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Hi, I've had many air guns and blank fireing pistols,
I need adive on a deactivated astra .22 ppk pistol, looked online but not much there.
Cheers.
Advice on what?
It's deactivated - what do you want to know?
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Sorry, what it might be worthOriginally Posted by hafle
I thought the EU passed law making any deact illegal to sell.
Wrong. It’s illegal to sell deactivated guns, which do not comply with the current Home Office Technical standard.
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Indeed, as I've just been reading. I was not putting my thought across as fact, just something to consider. But it seems to be EU based, not UK. I'll keep hold of my Thompson for now, and just 'domate' it to a friend as and when. Not going to ruin it just comply with bulls**t EU directives.
It has a deactivation cert from 1998
This is correct to an extent the UK law comes from EU directive.
The UK has recently changed the law on deactivated firearms (Dec19)
Previously you could trade / sell buy any firearm that had a barrel plug and that could not chamber a round.
Now, before the weapon is sold or transferred it must go to the government for review and inspection here is is marked as deactivated, where the deactivation is not deemed sufficient the inspection house can undertake the work or destroy the fire arm.
You must also notify the government of any transfer, sale or purchase of deactivated fire arms that have undergone and passed inspection. (Both parties need to do this just as you do with an FAC)
Sufficient deactivation is essentially the welding of the action to the frame.
As such all deactivated weapons are now pretty much worthless unless something really rare with the correct supporting paperwork even then the new legislation has wiped this market of pretty much all value.
Does not matter, the 2019 Regs supersede this and the standards of 1998 do not meet the new deactivation requirements.
Sorry but it’s pretty much worthless
Which is why I'll just give mine to a friend ;)
I just did a quick check
Instead of welding the slide to the frame you can cut a slit in the barrel of 1/2 the caliber diameter in width, twice the length of the chamber! So that would be the barrel cut away in this instance!
It also needs the feed ramp removed or made immobile, again impossible to do on this simple blow back pistol without welding the slide really.
A simple welded plug is is no longer acceptable. (And quite rightly so as they are easily reversed and pose a real danger to the public in the hands of criminals)
Standards can be found here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/720333/EU_DA_Reg_UK_Guidance.xlsx
Last edited by Sinnlover; 9th June 2020 at 21:35.
Thanks for the advice, it was a choice between this or a blank fireing pistol, looks safer to buy the latter
I’ve got a certified 9mm Browning Hi-Power with no barrel plug, it’s an old 80s de-act spec. Only realistic outlet is handing it into the police, should’ve sold it a few years ago!
Out of interest did the seller make you aware of the requirement for you to notify the authorities of the transfer? I presume they are not a dealer?
Has this pistol been inspected and certified since 1998? (Since Dec 19)
If not he is breaking the law and so would you be if buying it.
I would also do your home work before buying a blank fire as well. It must be a UK compliant blank pistol (vent out the top of the barrel -
Not from the muzzle) otherwise it’s a section one firearm.
Sorry for stating the obvious.!
Last edited by Sinnlover; 9th June 2020 at 21:53.
A pattern is forming,,,
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
You're probably correct. Ive no time for this truly pathetic country.A pattern is forming,,,
Sorry to be a kill joy (I am good at it) but you would also be breaking the new regulations for ‘transfer’
How the authorities would know is a different matter.
Preaching to the choir. Point being that the authorities don't have a clue. So far as I care, they can get ******. It is beyond pathetic
America beckons
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Strangely what I find depressing about Britain is how we're becoming increasingly like the States.America beckons
Although I guess not in this respect.
M
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'Pretend guns'
Really?
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I think they were talking about deactivated guns, and blank firing guns, rather than ‘pretend’ guns.
In the past some people have studied them, and used them for research, as live examples weren’t available.
Last edited by oldoakknives; 10th June 2020 at 00:14. Reason: puntooation
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
A friend's son was gifted an old rifle that was deactivated, when they took it to a specialist to have it checked over they informed them it was illegal as it had been gifted without being deactivated to the latest specifications, which started a merry go round and a wedge of cash to get it deactivated up to the 2019 regs.
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Like the man said, pretend guns. Hilarious
Nice try.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
About 15 years ago I had a deactivated Walther PPK and a Makarov as display pieces on a shelf in the living room. Wound the then Mrs V up a treat so well worth it. They had deactivation certificates and invoices from the dealers they were bought from. Looking at the newer regs I don't think that they would have met them so Im now pleased that I sold them when I did.
They were interesting objects to own and a nostalgic reference back to the times when I shot pistols before the Blair government banned all shooting of this type in the UK (excluding the IOM, Channel Islands and NI of course)
I have these two that I have found were made in South Africa in the late 1950's for the tourist market by a local craftsman.
Very realistic looking, great as man cave showpieces.
Nice pair, PPK very underrated by some.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
The new regs certainly have ruined the deacs now.
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