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    Another stabbing incident...

    Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...

    Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...

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    You canít, itís impossible, the trick is to find a way to stop people wanting to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martylaa View Post
    Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...

    Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
    Is this the Glasgow incident? I could walk into Tesco and buy a bread knife, walk outside and stab a few people before Iím overpowered. Wouldnít even need to buy the knife. Could just take it from the display and go on a stabbing frenzy. Or I could do the same with a legal penknife. Not sure what we can do with all these potentially lethal weapons that also serve useful purposes in our homes. We can take guns off the streets, not so sure about knives.

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    Yeah Glasgow, Iím not sure what the answer is but hopefully something can change to avoid the amount that seems to be Realtek to knife crime around the UK.


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    Or a hammer or an axe or a broken bottle ....many things can be used as a weapon. The inanimate object isn't really the culprit

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    At least the perpetrator is off our Streets permanently but these random attacks are impossible to police I imagine, sincere condolences to all concerned.

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    Or cars as they kill more people than any of the above each year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc1216 View Post
    Or cars as they kill more people than any of the above each year.
    Not exactly apples with apples though, is it? How often are cars used with criminal intent to kill someone?

    Anyway, thankfully no-one has been killed other than the perp. Fingers crossed for those that have been injured, in particular the officer in serious but stable condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc1216 View Post
    Or cars as they kill more people than any of the above each year.
    Shops selling fags kills about 220 a day in the UK, it just takes a few decades

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonM View Post
    You canít, itís impossible, the trick is to find a way to stop people wanting to use them.
    I think more educating people on the responsible use of knives. I love the art of knife making and appreciate the skill that goes into it. Likewise, chefs, people going fishing, camping, hunting etc..... plenty of people use knives in a responsible way I feel the problem is more than just seeking to ban or restrict them.

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    As far as i remember stabbings here always took the Ďkitchen knifeí route

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martylaa View Post
    Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...

    Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
    Well you could make it illegal to carry a fixed blade knife, or locking knife, or folding knife with a cutting edge longer than 3 inches on the streets. But they already have.

    Unfortunately you can't legislate against idiots/lunatics/terrorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martylaa View Post
    Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...

    Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
    This wasn't a 'street' stabbing.

    The G&D isn't the forum to explain further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakuan View Post
    time to get tough on kitchens and the causes of kitchens
    I blame these:



    Blunt knives save lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Well you could make it illegal to carry a fixed blade knife, or locking knife, or folding knife with a cutting edge longer than 3 inches on the streets. But they already have.

    Unfortunately you can't legislate against idiots/lunatics/terrorists.
    Agreed. Sad news. If it wasnít a knife it would have been a hammer, screwdriver, transit van etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I blame these:



    Blunt lives save lives.

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    Misplaced humour. People have been wounded.

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    Wrong sub forum IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Wrong sub forum IMHO.
    Agreed as it will probably go down hill. OPís intentions were good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk280 View Post
    Misplaced humour. People have been wounded.
    Quite. Not Rs normal style imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Quite. Not Rs normal style imo.
    I thought that too. Unusual. Perhaps heís human like all of us after all!

    (And see I donít always argue with you, grumpy sod!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk280 View Post
    I thought that too. Unusual. Perhaps heís human like all of us after all!

    (And see I donít always argue with you, grumpy sod!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk280 View Post
    Misplaced humour. People have been wounded.
    Context.
    Quote Originally Posted by Martylaa View Post
    Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...

    Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
    Quote Originally Posted by Dakuan View Post
    time to get tough on kitchens and the causes of kitchens
    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I blame these:

    Blunt lives save lives.
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    That makes it all better Ralphy. Thanks for clarifying.

    Edit: Iíve just realised that sarcasm can be sometimes too subtle!
    Last edited by Kirk280; 27th June 2020 at 09:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk280 View Post
    Misplaced humour. People have been wounded.
    Err, killed is more accurate

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    It's the mindset of the perpetrator. Change that for the better and you've solved the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    Err, killed is more accurate
    Person killed is even more accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    Err, killed is more accurate
    I was referring to those that were stabbed, not the perpetrator that the Police shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    It's the mindset of the perpetrator. Change that for the better and you've solved the problem.
    They don't tend to put themselves forward to be changed/helped/locked away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    It's the mindset of the perpetrator. Change that for the better and you've solved the problem.
    How would you do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    It's the mindset of the perpetrator. Change that for the better and you've solved the problem.
    If only we could change people's mindsets on a few things

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    These incidents are getting worse with 13yr olds being charged with murder...a great start to life 🙁
    Machete's are now increasingly used and fights more prolific. There was an incident recently on Formby beach with 3 men fighting with them.
    It's time the courts were dishing out harsher sentences and the Police using 'stop and search' more.
    It's only going to get worse.

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    Maybe if ďstop and searchĒ hadnít been applied disproportionately towards black and minority ethnic groups it would still have a place in modern policing? Weíve had the party of law and order in power for quite some considerable time now so surely we should be seeing more severe sentences for knife crime and other violent acts? Or is so-called soft sentencing the fault of the socialists and Corbyn/Starmer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod View Post
    These incidents are getting worse with 13yr olds being charged with murder...a great start to life ūüôĀ
    Machete's are now increasingly used and fights more prolific. There was an incident recently on Formby beach with 3 men fighting with them.
    It's time the courts were dishing out harsher sentences and the Police using 'stop and search' more.
    It's only going to get worse.
    Itís all in hand https://news.sky.com/story/amp/we-ar...inals-11824598

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    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/151646...stamford-hill/

    According to the Sun 18 stabbings in a space of a week!

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    Another stabbing incident...

    I take a personal responsibility in staying safe, rather than look to the wider policing, legislation and social systems to solve it - because I understand that I can have almost zero influence on any of the systems, nor the root cause behind any myriad of reasons for violent attacks to take place.

    I ensure I am as best placed as possible to deal with violent situations in all their guises - awareness, ability to respond, preparedness and practice of all of that regularly.
    I also teach this to my children from an early age (and to other peopleís children professionally).
    I try my best to give them all both skills and drills to do something in the worst case, of any potential case, and give them even more ability to avoid it becoming the worst case.

    It does nothing to fix the problem.
    It is a wholly selfish approach in the prioritising of care and survival of my loved ones, and those that come to me professionally for the same.

    Maybe if we could all kick a bit more ass, there might be a reduction in casualties when incidents occur (and they always will in some form, I believe).

    All in all, it is sad, scary and prevalent.
    Guard yourself against it best you can - even if that is simply be aware it exists and it may touch you.
    Practice and learn something to increase your odds in a situation. That is all any individual can reasonably do - and should be the very least they do, if they are at all able and give any thought for themselves.




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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    Maybe if ďstop and searchĒ hadnít been applied disproportionately towards black and minority ethnic groups it would still have a place in modern policing? Weíve had the party of law and order in power for quite some considerable time now so surely we should be seeing more severe sentences for knife crime and other violent acts? Or is so-called soft sentencing the fault of the socialists and Corbyn/Starmer?
    Totally disagree with this.
    Target resources.
    If black youths are disproportionately stopped and searched it's because they disproportionately die as a result of stabbings.
    I remember seeing a programme where they were in a black community and all the mothers were bemoaning the fact that the police had cut down on the stop and search stops of youths in the community as it then resulted in more knife crime.
    Maybe ask the stabbing victims mothers and fathers if they agree with cutting back the stop and search for knives.

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    As long as people keep blaming knives there will be no end. Knives arenít to blame for the violence weíre seeing.
    Itís a community problem driven by drug money and the gang culture.
    The answer begins in the home, as Denzel Washington said ďIt starts in the home. If the father is not in the home, the boy will find a father in the streets. I saw it in my generation and every generation before me, and every one since.Ē
    Calling it knife crime conveniently shifts the responsibility away from the communities where it is happening.
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    Nice "guns don't kill people" logic from OOK there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Nice "guns don't kill people" logic from OOK there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Nice "guns don't kill people" logic from OOK there.
    Guns only kill people when used by other people. Knives only kill people when used by other people. Ban knives totally. Then they'll probably use screwdrivers. You have to stop people wanting to kill each other. I'm sure you have a solution.
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    Sadly it seems the CPS rarely enforce the law to itís Ďmaximumí ....

    The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. Youíll get a prison sentence if youíre convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

    Stop and search needs to be cranked up and punishment strictly enforced......but it S&S can be politically challenging...

    But agree with OOK ....bad people would just shift to another form of easily accessible weapon

    Banning or regulating the sale of anything like knives or drain cleaner just inconveniences the 99.999% of the public that need the item for genuine reasons....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Totally disagree with this.
    Target resources.
    If black youths are disproportionately stopped and searched it's because they disproportionately die as a result of stabbings.
    I remember seeing a programme where they were in a black community and all the mothers were bemoaning the fact that the police had cut down on the stop and search stops of youths in the community as it then resulted in more knife crime.
    Maybe ask the stabbing victims mothers and fathers if they agree with cutting back the stop and search for knives.
    Don't understand logic here. Those disproportionately stopped and searched should be the criminals not the victims.

    Might be the same in this case but beside the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Guns only kill people when used by other people. Knives only kill people when used by other people. Ban knives totally. Then they'll probably use screwdrivers. You have to stop people wanting to kill each other. I'm sure you have a solution.
    Of course he doesnt, he just likes to post silly quips on a watch forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKH View Post
    Sadly it seems the CPS rarely enforce the law to itís Ďmaximumí ....

    The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. Youíll get a prison sentence if youíre convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

    Stop and search needs to be cranked up and punishment strictly enforced......but it S&S can be politically challenging...

    But agree with OOK ....bad people would just shift to another form of easily accessible weapon

    Banning or regulating the sale of anything like knives or drain cleaner just inconveniences the 99.999% of the public that need the item for genuine reasons....
    This. The laws are there but itís how they are enforced and the penalties handed down by the courts that count.
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    I blame the knife producers

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    Denzel has spoken. You donít argue with the Equalizer.
    Probably true!

    I think he talks a lot of sense to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    This. The laws are there but itís how they are enforced and the penalties handed down by the courts that count.
    Ceon Broughton springs to mind...caught twice with knives ..a lock knife and then a stanley knife and was given a suspended sentence....

    I know from experience talking to police just how utterly frustrated they are when CPS / courts donít enforce harder sentences for such offences and the very same police see the person they arrest and charge back on the streets with a caution or suspended sentence or community service.....itís incredibly demoralising..

    Ceon was this gentleman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Don't understand logic here. Those disproportionately stopped and searched should be the criminals not the victims.

    Might be the same in this case but beside the point.
    The same youths being stopped and searched are also likely to be the victims.
    No point in stopping and searching an old granny in the street so that the statistics for searches is equal-waste of resources.

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    Many people now have grown up on games like GTA, Assassin's Creed, watched lots of music videos downloaded hundreds of ultra violent movies, it's no wonder Generation Z are desensitised to violence and think nothing of carrying a knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvic View Post
    Many people now have grown up on games like GTA, Assassin's Creed, watched lots of music videos downloaded hundreds of ultra violent movies, it's no wonder Generation Z are desensitised to violence and think nothing of carrying a knife.
    Most of my grandparents generation grew up fighting to the bitter death in ww1 or ww2. A daily struggle of surviving grenade attacks, mustard gas, foot rot, best friends dying, and on accessions staring their combatant in the face in mortal hand to hand combat. Doesnít really compare to to a bit of fortnite or CoD. Didnít see them coming home and stabbing each other.

    The cause of teenage stabbings is multivariate but ultimately values are best instilled in children by parents, and ultimately an individual needs to be held responsible for their actions.

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