Reply With QuoteAgree with that.Originally Posted by kultschar
Those are vying for top position with the Hulk in loudness.
Still loud and a bit "Swiss Tony" is the Blue/Gold sub but for whatever reason I like them.
I think the evolutions of the Rolex movements is well proven to be very robust re. the resistance to shock and durability, there are very little horror stories on them which does exist even for modern omega sport watches, look up 2500a b and c that were present in early planet oceans and also the fragility of F Piguet 1185 movements which has been used in a host of higher end brands such as AP Royal Oak chronographs...
Agree with that.
Those are vying for top position with the Hulk in loudness.
Still loud and a bit "Swiss Tony" is the Blue/Gold sub but for whatever reason I like them.
Hmmm. I think, say a Seiko Monster, would sail through anything a Rolex could. But the wider point is that a large enough shock will break any mechanical watch, and these tales of robustness for Rolex are marketing-driven. People seem to be desperate to argue that they aren't just fancy jewellery.
I would also put my money on a Seiko monster over a patek nautilus at the dizzy heights of 4ft!
And aren’t all watches aside from simple digital watches a bit of man bling to a certain degree? Maybe one in a thousand that wear a dive watch actually dives, so aren’t we all a bit Walter Mitty?
Last edited by ac11111; 16th April 2020 at 13:10.
Isn't the point of this thread just to pluck a random 'investment grade' watch and track prices over time? Doesn't really matter if we all think it's a great watch or not.
I'd say that the Hulk is a really good benchmark to choose, because it feels like the ratio of people buying for investment purposes rather than to wear is slightly higher for the Hulk than average based on:
1) Constant rumours of it being discontinued
2) It being green
Also the RRP is probably at the lower end of the investment watches, compared to say a Daytona or a Nautilus.
Patek Nautiluses are no more or less fragile than a Rolex or Seiko. Agreed on your second point.
The poster above this has nailed the point of the thread. I'll check back in a month and see what's happened to new/unworn Hulk prices on C24.
I never understood the love for a green sub.
Agree to disagree, Rolex sub is a lot more robust vs nautilus
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This watch like many others divides opinions.
OTT criticism seen from some here is just disingenuous. All of us don’t need to like the same watches nor should a person comfortable in his own skin feel the need to indulge in this kind of snide, rude or dismissive criticism.
I agree with the sentiment that it does not have the same toolish looks as a 5 digit sub and can be probably with some justification be considered a little blingy- ceramic bezel, bright sunburst dial and polished surfaces on the case.
Before I handled one, I had my reservations but am now on my second one and really enjoy it. It is every bit as robust as the black sub. If someone wants to tone it down, a Rubber B with green accents might be the way to go. Or a green checkerboard strap made by @rolexstraps on IG. Still bright but less bling. I have no desire for my watch to scream that it is a Rolex. At the same time am not really looking to fly under the radar. I enjoy wearing what brings me pleasure without being overly concerned about these things. In the short term prices are certainly going to come down for those who obsess over these.
If it gets discontinued in near future, there will certainly be a resurgence. Not that it makes an iota of difference to the wearing experience.
Last edited by RAJEN; 16th April 2020 at 15:18.
I think there's a lot to be said for not living to please other people.
Personally, I love mine and ive had it for a while.
I traded it for a Pepsi when they were both around 7k which wasn't eye watering and I intend to keep it.
Keeper for me also.
Beautiful pic👍Keeper for me also.
This is an internet trope, I've never seen any evidence to back it up.
P.S. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=374953
Anyway, this has drifted way OT.
Last edited by Holsterman; 16th April 2020 at 16:00.
The sub was used by professional divers and the military, the nautilus is designed by patek to rival Royal Oak in the new high luxury steel sports segment.
I’m baffled...but as i said let’s agree to disagree.
So what? The fragile part that will kill any mechanical watch stone dead, if it's subjected to a hard enough knock, is the balance shaft. Rolex balance shafts are as fragile (or robust if you prefer) as any other.
Our service department ratio for AP PP and Rolex is approximately 20,10,5. Rolex "tractor movements" are basic but theres less to go awry with them. (words of watchmaker)
It will be interesting to see how the price of these go over the next six months. It could be a barometer for the market. It doesn’t affect me though as mine ain’t going anywhere. (I’m on my second after selling my first to WF for £5,750 back in August 2016 - a lesson there somewhere. The one I bought now was for quite a bit more than that I can say.
Any figure for VC comparison? Only asking as I now have a vested interest. Thanks.
I am not sure why Rolex is being compared to PP / AP / VC maybe compare to Omega - oh it has already been said above. (grabbing my flame resistant coat on the way out...)
Martyn
Last edited by MartynJC (UK); 16th April 2020 at 16:28.
I keep forgetting that you are in the business these days...
Simon
That was the intent, and the Hulk was chosen by me almost at random. It wasn't supposed to be a Rolex v PP thread at all. I happen to have watches from both brands, and all of them have been equally reliable over many years (touching wood).
Nice picture! I cracked the bezel pip on mine, I’m excited to get that repaired when we are out of lock down.It will be interesting to see how the price of these go over the next six months. It could be a barometer for the market. It doesn’t affect me though as mine ain’t going anywhere. (I’m on my second after selling my first to WF for £5,750 back in August 2016 - a lesson there somewhere. The one I bought now was for quite a bit more than that I can say.
Im not sure either tbh but it seems comparing apples to oranges is an enjoyable pastime for some.
One VC had a service, an older model overseas but they don't come in not working from what ive seen. Lovely finish on them.
Let’s be clear, so you believe the sub which has been used by professional divers and the military is unlikely to be more sturdy than a nautilus?...Makes me question why you started this thread...
Last edited by ac11111; 16th April 2020 at 17:01.
Can a Rolex thread without some sort of squabble going on be considered a real Rolex thread? I think someone needs to really light it up by weaving in mention of Grand Seiko.
No vested interest but that was many moons ago. They were then, for the times, almost the G-Shocks of their day but it is a very different story now as today is a new day.
Last edited by wileeeeeey; 16th April 2020 at 19:03.
Produce some actual evidence that Rolexes are more robust than Pateks, rather than your "it stands to reason" - type argument. I have three Subs and a Nautilus (and a 5146). None has given me any trouble, although the Rolexes probably get a few more knocks because they stick out from the wrist a bit more.
Last edited by Holsterman; 16th April 2020 at 18:28.
From verv comment above from her watchmaker
verv is on my ignore list, and in any case it will be anecdotal.
Why would comments from a watch maker be anecdotal? If he/she watchmaker has opened up the movements service them and knows about service intervals etc.
I’m not going to reply anymore on this. No point different views and I don’t want to be banned!
Mr Holster does not care for those who do not treat him or his proclamations with the utmost respect.
Of course he knows better than an accredited watchmaker with 30 odd years of experience because he is on the internet and has the ability to link to a forum post about a well worn nautilus, which doesn't count as anecdotal, naturellement.
Just so he gets to see this.
Because I highly doubt that she works for PP, and I also doubt that Naut owners are going to be sending their watches anywhere but Geneva for service.
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Disingenuous. She knows exactly why she's on my ignnore list.
Verv is in the trade. I'll take her anecdotal evidence over an opinion lacking any substance.
The opinion which lacks substance is that Rolex's balance staffs are somehow magically immune from shock. Plenty of other companies have produced dependable movements, and for pretty obvious reasons. It's yet another example of BS Rolex marketing.
I don't see any evidence that the Patek calibre 324 (or 240) is either especially fragile or unreliable, in fact the contrary is true. These have been running for many years in many thousands of watches.
(I believe i'm on it for overtly calling him a c*ck in the BP)
Anyway, have some lovely Nautilus photos from when I haven't been working for PP.
I genuinely know nothing about them and never seen any of them on the bench because they were all sent to Geneva.
Enjoy the Singapore Aquanaut, thought some may appreciate it cos its a bit different.
Enjoy evening one and all.
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pure watch porn. I enjoyed that. Martyn
Well, following the minor pile-on and general "strop" of last night, I've had a good old look around the interwebs, and apart from finding that it's a common perception - seemingly based on appearance - on watch forums that the Patek Cal 324SC is fragile, there is no other evidence whatsoever.
It would be rather counterintuitive to suppose that a manufacture with a profile as high as Patek Philippe's would continue to issue many thousands of easily-broken watches, year after year, but I guess anything is possible to believe in forumland, particularly for Rolex fanbois.
https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...Philippe/page2
YAWN.
Well this thread has become very relevant to me now, it breaks my heart to see my picture up there in April of my LV in the sun. I’m now looking down the barrel of having to sell mine and would really like to know what it’s worth?
A friend offered me £10k for mine the other day. 2018 full set worn daily. I wasn’t actually looking to sell but did a bit of research and it didn’t feel like an unfair offer (the bezel pip needs replacing).
There is one on here for sale around the £11k mark.
I was keeping up with one that was for sale on here a little while ago, but in the end sold on eBay for slightly over £10k I think. I would say between £10k-£11k seems to be about par for them for the time being.
Mine is a March 2020 so absolutely immaculate and nearly the full 5 years warranty, what would you expect for that? Obviously boxed with papers.
I’m totally gutted, my fiancé left me last weekend. I was hoping she would come to her senses but it doesn’t look good and now a valuable watch seems utterly ridiculous with my future so uncertain. I hope I don’t have to sell it but a value sure could be comforting...
It is a tough one to price accurately, obviously being newer and in top condition would place at the top end of the price range I would have thought.
Dealers may well have them listed for more, but they may be okay to hold unto them for a while longer, I guess it depends how badly you need to sell (and obviously hopefully you will not have to)
Yeah hopefully. I’ve got everything crossed mate.
That’s actually a great indication for me, as I mentioned mine is a 2020 and only 3 months old. It truly is immaculate so somewhere a bit north of your figure would be a good place to start. Thank you.
Well since the original point of this thread was to track prices over time I thought I'd revisit the OP and repeat the experiment.
Cheapest today is £12,641, so a very slight rise.
I personally love the green sub and love this picture.
They are great watches in the sunshine
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