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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    Sorry, I don't have one of those straps. The stated thickness of these straps on the Haveston website is 1.5mm, but my 5 20mm versions range between 1.69mm and 1.89mm, so an actual 1.5mm might well fit on. These differences may seem small, but changing from 1.8mm springbars to 1.5mm meant the 22mm versions will fit on my 40mm Everest without resorting to curved bars. The 20mm Bakelite-F version is the thinnest of this size, yet is also noticeably stiffer, no two are exactly alike. The measurements were taken using a Mitutoyo digital instrument so I'm confident they are accurate.
    Thanks - I'll give them I miss I think. I'm wearing my CWC Diver on a Zuludiver pull through strap which I prefer for comfort (compared to the double layer of strap that comes with wearing a NATO).

    I might have a look at an Erika's or similar as you seem to be able to configure those so that you can avoid the 'double strap' situation under the head of the watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddiex View Post
    Thanks - I'll give them I miss I think. I'm wearing my CWC Diver on a Zuludiver pull through strap which I prefer for comfort (compared to the double layer of strap that comes with wearing a NATO).

    I might have a look at an Erika's or similar as you seem to be able to configure those so that you can avoid the 'double strap' situation under the head of the watch.
    You can always remove the "extra bit" from a standard Nato to convert it to single pass through style.







    Then, with a dab or two of glue and couple of stitches, the bit you removed can be made into a matching accessory for the combo. ;-)



    It's also easy to further alter your now pass through style Nato to the Haveston sliding keeper style. I use two pairs of pliers, jaws taped to avoid marking the metal. Gripping the sides of the keeper second from the buckle, as far down as as you can, carefully pull and spread the join in the keeper, which is hidden in it's stitched sleeve. Just do a little at a time until you have spread it enough to be able to remove it. Close the gap and refit. You need to take care when removing the strap from the watch as it can slide off and be lost. If it moves when being worn press the ends of the join in, and this will tighten the gap. The whole process can be reversed, although this is a little more difficult.

    Before and after.



    Fastened.


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    Good tip! I had read about cutting the extra piece off from the NATO strap but had not thought about making the second keeper into a sliding one. I'll give that a go on one of my old ones.

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    I've worn and washed the Bakelite-F enough now to be very happy with the canvas keepers. So happy in fact that I ordered another, along with another M-1944C, also with canvas keepers (although metal versions are still in stock until they are all gone). I got another one of each because I now can't decide which of these two colours I like best, so I thought a couple of spares would be handy to tuck away in case either is discontinued. ;-)



    PS. Those keepers haven't faded as much as it appears, it's just the way the light caught them.

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    I just unpacked the new canvas keepered M-1944C to try on the DA37 I'm wearing at the moment, and it stuck out like a sore thumb that the keepers are wider than on the Bakelite-F that's coming off. A quick measurement with the trusty Mitutoyo shows a 1mm difference, 6mm vs 7mm. I also bought another Bakelite-F as a spare, so I'll unpack it tomorrow to measure it and take some shots in natural light. These straps do shrink a smidge with repeated wear and washing, but not that much. The strap width it'self is spot on 20mm. I think I'll mail Alex next week to ask about this. Apologies for the harsh light . . .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Qatar-wol View Post
    Same strap, different watch.

    Hi all, just been reading this thread and Iím thinking of trying a couple of these, can anyone please tell me which colour this is?
    Thanks in advance,
    Rob

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    That's an M-1918C, albeit nicely faded.

    Here not so faded . . .



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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    That's an M-1918C, albeit nicely faded.

    Here not so faded . . .


    Thank you, I thought it was but it’s quite a bit lighter so was wondering if it was an older model no longer made.
    Cheers,
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    Here's a look at how the straps have faded after a good bit of wear and washing. The top 2 are M-1944Cs, unworn and then faded, then a pair of Bakelite-Fs unworn/faded, followed by a Forecastle, M-1918C (a little lighter than it actually is) and A-12 (a little darker than it actually is). The Bakelite has hardly had time to fade as I haven't had it that long and not worn it as much as the others. What pleases me is that what I thought might be a weak point, ie. the stitching around the tang holes, has been no problem whatsoever. These are all 20mm, the 22mm versions which are older have fared the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    Here's a look at how the straps have faded after a good bit of wear and washing. The top 2 are M-1944Cs, unworn and then faded, then a pair of Bakelite-Fs unworn/faded, followed by a Forecastle, M-1918C (a little lighter than it actually is) and A-12 (a little darker than it actually is). The Bakelite has hardly had time to fade as I haven't had it that long and not worn it as much as the others. What pleases me is that what I thought might be a weak point, ie. the stitching around the tang holes, has been no problem whatsoever. These are all 20mm, the 22mm versions which are older have fared the same.


    Great pic, thanks.
    Iíve just sold the watch I was interested in these for but when I find the next one I will definitely be getting a selection.
    Theyíre a fair price too

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbusg60 View Post
    Great pic, thanks.
    Iíve just sold the watch I was interested in these for but when I find the next one I will definitely be getting a selection.
    Theyíre a fair price too

    Trust me, the price belies their quality, and that goes for the nylon Havestons too . . .



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    Based on this thread I bought a couple of Haveston straps. I have looked at them previously but because of all the US military references and the fact that the website was in dollars, I didn't realise they were based in the UK.

    I went for the M-1944 green canvas, with canvas keepers and an M-1936 single pass layout.

    I had a canvas strap a long time ago from Eddie, but that was fairly cheap and had a cardboard structure if I recall correctly. The Haveston one seems much better quality, and I assume it is canvas all the way down. I've not had any problems fitting the canvas strap through the spring bar gap on my CWC. It's tighter than a regular NATO, but not unduly so.

    I like the floating keeper on the canvas, although less so on the nylon strap, which has metal keepers and it tends to slip more easily. Also because my wrists are relatively small, I have a long tail, which the floating metal keeper doesn't quite reach.

    I've been alternating, but I think I like the canvas one the most, and I will probably be ordering the black canvas at some point soon as well.

    As we all like photos




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    For those of you that have a canvas Forecastle, is it grey or is blue-grey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurrayMint View Post

    I went for the M-1944 green canvas, with canvas keepers and an M-1936 single pass layout.

    I have a M-1936 single pass which I use on my CWC Divers and I agree - it looks good on the watch but the metal keeper does move about a bit.

    Does the canvas strap make the watch wear too high on your wrist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MurrayMint View Post
    For those of you that have a canvas Forecastle, is it grey or is blue-grey?

    Grey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurrayMint View Post
    For those of you that have a canvas Forecastle, is it grey or is blue-grey?
    As stated, grey, but the stitching has a blueish tint which becomes more apparent and contrasted as the strap fades.

    Here for comparison faded 20mm and much less faded 22mm (although it's catching up now).



    Quote Originally Posted by Eddiex View Post
    I have a M-1936 single pass which I use on my CWC Divers and I agree - it looks good on the watch but the metal keeper does move about a bit.

    Does the canvas strap make the watch wear too high on your wrist?
    To stop the keeper moving bend in the two ends where the metal meets in between the two layers of canvas. Just a touch with needle pliers, do each end individually and put something flat across the outside of the keeper to stop the pliers bowing it in. The canvas is nicely pliable, and this along with the single pass style keeps the watch low to the wrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddiex View Post
    Does the canvas strap make the watch wear too high on your wrist?
    No. The canvas is thicker than a NATO, but it isn't noticeable on the wrist.

    Quote Originally Posted by brummie64 View Post
    Grey.
    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    As stated, grey, but the stitching has a blueish tint which becomes more apparent and contrasted as the strap fades.
    Thanks. Probably grey and black for my next order. Although the bakelite is tempting.

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