wore my purple grape 36 skiing

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    Well, it seems Hodinkee is suddenly deemed reliable and trustworthy again. It’s just another bit of boosterism by a bunch of greedy cynics. Anything to lure people into paying higher prices.
    Next week it will be something else.
    Or you could cash-in on a travel clock.
    Last edited by paskinner; 2nd August 2020 at 10:11.

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    Surprised HODINKEE havenít sprinkled the vintage magic dust on the Seadweller 16600.

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    Problem with these is the price keeps moving faster than my savings pot! I think itís the best model out of all the explorer 1s that have been produced. The 36mm is the perfect size for such a simple design. Loved the review

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    Did anyone watch the Bark and Jack video on the lack of Explorer 1 in the market? He mentions that in the 90ís the Explorer 1 was a really popular model? Was that ever the case? I know the Daytona was hard to get but I didnít know if the Explorer 1 was the next sought after model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zodiac View Post
    Did anyone watch the Bark and Jack video on the lack of Explorer 1 in the market? He mentions that in the 90ís the Explorer 1 was a really popular model? Was that ever the case? I know the Daytona was hard to get but I didnít know if the Explorer 1 was the next sought after model?
    Toning it down was the flavour after the flash city type displays of the Big Bang eighties. People wanted wealth but didn't want to boast about it. Therefore an Explorer was the ideal mode back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammers23 View Post
    These are going to shoot up now. I reckon 6-7k by 2022.
    Good price when it's not even have alarm and desktop stand. 🤣🤣🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    The 114720 is by far the better watch. However, that's not what drives the vintage market, and the 14720 is probably a future vintage classic (albeit not there yet, save perhaps for the older ones).
    Yes the double 1's have cal 3130 and SEL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paskinner View Post
    Well, it seems Hodinkee is suddenly deemed reliable and trustworthy again. It’s just another bit of boosterism by a bunch of greedy cynics. Anything to lure people into paying higher prices.
    Next week it will be something else.
    Or you could cash-in on a travel clock.
    Agree, they sell a junk clock for $5,900, this is certainly not beyond hoodwinkee. Hoover it up with dealer friends then release an ode to the watch article, easy money.

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    The Bark & Jack video was interesting. I would agree prices will move up, partly the Hodinkee effect, and partly (artificially?) constrained supply. I like the 36mm Explorer, but not at the level I think asking prices will become.

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    How long before a few turn up in the Hodinkee shop at higher prices? Canít help feel cynical about these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paskinner View Post
    Well, it seems Hodinkee is suddenly deemed reliable and trustworthy again. Itís just another bit of boosterism by a bunch of greedy cynics. Anything to lure people into paying higher prices.
    Next week it will be something else.
    Or you could cash-in on a travel clock.
    A little unfair perhaps, I think their finger is on the pulse here as this model is being reassessed and looks increasingly appealing. 1016s are sky high and the current model is too large for some. So inevitably this model, which may have been written off as the 1016s slightly blingy replacement, is now starting to have an almost vintage appeal. The fact that you canít buy a 36mm Explorer any more only makes it more desirable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boring_sandwich View Post
    It does not feel nothing like an sports model on the wrist it felt to me way more dress watch.
    The sportiest of Rolex watches doesn't feel much like a sports watch anymore with the advent of smart watches.

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    The 112470 is a nice watch and in many ways is probably better than the 14270 but having owned a 112470, it didn't feel to me like a £4k+ watch and so I can't imagine me feeling that the 14270 is a £6-7k watch! I almost never picked it over the Seamaster which was 1/3rd of the price or my Datejust which was also a lot less.

    Don't get the point about "it rarely makes sense to sell a Rolex." I imagine it makes a lot of sense if you want to buy a larger house, extend your house, invest in your business or all manner of other things!

    I've sold 2 Rolex and don't regret selling either of them when I did, indeed one of them I doubt I could sell for as much now as I did when I sold it.

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    I had a 114270. It was my first Rolex. I found it underwhelming so sold it and bought a 14060

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    Bark & Jack channel just released a video on exactly this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Senninha View Post
    Bark & Jack channel just released a video on exactly this

    This! Balls. Stinks of insider trading/knowledge.

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    Hodinkee review of the 14270

    Quote Originally Posted by mhurley View Post
    I had a 114270. It was my first Rolex. I found it underwhelming so sold it and bought a 14060

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    I sold mine too for the same reason! I found the explorer a smart watch but after owning for 6 months quite boring.


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    Smart watches are sensible but dull. Mechanical watches are pure madness but mega cool and interesting. No contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmgg1988 View Post
    The 112470 is a nice watch and in many ways is probably better than the 14270 but having owned a 112470, it didn't feel to me like a £4k+ watch and so I can't imagine me feeling that the 14270 is a £6-7k watch!
    I agree with this.

    I did try a 14270 back to back with a 16570 some years back, and bought the Explorer II as it was just much more interesting to me.

    I like the 36mm Explorer, itís nice enough, but I find the other sports Rolex watches, and even some Datejust models more interesting,

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    Pretty much every Explorer is lovely, a bit dull, understanded yet elegant but not very interesting and that's the point. As part of a collection they're great and serve their purpose but as an only watch I couldn't do it. Fantastic office watch if you have spare cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Pretty much every Explorer is lovely, a bit dull, understanded yet elegant but not very interesting and that's the point. As part of a collection they're great and serve their purpose but as an only watch I couldn't do it. Fantastic office watch if you have spare cash.
    I disagree and think due to there simplicity and understated elegance are a perfect Ďonlyí watch.

    They very much follow the form follows function principle.
    Last edited by boring_sandwich; 2nd August 2020 at 20:26.

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    The Explorer is very understated and simple, which is the appeal to me. It does not have a wow factor. It does not need one in my opinion.

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    The number of these watches in existence around the world has not changed. The appearance or innards of this watch has not changed. The knowledge of its existence has not changed. Anybody who knows anything knew this explorer existed already. So if prices go up now, what exactly has changed?

    It's not original anymore to say that watch appreciation is not what it used to be, but I'm going to say it again anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallang View Post
    The number of these watches in existence around the world has not changed. The appearance or innards of this watch has not changed. The knowledge of its existence has not changed. Anybody who knows anything knew this explorer existed already. So if prices go up now, what exactly has changed?

    It's not original anymore to say that watch appreciation is not what it used to be, but I'm going to say it again anyway.
    The internet ruins everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallang View Post
    The number of these watches in existence around the world has not changed. The appearance or innards of this watch has not changed. The knowledge of its existence has not changed. Anybody who knows anything knew this explorer existed already. So if prices go up now, what exactly has changed?

    It's not original anymore to say that watch appreciation is not what it used to be, but I'm going to say it again anyway.
    A great deal has changed. Itís no longer available, and the current model is a much larger watch thatís fine for some, but others find unwearable. Thereís always a clear distinction between a modern Rolex fresh from the shop, and a vintage model, itís two different markets, two different aesthetics and impressions. With the passing of time a watch that felt like modern model has just started to feel on the cusp of being, if not vintage exactly, then at least nostalgic and perhaps a bit different. You only have to look at the clasp, as with the 16570 Explorer II it belongs to a different era, before the brand started to look for ways to make iconic watches larger. Time changes everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    A great deal has changed. Itís no longer available, and the current model is a much larger watch thatís fine for some, but others find unwearable. Thereís always a clear distinction between a modern Rolex fresh from the shop, and a vintage model, itís two different markets, two different aesthetics and impressions. With the passing of time a watch that felt like modern model has just started to feel on the cusp of being, if not vintage exactly, then at least nostalgic and perhaps a bit different. You only have to look at the clasp, as with the 16570 Explorer II it belongs to a different era, before the brand started to look for ways to make iconic watches larger. Time changes everything.
    I bought my first Rolex, a 39mm Explorer MK1, in 2014. Both the AD and his salesman wore a 36mm Explorer and to be honest they don't look all that different when on the wrist.

    I now think the Explorer MK2 is the technically better watch which has recaptured the original ethos of the Explorer.

    I have been wearing my Explorer since becoming trapped out in Spain in February and it really is the perfect watch that sails below the radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    I bought my first Rolex, a 39mm Explorer MK1, in 2014. Both the AD and his salesman wore a 36mm Explorer and to be honest they don't look all that different when on the wrist.

    I now think the Explorer MK2 is the technically better watch which has recaptured the original ethos of the Explorer.

    I have been wearing my Explorer since becoming trapped out in Spain in February and it really is the perfect watch that sails below the radar.
    They don’t look that different until you see them on a 6.5” wrist, when suddenly one fits and one doesn’t. But discussions of what size is ‘right’ are somewhat pointless, as everyone is different. All you can say is that unlike the Oyster Perpetual and Datejust, there is now only one size of Explorer, and at 39mm they’ve chosen a relatively generous size that’s fine for most people and slightly too large for some people. It is after all the same as the largest size of Oyster Perpetual, so what the older model provides is a choice that’s currently missing. As ever I wish they’d settled on something in between 36mm and 39mm if they were only going to have one size, but then they might have ended up with a watch that’s perfect for me and wrong for most others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac11111 View Post
    36mm Explorer still in production and in the trendiest colour blue. Wasnít the first watch worn on Everest actually an Oyster Perp (or smiths) anyway.
    The OP would be my first choice. I visited WoS on Saturday, they have none in their whole system, supposedly partially due to supply issues from Rolex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Pretty much every Explorer is lovely, a bit dull, understanded yet elegant but not very interesting and that's the point. As part of a collection they're great and serve their purpose but as an only watch I couldn't do it. Fantastic office watch if you have spare cash.
    I tend to agree with this. I had a 114270 a while ago as my only watch worn daily. Loved it at first but as nice as it was it started to feel bland and eventually I decided to sell it. In some ways I really wish I still had it as it would work well as part of my small collection now (although the similarly styled Grand Seiko SBGX061 takes up that space). Looking at current prices, to get a similar replacement 114270 would probably cost me an extra £1k to £2k on top of what mine sold for.

    Regarding sizing, the 39mm doesn't scale up well in my eyes so I'd still go 36mm over 39mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    They donít look that different until you see them on a 6.5Ē wrist, when suddenly one fits and one doesnít. But discussions of what size is Ďrightí are somewhat pointless, as everyone is different. All you can say is that unlike the Oyster Perpetual and Datejust, there is now only one size of Explorer, and at 39mm theyíve chosen a relatively generous size thatís fine for most people and slightly too large for some people. It is after all the same as the largest size of Oyster Perpetual, so what the older model provides is a choice thatís currently missing. As ever I wish theyíd settled on something in between 36mm and 39mm if they were only going to have one size, but then they might have ended up with a watch thatís perfect for me and wrong for most others.
    I have a. 6.75" wrist and the best fitting watch I have is a 1655 Explorer11 at 40mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    I have a. 6.75" wrist and the best fitting watch I have is a 1655 Explorer11 at 40mm.
    That doesn't surprise me, I can happy wear a 16570 Explorer II on a 6.5" wrist while I find the 39mm Explorer looks oversized as it's all dial, and they are much the same size. I could still wear it but not without the nagging feeling that it would look better a mm smaller. On a 6.75" wrist a 1655 should look great.

    But discussions of watch sizes are a bit pointless in the end. One person says they tried a 39mm Explorer and found it too large, another person indignantly replies that they're wearing one right now and it's perfect. What have we learned? Nothing at all, they are probably both right. People come in all shapes and sizes, but the current Explorer doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zodiac View Post
    Did anyone watch the Bark and Jack video on the lack of Explorer 1 in the market? He mentions that in the 90ís the Explorer 1 was a really popular model? Was that ever the case? I know the Daytona was hard to get but I didnít know if the Explorer 1 was the next sought after model?
    It was certainly very popular in Japan for a while... started by a character wearing one in a widely-watched TV show of all things, if I remember correctly.

    The 14270 is a great watch in and of itself; but, when compared to the 114270, only has lug holes in its favour. Even tritium patina (which looks good on 90s Subs etc.) looks a bit cack on these because the white infill on the Ď3, 6, 9í remains white - making for quite an odd look. As such, Iíd rather have the better movement and working lume of the later 36mm watch.

    Would be good to see a 36mm Explorer option again, they could keep making the 39mm one.

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    Thought I'd read these were only 39mm mick...though what's a mm when alls said and done.

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