Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...
Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...
Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
You can’t, it’s impossible, the trick is to find a way to stop people wanting to use them.
Cheers..
Jase
Is this the Glasgow incident? I could walk into Tesco and buy a bread knife, walk outside and stab a few people before I’m overpowered. Wouldn’t even need to buy the knife. Could just take it from the display and go on a stabbing frenzy. Or I could do the same with a legal penknife. Not sure what we can do with all these potentially lethal weapons that also serve useful purposes in our homes. We can take guns off the streets, not so sure about knives.Originally Posted by Martylaa
Yeah Glasgow, I’m not sure what the answer is but hopefully something can change to avoid the amount that seems to be Realtek to knife crime around the UK.
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Or a hammer or an axe or a broken bottle ....many things can be used as a weapon. The inanimate object isn't really the culprit
At least the perpetrator is off our Streets permanently but these random attacks are impossible to police I imagine, sincere condolences to all concerned.
Or cars as they kill more people than any of the above each year.
Not exactly apples with apples though, is it? How often are cars used with criminal intent to kill someone?
Anyway, thankfully no-one has been killed other than the perp. Fingers crossed for those that have been injured, in particular the officer in serious but stable condition.
Shops selling fags kills about 220 a day in the UK, it just takes a few decades
As far as i remember stabbings here always took the ‘kitchen knife’ route
Well you could make it illegal to carry a fixed blade knife, or locking knife, or folding knife with a cutting edge longer than 3 inches on the streets. But they already have.
Unfortunately you can't legislate against idiots/lunatics/terrorists.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Agreed. Sad news. If it wasn’t a knife it would have been a hammer, screwdriver, transit van etc.
Yeah they have brought in laws, I have four legal knives I rotate as my edc. but even the law around this is odd. I’ve an illegal knife as I have in my credit card wallet a Swiss card. That contains a tiny fixed blade. That’s illegal. Also it’s 3” cutting edge, so some knives with pronounced up curves or tanto tips can exceed 3” cutting edge.
I’m lucky I was taught by my late father how to use a knife. It’s a tool not a weapon. I do think knife crime amongst youngsters seems to be glorified.
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This wasn't a 'street' stabbing.
The G&D isn't the forum to explain further.
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Jim.
I blame these:
Blunt knives save lives.
R
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Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Misplaced humour. People have been wounded.I blame these:
Blunt lives save lives.
R
Wrong sub forum IMHO.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Agreed as it will probably go down hill. OP’s intentions were good.
Quite. Not Rs normal style imo.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I thought that too. Unusual. Perhaps he’s human like all of us after all!
(And see I don’t always argue with you, grumpy sod!)
;-)
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Context.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
That makes it all better Ralphy. Thanks for clarifying.
Edit: I’ve just realised that sarcasm can be sometimes too subtle!
Last edited by Kirk280; 27th June 2020 at 09:05.
Err, killed is more accurate
It's the mindset of the perpetrator. Change that for the better and you've solved the problem.
They don't tend to put themselves forward to be changed/helped/locked away.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
How would you do this?
If only we could change people's mindsets on a few things
Person killed is even more accurate.
I was referring to those that were stabbed, not the perpetrator that the Police shot.
I take a personal responsibility in staying safe, rather than look to the wider policing, legislation and social systems to solve it - because I understand that I can have almost zero influence on any of the systems, nor the root cause behind any myriad of reasons for violent attacks to take place.
I ensure I am as best placed as possible to deal with violent situations in all their guises - awareness, ability to respond, preparedness and practice of all of that regularly.
I also teach this to my children from an early age (and to other people’s children professionally).
I try my best to give them all both skills and drills to do something in the worst case, of any potential case, and give them even more ability to avoid it becoming the worst case.
It does nothing to fix the problem.
It is a wholly selfish approach in the prioritising of care and survival of my loved ones, and those that come to me professionally for the same.
Maybe if we could all kick a bit more ass, there might be a reduction in casualties when incidents occur (and they always will in some form, I believe).
All in all, it is sad, scary and prevalent.
Guard yourself against it best you can - even if that is simply be aware it exists and it may touch you.
Practice and learn something to increase your odds in a situation. That is all any individual can reasonably do - and should be the very least they do, if they are at all able and give any thought for themselves.
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And still it goes on, knife crimes at its highest level since records began, how the hell do we stop this stuff…
https://news.sky.com/story/fatal-sta...began-12806729
And now the news 2 fifteen years old’s are charged with the stabbing and murder of a young girl in a park, 15 year’s old!!!
My daughter recently came home from school telling me a kid in her school was suspended for bringing a knife into school, I’m not sure what the answer is but something needs to be done…
What the hell is happening…
It definitely does and the answer is elusive if there is one.
Unfortunately every household has a kitchen drawer full of deadly weapons so it can never be completely eradicated.
Measures such as increased stop and search (controversial), stiffer sentencing for carrying (effectiveness highly debatable), and of course measures to change gang and youth culture (where do you start) can hopefully reduce it somewhat.
Stop and search does work but won’t, anyone stopped will just hold there hand up and accuse the police of stereotyping and the police will be told to stop picking on the poor lambs.
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Yep.
When I was in Secondary School I remember, on at least two occasions, kids bringing knives into school - that was ~35 years back. Not what I'd describe as a rough part of town, either.
65 years ago most of us lads would take a pen knife or sheaf knife to school and play spredsys at break time and there was NEVER an incident or threat, different times.
It was certainly frowned upon 35 to 40 years ago at my Grammar School...One winter it snowed and we had an epic battle with the next door Comprehensive, unfortunately one of theirs ran up to one of our prefects and slashed his hand quite badly with something sharp, someone else also lobbed a flick knife over instead of a snowball, ehh good times, them were t'days.
Nice "guns don't kill people" logic from OOK there.
Denzel has spoken. You don’t argue with the Equalizer.
Probably true!
I think he talks a lot of sense to be honest.
https://youtu.be/O0dCvQdt5XI
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Guns only kill people when used by other people. Knives only kill people when used by other people. Ban knives totally. Then they'll probably use screwdrivers. You have to stop people wanting to kill each other. I'm sure you have a solution.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Sadly it seems the CPS rarely enforce the law to it’s ‘maximum’ ....
The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once.
Stop and search needs to be cranked up and punishment strictly enforced......but it S&S can be politically challenging...
But agree with OOK ....bad people would just shift to another form of easily accessible weapon
Banning or regulating the sale of anything like knives or drain cleaner just inconveniences the 99.999% of the public that need the item for genuine reasons....
This. The laws are there but it’s how they are enforced and the penalties handed down by the courts that count.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I blame the knife producers
Ceon Broughton springs to mind...caught twice with knives ..a lock knife and then a stanley knife and was given a suspended sentence....
I know from experience talking to police just how utterly frustrated they are when CPS / courts don’t enforce harder sentences for such offences and the very same police see the person they arrest and charge back on the streets with a caution or suspended sentence or community service.....it’s incredibly demoralising..
Ceon was this gentleman
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...ugs-legal-aid/
Of course he doesnt, he just likes to post silly quips on a watch forum.
But surely material things are linked to deprivation and austerity. There weren’t more youth clubs and services for children 50 or 100 years ago. Possibly the difference is the tome parents had to be with children?
So why are there more vulnerable children today, is it values instilled at home, definitions? When 15 year olds were volunteering to sign up to fight in WW1 they were pretty vulnerable then, and there’s plenty of instances like that.
Some parents, from all classes don’t seem to have the desire to put the time in. middle classes are the worst sometimes, they know their rights and will ring a school dry through complaints etc. They had a life before of yoga and travel and they don’t think it should change.
Unfortunately professionals don’t have the time or buy in a parent has. I listen to my children, but if they’re taking the piss I make sure they do their homework, go to rugby, practice violin etc. I work in a school and I firmly believe the best thing we can do is provide life opportunities. The 2015 SEND Code of Practice really tried to address this but it hasn’t worked.
I was speaking to an Educational Psychologist and she firmly believes that there is no bad behaviour, it’s just communication, they’re letting you know they’re unhappy (which is certainly true in some but not all cases). But after 11 years of school what if this ‘communication’ hasn’t stopped.
In the latest stats I could find (2019):
And it has only worsened since 2019 I'd imagine.£422.3m: reduction in spending on services for young people in last six years
3,500: number of youth service jobs lost (since 2010)
600: number of youth centres closed (since 2010)
130,000: number of places in youth centres eliminated (since 2010)
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
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