Reply With QuoteThe only other dial colour available is green and you’re not likely to get one of those so black is probably your only choice.
Is now the time to buy from a A D Thinking of a once in a lifetime buy. Investment for my son down the line. Would plain black be the choice or would I be better asking for a different colour of dial. Don’t want two tone ie gold and steel
Please help me make up my mind.
The only other dial colour available is green and you’re not likely to get one of those so black is probably your only choice.
You can't get a different colour of dial on the steel, unless you purchase the LV which also has a green bezel.
Only other option for the sub is blue dial in a gold/TT case.
What’s better with or without date
What's your preference?Originally Posted by Sid1ni
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I have a datejust already and love it to bits. Got a leather strap for it and I believe it killed it so the jubilee was quickly returned to its rightful place on the piece. Dates can be a pain if you let run out of reserve my DJ is vintage so no quick set
Don’t know why, perhaps it’s the balance of the dial, but I actually quite like look of the no-date. Otherwise, I just don’t like the 6 digit subs with their 80s shoulder pad lugs.
Also, it’s not an investment. Does your son even like watches? Also, that ref sub with that movement can’t be long for this world. Would you consider buying some undervalued stocks?
Depends if you want to pay another £850 for a date display that's wrong every other month.
When you say "NOW" I assume you mean 2022?
Non date for me , had mine 20 years never once thought I’d made a mistake buying it.
Non date for me, i find the dial better balanced.
I'm in the minority in actually liking the 6 digit Rolexs. Although they have announced a delay to new models you'd have to assume the lugs would be thinned and the movement upgraded with next years releases (if things recover somewhat).
I'd personally wait and see what the new design is like. There are a lot of 6 digits about and if the new design is a return to slimmer lugs will surely be popular, potentially leading to a slight dip in value of 6 digits (over and above what is happening now).
Oh, and never buy for investment or someone else. Buy for enjoyment and then if it does goes up you've won twice - if it drops, you've at least had your enjoyment.
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My sons only 2 1/2 so I hope he will enjoy the quality of a fine time piece in years to come. My apologies when I said investment. I meant heirloom
Am I suffering from an optical illusion or do those lugs look like a mash up of the expected thinner next generation?
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Don't think you can go wrong with a black no-date sub
No date
Optical illusion it’s current model.
At that price if new the bargain of the century
Is now the time to buy from a A D Thinking of a once in a lifetime buy. Investment for my son down the line. Would plain black be the choice or would I be better asking for a different colour of dial. Don’t want two tone ie gold and steel
Please help me make up my mind.
No date version is perhaps easier to get hold of. If you can get a waiting list, then you should be able to pick one fairly quicker once retailers can reopen. The date version is more difficult to get hold presently. As others have already said, it is was possible that it would have been replaced with a newer version this year, but they will not occur until at least 2021.
That is the price for a new non date sub in the U.K. from a Rolex ad.
So, not the bargain of the century, just the retail price.
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Ben
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Get his name on 'the list'.
He'll thank you for it one day in his mid-thirties when he gets 'the call'.
No right or wrong answer. Get what you prefer, not what you think he might. When you eventually give it to him in 15-20 years he won't care either way.
Imagine going back to Angelina Jolie's and she's wearing the ivory lingerie and not the black set. Wouldn't care less.
Wait till the stores re-open or order from WoS online and pick-up when able. The non-date is easier to pick up.
Nice treat for your son. Treat as an expensive present though. If you want to give him an investment put the £6,300 in an investment fund and in 20y he will thank you (perhaps).
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I'm not a fan of either of the ceramic Submariners but I'd get the date. For the older models without questiion the no date. Which I did.
Same thing in some eyes...
So true!
Your son sounds like the Man-math excuse to get yourself a sub. Nothing wrong with that: you'll enjoy it for the next 20 years, and if he is into those trinkets in 20 years it will make a nice birthday present; if not, you'll keep on wearing it.
Alternatively, as said above, invest this amount in a fund. maybe it will contribute to the deposit on his house.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
If the very recent history is anything to go by I think they may well be relatively easy to get hold of at list price
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This.
Just buy yourself a watch and wear it, no excuse needed.
Likely he won’t care if it’s a Rolex or a Timex. If you wear and love it for years, then hand it down to him once it fits him, it’ will mean more than any branding on the dial.
(This happened to me. It’ is the Pulp Fiction-esque only thing I’ would run back into a burning building for. Was fascinated as a kid by his watch. He promised once it went on my wrist and did not slip back over my hand with the bracelet closed, it was mine. It’s a battered old Seiko 5 from 1969/70, and worth about £100.)
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Do you mean dealers ringing customers on waiting lists?
With regards to colour options, if you're looking for a Submariner (no date) per your first post, then in the words of Henry Ford you can have any colour you like as long as its black.
Seriously though, if this is a one-watch for life kind of thing then black is the safer option. The green (date) may be highly desirable now but on a few years ago it wasn't - fashion is fickle
Despite having a (date) GMT2, I'd go for the non-date model. In fact, I'd love a non-date Sub!
If you think that getting stainless models at retail will be easy then you my friend will be disappointed.Your lad will probably of age by the time he’s top of the list.
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Well i think I with the economy heading in the direction it is, it will certainly be easier than the past two years. The waiting list has been smaller for the non date and I had been quoted a six month wait for one.
When I said relatively easy I meant as long as you prepared for a bit of time still.
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As long as dealers will pay more than retail I think there will always be a lengthy wait.
Out of curiosity who and where is th AD?
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The submariner 114060 is superb
I think its more likely your son will will have no interest in watches im afraid. If you really are looking for something to pass on to him i would put the 6.5k into a bond and let him choose what he wants to do with it when it matures. My guess is a watch will be the last thing on his list.
Sorry to be so negative OP but i think its a bad idea.
Not negative at all. I think that’s the best reason we have forums. To share an opinion so most people can make sense or get a little wiser on a topic. The money market at the moment is not saver friendly and with recession looking very likely. I thought I might get a better deal on a new piece
Watches of Switzerland have been offering them out to several people on their list. I was one of them but chose not to go ahead with the purchase for the time being
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It’s a lovely looking watch. I must be well out of touch with the RRP these days though! That price shocked me.
Agreed the RRP has defiantly shot up over the past could of years.
If you were on the list then you presumably wanted one? Therefore what was your reason for refusing? Not comfortable with the process perhaps, or just bad timing?
i chose against it as:
I didn't even realise i was on the list for it.
i don't have £6,300 spare at the moment - i would have had to sell a watch or two or CC it.
The watches that i have got and i am ready to sell have seen their prices fall (Chronext would only offer £4.3k for my air king, not £4.7k previously.
My tudor GMT is with beaverbrooks being repaired, so if i did want to sell it, who knows when i will get it back!
I would rather wait for GMT Master 2 and have my credit card safe for that.
So they were my reasons. It is fair to say that i was still very tempted by it though.
Fair enough, it’s only a watch at the end of the day. Not worth a load of hassle and there’ll be another time I’m sure. Funnily enough I was in a position to proceed so looking forward to picking it up, whenever that may be....
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Didn’t even realise you were on a list? Wow! Just wow.!
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1) I've got a few watches.
2) I want to buy a Rolex for 18 or so years in the future.
3) Should I buy a date or non date?
4) Which will have a higher value in 18 years?
5) Will my child be interested in watches by then?
7) Am I buying it for him or me?
8) Am I on "the list"?
9) Will prices come down?
10 When will prices go up?
11) What socks should I wear?
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It must have been a while ago..... i completely forgot about it !Didn’t even realise you were on a list? Wow! Just wow.!
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I have the new non date sub and love it. Bought it as a retirement gift for myself last year. Told the AD a year in advance my retirement date. Retired in the June, got it August, not bad me thinks.
That’s a sign of the times now.
Before social media etc people had to make their own minds up, I wonder how many would cope now.
Buying an expensive watch to save for a child when they reach 18 strikes me as a bad idea for several reasons. Investing the money for the child makes far more sense, most 18 year olds need money far more than they need a watch. Both of my stepkids had money invested by their grandad, who was still alive when they reached 21. The investments were signed over to them and in each case provided a deposit for a house. Stepson has subsequently bought himself a nice watch when he was able to afford it.
There’s also an element of trying to impart your own interests and hobbies on the child, far better to allow them to develop their own interests, if that includes watches that’s fine but there’s a good chance it won’t work that way. I didn’t get interested till early 30s and I had no interest at all at age 18.
There’s more sense in buying the watch for yourself, enjoy wearing it, then give it to the child at some point in the future, but even that’s flawed; how many 18-21 year olds walk around wearing a Rolex? It’s hardly a good fit with the lifestyle of many youngsters. Passing the watch on in later life works better.
Each to their own, I wouldn’t do it, but I’d buy the watch to wear myself if it appealed to my taste.
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