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    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958 View Post
    I`ve watches the BBBC presentation of Covid 19 news throughout and apart from a couple of cringeworthy moments I think their coverage has been fair. The virologist from Cambridge Uni has been on a few times, he speaks with authority as would be expected from someone who's an expert. Remember, these guys are open to peer review and the one thing academics, professors and specialists don't like is having their expert view discredited by their peers. On that basis I`m inclined to believe him.

    As for the testing deadline, there was an element of 'accentuating the positive' inasmuch as the 122K tests included test kits sent out that day rather than completed tests. I`ll forgive this, the object was to demonstrate the capability to carry out 100.000 tests per day and I`ll accept that. The logistics of ensuring this figure happens every day is another challenge.
    I know it’s difficult to fill the news when there isn’t much else to report but at the same time they have extended their airtime on BBC1 for news coverage and it really seems like they are just having to pad it out. Also on the website some of their headlines have become rather stretched when it comes to the actual facts and rather sensationalist in some cases.

    Dont think you got the point on testing it was the constant asking if they would make the 100,000 well in advance of the date when the only time this would be know was after that date it really gave the impression that they wanted them to fail, same applies to other subjects where they have been told that there isn’t a reply that can be given yet and had it explained why but they continue to ask when there are certainly other question which I would like an answer to which aren’t getting asked.
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    Itís the job of the press to ask how Ministers are going to fulfil their promises, along with Her Majestyís opposition of course, so I canít be critical of it. If they werenít asking Ministers obviously awkward questions, then who?

    I agree that todayís 24/7 news setups can get a bit repetitive, and itís a lot of time to fill, thatís why I only dip in and out of them.

    Fortunately, Iíve been working throughout this, so havenít had the time to read/watch everything being put out by the networks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooks View Post
    Itís the job of the press to ask how Ministers are going to fulfil their promises, along with Her Majestyís opposition of course, so I canít be critical of it. If they werenít asking Ministers obviously awkward questions, then who?

    I agree that todayís 24/7 news setups can get a bit repetitive, and itís a lot of time to fill, thatís why I only dip in and out of them.

    Fortunately, Iíve been working throughout this, so havenít had the time to read/watch everything being put out by the networks.
    I thought it was the job of news programs on the national broadcaster to report the news rather than views, which seems to be the norm. And leave being Her Majestyís Opposition to, well, Her Majestyís Opposition. Itís not really the BBCs job to hold ministers to account or to give their support to any political party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    I thought it was the job of news programs on the national broadcaster to report the news rather than views, which seems to be the norm. And leave being Her Majestyís Opposition to, well, Her Majestyís Opposition. Itís not really the BBCs job to hold ministers to account or to give their support to any political party.
    Yes I agree, news output has changed, it seems to be a mix of genuine Ďnewsí, some investigative pieces, and lots of Ďcombativeí interviews now isnít it.

    Whether itís for the better, I donít know, but I dislike how most news organisations have become politicised. Maybe thatís inevitable.

    Iíd rather that than a North Korea style Ďstate mediaí though, at least we appear to have a choice of providers and theyíre not all obediently towing the company line.

    Itís no doubt a thread all of its own!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooks View Post
    It’s the job of the press to ask how Ministers are going to fulfil their promises, along with Her Majesty’s opposition of course, so I can’t be critical of it. If they weren’t asking Ministers obviously awkward questions, then who?
    It’s the Job of the BBC to report unbiased News to keep the licence payers informed and it’s not the ‘how’ that’s been repeatedly asked, that had already been answered, it’s the straight repeating of are you going to do it or similar.
    Havent heard a single question recently asking if they are now happy with the accuracy of the serology test and when the 20,000 random tests will be completed which must be one of the most important things as would give an overall picture of what percentage of the population have it and have had it.

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    You want news from the easing of the lockdown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBKBABAB View Post
    Itís the Job of the BBC to report unbiased News to keep the licence payers informed and itís not the Ďhowí thatís been repeatedly asked, that had already been answered, itís the straight repeating of are you going to do it or similar.
    Havent heard a single question recently asking if they are now happy with the accuracy of the serology test and when the 20,000 random tests will be completed which must be one of the most important things as would give an overall picture of what percentage of the population have it and have had it.
    If the BBC (or anybody else) donít get straight answers, then what are they supposed to do?

    There is a difference between hearing the Ďnewsí, and not hearing what you want to hear.

    Fortunately here in the UK, we donít have to rely on one news source, but confirmation bias is common both in news reporting and news receiving.

    I havenít watched Ďthe newsí exhaustively for a number of weeks, so Iíve no idea if anybody (BBC or not) is asking the questions youíre wanting the answers to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You want news from the easing of the lockdown?


    That is the best assessment of the situation so far.

    the trouble is half the country or more is too thick to understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    That is the best assessment of the situation so far.

    the trouble is half the country or more is too thick to understand it.
    Which half do you think that is? And how do you arrive at that figure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    That is the best assessment of the situation so far.

    the trouble is half the country or more is too thick to understand it.
    So do you include other countries in that quote...i.e Sweden who in my view got it right but time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooks View Post
    If the BBC (or anybody else) donít get straight answers, then what are they supposed to do?

    There is a difference between hearing the Ďnewsí, and not hearing what you want to hear.

    Fortunately here in the UK, we donít have to rely on one news source, but confirmation bias is common both in news reporting and news receiving.

    I havenít watched Ďthe newsí exhaustively for a number of weeks, so Iíve no idea if anybody (BBC or not) is asking the questions youíre wanting the answers to.
    They got straight answers when they were available but itís pointless to keep asking the same question when itís been explained to you why a straight yes or no canít be given and obvious to anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence that it canít.

    The second point was just an example I didnít expect you to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    That is the best assessment of the situation so far.

    the trouble is half the country or more is too thick to understand it.
    i dont know about too thick but many young people would put their social life first and will go out on the beer first chance they get in large numbers

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    Fortunately here in the UK, we donít have to rely on one news source, but confirmation bias is common both in news reporting and news receiving.
    Unfortunately we only see the U.K. view on the U.K. the rest of the world is looking at us in disbelief, the highest death toll in Europe despite a 2 week Ďheads upí on what was happening elsewhere.
    An abysmal re-active not proactive government and a chronically underfunded NHS in the 5th largest economy in the world. People applauding a 100 year war veteran for raising millions? Itís an embarrassment, it shouldnít be needed.
    And yet the doe-eyed public lap up the Ďblitz spirití pedalled by the media.
    Those I know working in the NHS would rather they get paid properly and supplied proper PPE than be clapped for doing their job.

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    Lots of information coming out of Ireland and we are supposedly two weeks behind them so Iíd expect similar Iím unsure how to post the full document




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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You want news from the easing of the lockdown?
    I was just about to post that.

    Its the hard truth of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bertb00th View Post
    Lots of information coming out of Ireland and we are supposedly two weeks behind them so Iíd expect similar Iím unsure how to post the full document




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    Yeah it's interesting. Although their lockdown was more intense then here. Childcare was closed to all until may 18th then open for key worked only. Which is the same as what's happening in the UK currently. So although we are two weeks behind in terms of entering into lockdown we are also two weeks ahead in terms of exiting. Childcare will lot resume for non esstial worked until July. Which effectively means schools will not reopen until September. Would be happy to see that here but I think many would feel differently.

    Saying that school holidays begin end of may for secondary and end of June for primary so they would only be returning for a couple of weeks even if schools opened now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You want news from the easing of the lockdown?

    Word.

    There's an APP being tested, it'll be kosher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alansmithee View Post
    He's a structural biologist not an epidemiologist.
    Yes but unlike Neil Ferguson he probably sticks to the lockdown rules.

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    Think the lockdown will remain in effect weíre still seeing a high volume of cases.

    Industry is still not clear on how to proceed post lockdown which is a challenge.

    Potentially some businesses could reopen (hairdressers etc) like in DE and IT! (Definitely need a haircut now)

    Would be interesting to see what the GVT result is with the App they launched on the isle of white.

    Any people here from the Isle to get their opinion on it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    Unfortunately we only see the U.K. view on the U.K. the rest of the world is looking at us in disbelief, the highest death toll in Europe despite a 2 week Ďheads upí on what was happening elsewhere.
    An abysmal re-active not proactive government and a chronically underfunded NHS in the 5th largest economy in the world. People applauding a 100 year war veteran for raising millions? Itís an embarrassment, it shouldnít be needed.
    And yet the doe-eyed public lap up the Ďblitz spirití pedalled by the media.
    Those I know working in the NHS would rather they get paid properly and supplied proper PPE than be clapped for doing their job.
    With all due respect, are you sure other countries are reporting their own numbers accurately? Until this is all over I really have no idea when or if we will ever get the true figures to compare one country with another. I get very irritated with people criticising their own country as if everyone else has done so much better - letís wait a few years from now and see email the reality was. I donít think anyone is getting Ďdoe eyed about a blitz spirití and I think Captain Tom was keen to raise money initially just to say thank you for his own care, not to bail out the NHS. At least he has pride in his country rather than just criticising it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    Unfortunately we only see the U.K. view on the U.K. the rest of the world is looking at us in disbelief, the highest death toll in Europe despite a 2 week Ďheads upí on what was happening elsewhere.
    An abysmal re-active not proactive government and a chronically underfunded NHS in the 5th largest economy in the world. People applauding a 100 year war veteran for raising millions? Itís an embarrassment, it shouldnít be needed.
    And yet the doe-eyed public lap up the Ďblitz spirití pedalled by the media.
    Those I know working in the NHS would rather they get paid properly and supplied proper PPE than be clapped for doing their job.
    Yep fully agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You want news from the easing of the lockdown?

    Thereís always been room, the fact theyíve shut all the nightingale hospitals due to lack of patients shows that, everybody has been sold a lie with this lockdown nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    Unfortunately we only see the U.K. view on the U.K. the rest of the world is looking at us in disbelief, the highest death toll in Europe despite a 2 week Ďheads upí on what was happening elsewhere.
    An abysmal re-active not proactive government and a chronically underfunded NHS in the 5th largest economy in the world. People applauding a 100 year war veteran for raising millions? Itís an embarrassment, it shouldnít be needed.
    And yet the doe-eyed public lap up the Ďblitz spirití pedalled by the media.
    Those I know working in the NHS would rather they get paid properly and supplied proper PPE than be clapped for doing their job.
    Bang on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooshabak View Post
    Thereís always been room, the fact theyíve shut all the nightingale hospitals due to lack of patients shows that, everybody has been sold a lie with this lockdown nonsense
    Funnily you say that as I had to, unfortunately, take my daughter in for an emergency dental procedure last week due to an injury and we were lucky in that we were able to be seen straight away as the anesthetist happened to be in that day. The anesthetist told me that the rest of the week he is at nightingale hospital treating patients. So, not sure where you are getting your info from as it seems they are very much open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    Unfortunately we only see the U.K. view on the U.K. the rest of the world is looking at us in disbelief, the highest death toll in Europe despite a 2 week Ďheads upí on what was happening elsewhere.
    An abysmal re-active not proactive government and a chronically underfunded NHS in the 5th largest economy in the world. People applauding a 100 year war veteran for raising millions? Itís an embarrassment, it shouldnít be needed.
    And yet the doe-eyed public lap up the Ďblitz spirití pedalled by the media.
    Those I know working in the NHS would rather they get paid properly and supplied proper PPE than be clapped for doing their job.
    Superb summation. This is very much the view of our friends in the UK from across the Irish Sea. I have very close friends and family in the UK and it pains me to see how poor the response has been. From Cheltenham to take it on the chin/herd immunity, itís been terrible and the figures bear this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    With all due respect, are you sure other countries are reporting their own numbers accurately? Until this is all over I really have no idea when or if we will ever get the true figures to compare one country with another. I get very irritated with people criticising their own country as if everyone else has done so much better - letís wait a few years from now and see email the reality was. I donít think anyone is getting Ďdoe eyed about a blitz spirití and I think Captain Tom was keen to raise money initially just to say thank you for his own care, not to bail out the NHS. At least he has pride in his country rather than just criticising it.


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    Agree with this. Spainís death rate year on year is 30,000 higher than it should be but only 20,000 attributed to Corvid 19. Given the country was in lockdown the numbers of deaths from car and bike crashes work accidents etc should have fallen.

    I think across many countries the figures are not based on the same data sets. How many countries include deaths at home and only hospitals plus hospices and care homes? I get the impression itís apples and oranges maybe.

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    Funnily you say that as I had to, unfortunately, take my daughter in for an emergency dental procedure last week due to an injury and we were lucky in that we were able to be seen straight away as the anesthetist happened to be in that day. The anesthetist told me that the rest of the week he is at nightingale hospital treating patients. So, not sure where you are getting your info from as it seems they are very much open.
    Read the news the info is out there, one hospital admitted 54 patients all others have admitted nobody and are shutting

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    I place the Nightingale hospitals firmly in the 'Better to have and not need than to need and not have' camp. I hope they remain unpopulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooshabak View Post
    Read the news the info is out there, one hospital admitted 54 patients all others have admitted nobody and are shutting
    Read the news, or speak face to face with someone who actually works there? You're pulling my leg, surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Read the news, or speak face to face with someone who actually works there? You're pulling my leg, surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I place the Nightingale hospitals firmly in the 'Better to have and not need than to need and not have' camp. I hope they remain unpopulated.

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    This ^. Cant believe people are whining because they are not being used.

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    Furthermore, while nice to have and nice not to have needed them (much), it was only half of the equation as there was no personnel to work them, so whichever hospital sent patients to a nightingale also had to supply the team(s) to care for him.
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    The number of deaths is a tragedy in all countries but the reporting from different countries is undoubtedly very different, the French total figures have actually gone down on some days.
    There is an awful lot nobody knows and which will only become clear in maybe 18 months 2 years.
    This isnít necessarily accurate either as it is based on the same reported figures but gives a clearer overall picture

    Deaths per million of population

    Belgium 692
    Spain 548
    Italy 485
    UK 433
    France 391

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggertech View Post
    This ^. Cant believe people are whining because they are not being used.

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    One the one hand the government is criticised for not preparing, and also being criticised for being prepared! Can you imagine the outcry (probably from the same people) if they had spent billions preparing for a pandemic that might not have happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    One the one hand the government is criticised for not preparing, and also being criticised for being prepared! Can you imagine the outcry (probably from the same people) if they had spent billions preparing for a pandemic that might not have happened?
    You may not have noticed but those criticising for one are not the same as those criticising for the other. One thing is certain, as you implied, is that they would be criticised in both cases. The difference between the 2 options is the number of deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    wow,just went to the petrol station its like London rush hour on the roads.
    Iíve been doing 420 miles a day 5 or 6 days a week since the lockdown started. Initially it was dead now itís like a Normal Sunday on the motorways which has surprised us all. Weíre doing the same runs as before lockdown and still running at 40tons but have saved about 12% on our fuel costs due to not being held up in traffic.

    Last Thursday I went from Darlington all the way to the A508/A5 Roundabout going into Milton Keynes without even stopping the wheels turning, so 200 miles continuous movement through traffic lights and roundabouts which I doubt Iíll ever manage again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    One the one hand the government is criticised for not preparing, and also being criticised for being prepared! Can you imagine the outcry (probably from the same people) if they had spent billions preparing for a pandemic that might not have happened?
    Thing is a pandemic was pretty well flagged, for a couple of years now as one of the major national emergencies we needed to prepare for. The population growth globally and the pressure that puts on food supply meant that it was only a matter of time that a virus would emerge, take into account air travel and how connected we are globally and the risks and challenges are obvious, hell we've witnessed SARS and Ebola, in fact the UK played a lead role certainly in the Ebola crisis management and response. WE keep hearing how this was unprecedented, that's not entirely accurate nor was it unpredictable. I suspect it was deemed not as 'sexy' and as easy to look 'tough' upon as say domestic terrorism, to cite just one issue that may've been a distraction.

    Some details on UK's involvement with Ebola,

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6297657/

    Given the extra time we had by a couple of weeks over Italy and Spain and given our considerable background of leading on the handling of Ebola, and slightly different social and cultural mores to the Mediterraneans, whereby the UK would generally offer the virus fewer opportunities for transmission, given these factors, I'm scratching my head to explain how the UK fluffed it so badly at least on the Governmental and planning fronts, they've been reactive not proactive throughout, always behind the curve...The individuals in the NHS and Care sectors, and everyone else involved at the 'frontlines' have been nothing less than heroic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Thing is a pandemic was pretty well flagged, for a couple of years now as one of the major national emergencies we needed to prepare for. The population growth globally and the pressure that puts on food supply meant that it was only a matter of time that a virus would emerge, take into account air travel and how connected we are globally and the risks and challenges are obvious, hell we've witnessed SARS and Ebola, in fact the UK played a lead role certainly in the Ebola crisis management and response. WE keep hearing how this was unprecedented, that's not entirely accurate nor was it unpredictable.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6297657/
    How well prepared were other countries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You may not have noticed but those criticising for one are not the same as those criticising for the other. One thing is certain, as you implied, is that they would be criticised in both cases. The difference between the 2 options is the number of deaths.
    I don't think that's entirely the case, some of those shouting the loudest are not particularly surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    How well prepared were other countries?
    Good question, worth a look at South Korea, Germany, New Zealand, Denmark, Czech Republic and you can see how a combination of preparedness AND perhaps as importantly Governments taking swift and informed decisions, along with coherent and clear communication to their citizens, made for better outcomes. Heck NZ appear to have 'banished' the lurgy completely.

    Probably none of them with the exception, I think of SK, had the depth of recent experience and knowledge of epidemics such as we had gleaned from playing a lead role in the response to Ebola, which I find interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    One the one hand the government is criticised for not preparing, and also being criticised for being prepared! Can you imagine the outcry (probably from the same people) if they had spent billions preparing for a pandemic that might not have happened?
    I certainly can!

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    Given the extra time we had by a couple of weeks over Italy and Spain and given our considerable background of leading on the handling of Ebola, and slightly different social and cultural mores to the Mediterraneans, whereby the UK would generally offer the virus fewer opportunities for transmission, given these factors, I'm scratching my head to explain how the UK fluffed it so badly at least on the Governmental and planning fronts, they've been reactive not proactive throughout, always behind the curve...The individuals in the NHS and Care sectors, and everyone else involved at the 'frontlines' have been nothing less than heroic.
    UK offer the virus fewer opportunities for transmission? Second largest population in Western Europe in the smallest
    area of the larger countries i.e. Germany, Spain, Italy, France. 5 million tube journeys in London every day, about 3 million people commuting to work via train in the U.K. and 3rd highest number of air passengers in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBKBABAB View Post
    UK offer the virus fewer opportunities for transmission? Second largest population in Western Europe in the smallest
    area of the larger countries i.e. Germany, Spain, Italy, France. 5 million tube journeys in London every day, about 3 million people commuting to work via train in the U.K. and 3rd highest number of air passengers in the world.
    Or in summary, London.

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    Also London has the busiest airport system in the world.

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    Also London one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, meaning visitors and returnees from a wider variety of countries than many cities see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbh View Post
    Also London has the busiest airport system in the world.
    "had" may be closer to the truth. But a swift action from a country controlling its borders would have remedied to that. See NZ or Israel, to name but two. The situation is actually so bad that it's not even worth checking passengers arriving in this country anymore, as it would make no measurable difference (if I understood correctly).
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjc1216 View Post
    Yes but unlike Neil Ferguson he probably sticks to the lockdown rules.
    And perhaps can write reliable code...

    https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-re...rgusons-model/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrudd View Post
    Or in summary, London.
    Nope not just London because you have people travelling into London from all directions plus people travelling in and out
    of Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc to work and air travel is for the whole country with all regional airports having expanded, there were 40 million holiday flights in 2018 a lot of which were from regional airports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Good question, worth a look at South Korea, Germany, New Zealand, Denmark, Czech Republic and you can see how a combination of preparedness AND perhaps as importantly Governments taking swift and informed decisions, along with coherent and clear communication to their citizens, made for better outcomes. Heck NZ appear to have 'banished' the lurgy completely.

    Probably none of them with the exception, I think of SK, had the depth of recent experience and knowledge of epidemics such as we had gleaned from playing a lead role in the response to Ebola, which I find interesting.
    Genuinely interested in your comments, can you give any examples of "swift and informed decisions" taken by other countries and how they differed from here.

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