Reply With QuoteIf the numbers were re+applied, why would the 9 look so faded?
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Hi there
I wonder if I can ask an opionion here please.
I recently sold a small Lemania on Ebay.
This was the main photo for the listing
On my screen here, the photo has slightly improved on Ebay's zoom, the dial being about 2cm more in diameter on the forum than on the Ebay listing.
I described the dial as
"To my eyes the dial and hands look totally original, in a military style, as it has arabic numerals, centre seconds and 1/5th second outer second track, numerated.
The lovely dark outer second track is complete (they often corrode off or are removed by clumsy cleaning), the lumed numerals have gone very dark, as has the lume in the white syringe H and M hands.
The second hand has traces of gilding and possibly red paint, I am not sure. The main thing is that these are the right shape for this watch, they are not later replacements."
The buyer wants to send this back to me because he thinks "the arabic numerals have been re-applied with paint".
I have 2 objections to this
1 - I am sure this is original. That is degraded and aged radium, not paint. The porosity and texture are impossible to fake
2 - The above photo snd decrription are accurate, and this was clear to the buyer before the sale, so if he had doubts, then he should not buy, rather than buy and then ask for a return.
Am I being unreasonable or inaccurate? I would like a sanity check from members here just to be sure.
The way Ebay is, it seems that I am going to have to accept his request anyhow, but I wanted to ask what members think.
Thanks
Dave
ps - I know, I should stick to SC.
If the numbers were re+applied, why would the 9 look so faded?
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Sounds like the buyer has got cold feet and has tried to find a reason to return it that involves saying the watch was misdescribed. If eBay do side with you, the seller may well find other 'issues' further on down the line, just to be able to return it.
I'd accept the return without fuss, as it will create more fuss for you in future if you don't, I fear.
It's why eBay is great as a buyer, but not as a seller.
Your listing is accurate, but I think he was expecting applied indices that had lume infil, rather than lume being used as the indices, it’s odd though, as it’s obviously a specialised vintage watch and the would / should be aware of the nuances.
Cheers..
Jase
this dial looks original to me, the aging across the dial is completely consistent across the whole dial.
sounds like buyers remorse, accept the return and move on as it aint worth the hassle
Well - the same pic is available from the eBay listing at 1500x1197 and the condition of the dial looks very clear from it to me, therefore I can only assume the buyer didn't examine it carefully enough before buying. I'm not usually a fan of distressed dials but that's really nice.
You are being very reasonable on both points.
Those hands look the same - except for the length of course
Actually, the hour hand is thickerOriginally Posted by Wallasey Runner
Those hands look the same - except for the length of course
I think you are stuffed on this one, e-bay always sides with the buyer. Give him his money back and list it on SC.
I know, silly isn't it.
I have told him to send it back to me, for a full refund. Having given him free RMSD to send it to him, I am not about to pay for the same back again, otherwise I would be £20 out of pocket with no fault on my part. He can stump up for the postage back and we'll call it quits
Absolutely spot on, buyers are steadily becoming more faddy and awkward because they know that ebay will always try to please them over the seller.
ebay is aimed at commercial sellers and it is trying to discourage private sellers as they are regarded as hard work.
Certainly do not do any funds transfers outside of the eBay internal system such as paying for his postage as he could get double funded for the return postage as eBay may claim the postage back from you on his behalf. Do everything through their internal system.
Your description and picure don't leave a lot of room for doubt.
But it's EBay - nuff said.
Agree with previous comments, the photo’s good and the description is correct.
Over the past few years , aided by tge distance selling regs, people are taking the attitude that they're buying items on approval and if the change their minds they’re entitled to return items, this is becoming ingrained in people’s approach to shopping. Ebay don’t help, they invariably side with the buyer even when the buyer is clearly in the wrong.
The only thing to do us suck it up, I haven’t sold an expensive item on ebay for a few years and I’d be reluctant to do so. You may get a better price for a watch compared to SC but you risk a lot of hassle.
Thanks to you all for the comments, it is a "learn the lesson and move on" I guess.
Dave
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