As a rider and a driver you must be used to being told that you’re going too fast or too slow, and you know it doesn’t matter and you must use your own judgment as the buck stops with you.
But Cygnus told them there was black ice; it even highlighted the turns where it was treacherous.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
The ROI plan seems fairly sensible to me, and critically, people have a fairly good idea about where they stand.
Nobody likes uncertainty, and to my mind not announcing the plan until Sunday in the vain hope it keeps everyone in doors on a warm bank holiday weekend is just plain patronising. People are able to take bad news, just give us it on the chin.
Maybe so, and perhaps without the distraction of trying to carry out the will of the people, against the will of a few hundred MPs trying to prevent it, who knows what might have been, and where attention might have been focused.Originally Posted by Saint-Just
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Except if you saw all the other cars crashing on the ice and instead of ordering some snow tyres simpky drove straight onto the ice then you might expect some of the surviving passengers to ask why the previous crashed cars weren't a warning.
This surely cannot be true
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52594023
If so why the hell not do it 2 months ago like the rest of the world? Doing it now when the rest of the world is coming out of lockdown will crash the economy, won't prevent infections and basically bans the working man from having a holiday. I see only Ireland is exempt. Looks like everyone will be be flying back from Thailand via Dublin then.....
I’ve seen horses being ridden every day since this started, the lack of vehicles on the roads has been a godsend for them.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Apparently none of the others crashed.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
That is disingenuous. I haven’t seen any comments suggesting Italy, for example, did not crash. Quite the opposite, really.Apparently none of the others crashed.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
I like your phrasing, 'bans the working man from having a holiday'...how many folks at the present time would really want to risk getting on a plane for a week or fortnights jolly anyway, never mind that they can't afford it now...better late than never but should have taken place in March.
And thing's are going swimmingly aren't they?Maybe so, and perhaps without the distraction of trying to carry out the will of the people, against the will of a few hundred MPs trying to prevent it, who knows what might have been, and where attention might have been focused.
Anyhow this is the G&D, so how about leaving political comments out.
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"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
I don’t like swearing in public either but it’s difficult to avoid these days wherever you go and also on TV, and would be more worried about people flouting rules intended to stop the spread of a deadly virus.
Well the mind boggles. The local minor league football squad are all out training this morning all close together. Oh well what should I expect there All invincible.
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How about you tell a few others, and yourself.
As usual political comments are allowed if they agree with your views.
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Another situation requiring ‘dob them in’. It’s no good complaining about it and doing nothing, if you saw someone breaking into a house would you do nothing?Well the mind boggles
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And yes I have done this and the police acted on it.
Another classic BBC piece of poor reporting, headline ‘14 day quarantine for air passengers’ whole thing is about air travel and then the last line:
‘BBC News understands that key workers such as lorry drivers who transport goods and people working in the shipping industry would be exempt’
So if you are a lorry driver and fly into the U.K. it doesn’t apply, although maybe you have to take you’re lorry
as hand baggage.
Chuckle, unfortunately the wrong venue to unpick that one OOK but suffice to say I like how you've elevated the 'B' word in your mind to a universal 'Get out of jail free card' to excuse and absolve any administrative neglect and incompetence, bravo mate, you're a true believer.Maybe so, and perhaps without the distraction of trying to carry out the will of the people, against the will of a few hundred MPs trying to prevent it, who knows what might have been, and where attention might have been focused.
Well the mind boggles
Sent from my iPhone using TZ-UK mobile appI agree that you should report incidents like this. I reported one and the police were quick to act, with a group using a skateboard ramp in the park.
The more these incidents happen the more it encourages, and makes a mockery of everyone else obeying the rules.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Take it how you wish but it wasted 4 years for nothing.Chuckle, unfortunately the wrong venue to unpick that one OOK but suffice to say I like how you've elevated the 'B' word in your mind to a universal 'Get out of jail free card' to excuse and absolve any administrative neglect and incompetence, bravo mate, you're a true believer.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I just read the original post again and wondered if it was actually a bit of a dig at a certain team from north London.
Do you think?!
Hopefully in your haste you didn’t call the police yet...
No but told Spurs.
G&D - no politics or religion.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
As soon as airports are open properly again I'm off to Thailand for a holiday. I think most people would be fine to get on a plane with precautions such as face masks etc. I'm not hearing anecdotal stories of cabin crew coming down with Covid en masse so I suspect the HEPA filtration on board is working
Sorry.
Try to leave your agenda at the door please.
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"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
That’s because there are hardly any flights and hardly any passengers on those (unless it’s Aer Lingus)
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HEPA is not a defence against Covid.
As for your travel plans. Good for you. You have clearly considered all the risks for you, your family and all your other passengers (who I suppose have also come to the same conclusion as you regarding the risks).
My only concern will be the 14 days self isolation on your return. Assuming of course this will still be in place. And you have got adequate health insurance Justin case.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ironic given your posts.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Lovely weather outside, no point in arguing - have a good weekend.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
On the BBC news talk of people being allowed out for as long they like for ‘exercise’.
Parks will be full if the suns out so lockdown will be pointless.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Me too mate, straight to Mexico with the family for 2 weeks
Until there's a proven tested vaccine, that the whole family has had administered we're going nowhere.
Enjoy your trips.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
If people do go abroad they shouldn’t expect our Government to repatriate them if things kick off again in those countries.
!00% agree.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
I suspect once lock down is lifted HR will kill most business travel anyway.
Once a risk assessment has been carried out why would they allow a supplier or customer to potentially affect the whole office when work can be carried out by conference call ?
I can see the rationale of going with the family to a villa so feel reasonably safe once get there although I would expect some reassurance be expected upon your return before friends happy to see you so maybe the 2 weeks WFH afterwards won't be so onerous ?
Also I suspect large corporates will ban travel just as they did in the US way before any restrictions from govt were being mooted.
Damn straight. I love my holidays abroad but I won’t be going until we know this is definitely over.
Unless every one is 2mtr apart
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For the last few years ( five actually) I've been focused on the business, at the end of 2019 knowing that I needed a break, March / April I'd planned on a cheap 10 days somewhere hot, lay on a beach, swim, dive, snorkel and drink beer, (not all at the same time), just me recharging my batteries so to speak, so yes I'm definitely ready - but, until there's progress with Cov-19, until there's some certainty the family plays by the safest options - zero risks.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Like that will happen. People are already ignoring the rules, any relaxation will open the floodgates for them to ignore any rules.
People seem to have different attitudes to distancing. When I return from taking the dog out once a day, I have to walk about a hundred yards along the road at the side of the village playing field to the poo bin. Yesterday there was a group of 4 people just inside the playing field entrance. As I approached, one of them, a man probably in his 60s came out of the entrance and started to walk towards me on the narrow path. I crossed over to allow him to pass with plenty of room and save him having to do the same. At which point he pointed at me and shouted to his friends "see...., I must have the lurgy!".
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Can't see the point of going somewhere to simply stay in a villa with the family. Might as well be at home with them. Unless you intend going to restaurants, beaches, bars, entertainment, public places etc. In which case it's not 'reasonably safe'.
We've cancelled all our holidays this year and probably won't be going anywhere next year, unless we can guarantee it's safe. Lost a fair amount of money but it was spent anyway so it doesn't matter. I'd rather try to stay alive than risk it.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
What does the change in Wales mean you can go out to exercise more than once a day starting and finishing at home? Can you go out 20 times or go out for 8 hours i.e basically be out all day.
I hope if there are changes to this in England it’s a bit more specific i.e. something like twice for maximum of 1 hour each, seems people need to be told something more specific or they will just do what they want.
Well it’s been working here very well. We are a couple of weeks into unrestricted exercise, and non-essential travel, but locked borders (anyone entering has been required to self isolate for 14 days since March - but currently in a selected hotel with full security that you have to pay for but in a couple of weeks you’ll be allowed to self isolate at home if you return. We do have a currently restricted 40mph speed limit to reduce the risk of RTA’s.
Virtually everyone is sticking to the rules, and we have had a reduction in cases per day with some days zero new cases reported.
Walking or sitting in a park or other open air space is not going to increase your risk considerably. If you’re worried, stay the F away from any supermarket would be my number one safety measure, and yet everyone seems to think that fine, but seeing someone take 10 mins to lie in the sun in the UK is an excuse to call the police and ask them to sort out the offender!
So we can be out all day if you like. Social distancing is enforced, but likely you will be able to visit a friend’s garden from next week, under the 2 meter rules, and only a max of 2 people from the visiting household.
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It's just a matter of time...
I’ve picked up a variety of cold bugs having flown back from various places in stuffy cabins where the air is recirculated. The chances of me flying whilst this bug is about are close to zero as I’m not a turkey voting for xmas. Airlines use recycled air to save fuel and will continue to do so. Social distancing on planes is a waste of time other than to give the illusion of some safety.
Those happy to hop on a plane as soon as feasible are welcome and the best of luck.
Unless I’m misunderstanding you, why do you make a special journey to the poo bin? Stick it in your own bin at home, then you don’t have to run the risk of bumping into people at the playing field entrance.
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Another cracking BBC effort letting anyone say what they like:
The shadow foreign secretary has sharply criticised the government's advice for those returning to the UK.
Talking about the 14-day quarantine for people flying into the UK, Lisa Nandy called for clarity.
"The big problem is actually getting that advice to people in the first place and it's been far too slow and far too confusing for most people," she told BBC Breakfast.
"For weeks we've had mixed messages being briefed out of government."
She said her office was in touch with about 3,000 British nationals who are still stranded abroad.
And those who have returned to the UK have not been given guidance on what they should be doing when they get home, she said.
Has she not heard of the Internet, if you look on Gov.uk it’s all there in black and white in plain English.
Anyone willing to get on a plane for holiday; how will you get travel insurance?
Will anyone give insurance against the costs of a severe COVID 19 attack whilst on holiday?
Is there a lockdown in uk? People visiting parks, beaches in masses .All fam members including kids visiting asda, morrisons etc .
My local park has always been flooded with teenagers hanging about as if nothing is wrong.
Certain areas no social distancing at all and no checks from police . Bbq parties and even indoor parties are being held .
It feels more like paid holiday instead of lockdown
What happens when you come back and are required to self isolate. How will your employer or kids school or wife's employer react to that?
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