Hi all,
I have been looking for a nice vintage Rolex for a while and have just been offered this 5513 from 1970.
Having not had one before, is there anything that I should look out for?
Even though I own a MKV 5513 I am not experienced enough to offer much advice on this version, but I would just say that the top crown guard looks very mis-shaped perhaps from over polishing compared to the lower guard? Could of course just be the angle of the watch / photo though?
There will be others along shortly who can offer much better guidance than I.
It is a cracking looking watch, however I’ve never owned that version.
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Helpful. I imagine the OP was looking for a tad more intelligence.Originally Posted by doing_time999
This maybe helpful its only 5 mins
https://youtu.be/Hr-lZQbgjGk
Steve
Thanks Steve.
Lovely matched dial and hands, bezel insert is superb and I like the crystal, though not sure if it's a mid dome or a superdome from those photos. Check the bracelet and end links numbers and also check the code on the clasp. I'm guessing that is a much later service replacement bracelet as the original would have been a folded link type, which is fine and certainly isn't a red flag.
On those two images it looks a belter. Box, papers, service history and price?
Thanks Ken. Unfortunately no box or papers etc but guaranteed for 12 months.
Be interested to hear what you feel on value.
The value of vintage is usually a sum of the parts and with a great dial, hands, insert and crystal I would say it's a very desirable watch. I'm not totally up on 5513 pricing, but if recent examples with service replacement dials, hands and insert are anything to go buy I'm guessing there wouldn't be any change out of £10k to £12k.
There will be someone along soon to tell us they remember when you could buy these 17 and 6 pence ha'penny and still have change for a bag of chips on the way home.
Last edited by Wallasey Runner; 23rd April 2020 at 19:23.
I think 10-12k would have been spot on 2 months ago but I’ve seen a softening since recent events.
I wouldn’t want to pay more than 10 from a dealer at the moment.
It’s a lovely watch but it’s not a once in a blue moon full set minter so I think you’ve got plenty of options.
In all honesty that was finger in the air time. I haven't studied the 5513 prices of late, but I do think any temporary blip on this kind of watch will correct itself in time - just my opinion of course and I might be horribly wrong.
I think 10-12k would have been spot on 2 months ago but I’ve seen a softening since recent events.
I wouldn’t want to pay more than 10 from a dealer at the moment.
It’s a lovely watch but it’s not a once in a blue moon full set minter so I think you’ve got plenty of options.
Certainly a buyers market at present.
Thanks mate. Definitely uneven. Wasn’t sure if that would be such a big issue in a 50 year old watch?
Last edited by Gavbaz; 23rd April 2020 at 20:01.
A concern for me would be it's usually the right hand side (crown) lugs slightly thinner due to making the watch look more balanced,handfinished at the time from recollection.
The top left lug being even thinner would make my OCD go haywire.
All depends on the deal youve been offered and if your going to wear rather than look at.
By no means an expert but did spend an age getting a pair of 5513 (1972 & 1967).
Photos are one thing but can't beat looking n holding with a loop
Agree is looks great but I deft wouldn't but anything without a f2f which I assume you can't currently
Case, dial n bezel are key. Oh n Def take a loop too !
Btw - what is this up for price wise ?
Apologies. Mis read. The lugs look fine.
The only over polished area I can see is the top crown guard.
Looks like a decent example and well worth a look in the flesh, nice dial and hands, insert is a cracker. I would say it was a £12k watch prior to the lockdown but it’s now definitely a buyers market, if you view it and like it haggle and haggle again.
Compare the bottom left to the top left lug Gav. Definitely uneven and with the crown guard, it would do my head in personally. But I’ve told you that already lol
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I think we are entering unknown territory Tony so I would rather err on the side of caution, I agree top quality 5513s will always have buyers fighting over them but due to their age the vast majority don’t fall into that category, the one the OP is considering is a nice watch without being top quality so I doubt it will attract the interest of serious collectors. Prior to the lockdown it would possibly have attracted more interest but I think people are now holding on to their money.
Looks pretty good to me.
Had a few polishes but not many haven't and price will reflect that but still a decent case on that.
Hard to tell on the crown guards as might just be the angle and they look more even from underneath.
Lovely insert.
All down to price and if indeed the guards are okay.
If they are then down to price.
Buy the best example you can afford though and there are seldom bargains for good examples.
Compromising never works out well for me.
Well I had the chance to view today, safely of course.
However. I also looked over a 1680 he had too.
Wish I hadn’’t! Couldn’’t make up my mind.
Last edited by Gavbaz; 24th April 2020 at 12:01.
Bloody hell, you need to buy both
Straight Sub for me (or, if you’re not too fussed about keeping it strictly correct & original, get the Sub date and swap the plexi for a non-cyclops version). Never been able to get on board with the looks of the cyclops.
Plots look nicer on 1680, what are the prices?
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I think my pecking order and I think prices tend to confirm this -
5513 Gilt
1680 Red
5513 White
1680 White.
Depends on personal preference but it would be the 5513 if it was my money.
£10k
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1680 for me. Hands down
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Looks like a non serif from c1970 so serial number should be 2 to 2.5 mil. You might like to check this as an incorrect case no. will affect value. Also does it need a service? As others have said case is a little 'soft'.
Don’t know why but I don’t like cyclops in modern ones but like iron the 1680 as it’s the archetypal Rolex.
I’ve seen people put a superdome on a white 1680 and it’s so like a Greatwhite but a lot less money.
Out those 2 I’d be going 5513 though
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1680 looks nice and really fat case
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1680 all day long. 5513 is second best.
I have a 1680 red sub n the two 5513
For me, it's the 5513 all day long but what do you think ?
I much prefer the cleaner look without cyclops or date
Both of them are lovely, but I'd be going for the 1680.
That 1680 has a service dial so price should be nowhere near 10k.
Lovely looking watch and a great case so I would definitely still be interested if you can get it for the right price
I used this guide when I was looking for a 5513 and 1680. Best resource I found on the internet http://www.5513mattedial.com/About.html
From the photo the 1680 has a service dial as the 6's are opened, not closed. The original MK1, 2, 3 dials all have closed 6's. The service dial is genuine and looks like the Type C service dial.
Last edited by Fishman; 25th April 2020 at 13:01.
The 1680 is way more collectible but the 5513 must rank as the sexiest Rolex ever so hard decision.
Probably best to get the serial number of the case then as it may have originally been a red sub .
Still a nice watch though and good spot by Oliver D
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Sorry to hijack this thread but I popped into my local watch shop today and was rather taken with a nice 1680. No box or papers and it was difficult to find out the full back story with my rather limited Chinese but I was told it was from 1978.
What’s the thoughts from the experts on here? Is it worth a further look or best to avoid? He’s asking 88,000 RMB which is about £10k
Here are his pics and some of my terrible ones from in the store with my phone
Any advice welcome
@beijingwatchaddict
back to the 5513 - to me the dial looks like a 68/69 not a 70 (what was the serial again?)
the 1680 looks like a service dial and perhaps was a red sub if the serials match the range....
and for the sake of commenting the last chinese 1680 looks a bit suspect, something about the case isn't right... not sure what but just doesnt seem right to me but perhaps its the camera angles...(edit: its patina doesn't match the rest of the watch the edges are too sharp etc... and i mean the back not the edges that get done in service)
Last edited by Xantiagib; 29th April 2020 at 13:41.
Looks ok to me but it’s hard with photos sometimes. Check the case for serial and we can match it up to the 1978 claim. Bezel insert and dial looks right for the period.Sorry to hijack this thread but I popped into my local watch shop today and was rather taken with a nice 1680. No box or papers and it was difficult to find out the full back story with my rather limited Chinese but I was told it was from 1978.
What’s the thoughts from the experts on here? Is it worth a further look or best to avoid? He’s asking 88,000 RMB which is about £10k
Here are his pics and some of my terrible ones from in the store with my phone
Any advice welcome
@beijingwatchaddict
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Am I the only one to question the insert on the 5513??
Pitch
Case has definitely had work judging by those pics. Tbh I’d try my best to get hands on with any vintage watch if at all possible.
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It does look a bit blue. I wasn’t sure if it was just the lighting but it could be a Tudor insert. I think I’d have to see it in person.
Pip has definitely been replaced.
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