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    Mil Sub

    Hi,
    Can anyone recommend a Rolex Military Submariner homage ? Iíve seen one or two but they didnít really do it for me. The Mkii Fulcrum was pretty nice but no longer produced and at around £2k a bit above my limit. Iíd love to see a Time factors version of this rarity so if you read this Eddie could you add it to the list of potential projects - it was used by British military after all!! Thanks- Oli


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    I think Steinhart do one?

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    Have you thought about buying a replica from TS Watches?

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    Iím not overly fussed about the name more the aesthetic but they look ok. Has anyone bought from them? Wondering how good they are.


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    A word of advice.

    You don't want to be talking about replicas around here unless it's to out the people trying to peddle them. There are fora for discussing them. TZ isn't one of them.

    Plenty won't care but plenty, and in my opinion correctly, don't believe they're acceptable in any way, shape or form.

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    Squale do one. They are quite nice.

    https://www.squalewatches.com/Squale.../1545-orig.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otherjohn View Post
    Have you thought about buying a replica from TS Watches?

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    And onto the ignore list, like your thread diarrhoea earlier wasn't enough of a hint.

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    It depends on your budget as mentioned Squale and Steinhart do one but what about the watch that replaced the Rolex?
    The CWC.
    Similar aesthetics but itís not a homage.

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    Buy the parts & assemble one yourself... here’s one I knocked together a few years ago



    which started out as a Tiger Snowflake

    If you don’t have the confidence for DIY - plenty of options for watch modders who will do it for you.

    ...you end up with exactly what you want - & know what’s inside (ETA2824 for the above)

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    I had the Steinhart Ocean Vintage Military, it was an excellent watch and I regret selling it. Had the 42mm and itís a solid 42mm watch, not a shrinking violet but then my wrists arenít huge at 6.75Ē and it looked and wore fine on me. For £330 or whatever they are itís a lot of watch and is a very faithful homage to the Mil Sub. If you want a smaller version Gnomon do the 39mm model but itís not always available.

    I bought mine after weighing up against the Squale version, but for me Squale looked a bit daft with the cartoon shark on the dial and ĎSqualeí written twice. Also the Steinhart bezel looked better, I preferred it without a date - and it was cheaper and available in the U.K. without import fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otherjohn View Post
    Have you thought about buying a replica from TS Watches?

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    As mentioned, Steinharts two variations at 39mm and 42mm will be hard to beat. If you get the mark 1 version of the 42, it even says 200m instead of 300m - lol!

    I have both 39 and 42mm and a 6.75" wrist if you want pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelig View Post
    Buy the parts & assemble one yourself... here’s one I knocked together a few years ago



    which started out as a Tiger Snowflake

    If you don’t have the confidence for DIY - plenty of options for watch modders who will do it for you.

    ...you end up with exactly what you want - & know what’s inside (ETA2824 for the above)

    z
    Funnily enough I was kind of thinking of this, but thought it would be rather tricky. I will look into this further thank you. As said earlier, I donít want a Rolex copy/fake whatever but a watch with the aesthetic and one that wonít fall to bits after a fortnight :).


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj54 View Post
    I had the Steinhart Ocean Vintage Military, it was an excellent watch and I regret selling it. Had the 42mm and itís a solid 42mm watch, not a shrinking violet but then my wrists arenít huge at 6.75Ē and it looked and wore fine on me. For £330 or whatever they are itís a lot of watch and is a very faithful homage to the Mil Sub. If you want a smaller version Gnomon do the 39mm model but itís not always available.

    I bought mine after weighing up against the Squale version, but for me Squale looked a bit daft with the cartoon shark on the dial and ĎSqualeí written twice. Also the Steinhart bezel looked better, I preferred it without a date - and it was cheaper and available in the U.K. without import fees.
    The Squale looks great except for the logo and double name. Ruined. Definitely looking into how easy it is to Mod these sort of models. Cheers


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    Mil Sub

    The aptly named Walter Mitty Timepieces are a customised watch the maker with Seiko movements
    I commissioned one whilst p1ssed a few months ago (I guess we have all had booze induced purchases) and itís not a bad watch for the money.
    Itís closer to the original than the Steinhart in my eyes.






    Lume is not bad either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    The aptly named Walter Mitty Timepieces are a customised watch the maker with Seiko movements
    I commissioned one whilst p1ssed a few months ago (I guess we have all had booze induced purchases) and itís not a bad watch for the money.
    Itís closer to the original than the Steinhart in my eyes.
    Sinnlover, are you mixing the milsub up with an explorer sub? Surely the milsub has round plots, no 3, 6, 9 and the T centre logo?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    The aptly named Walter Mitty Timepieces are a customised watch the maker with Seiko movements
    I commissioned one whilst p1ssed a few months ago (I guess we have all had booze induced purchases) and itís not a bad watch for the money.
    Itís closer to the original than the Steinhart in my eyes.






    Lume is not bad either
    Thanks for bringing them to my attention, hadn't heard of them before, loving their name and had a quick look at their site, they have some rather interesting options. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefmcd View Post
    Sinnlover, are you mixing the milsub up with an explorer sub? Surely the milsub has round plots, no 3, 6, 9 and the T centre logo?

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    No I chose the explorer sub dial to keep it a bit different but there is a standard style dial you can choose
    (There were also a very small number - 50 ish) milsubs with the 3-6-9 dial prior to the introduction of the 5513/17. The A/6538 and 5512. These had Mercedes hands though.
    So this watch is kind of a half way house homage to both.


    By strange coincidence I was reading this thread this morning, some here might find it interesting

    https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?78908-The-Early-Rolex-Military-Submariners
    Last edited by Sinnlover; 8th April 2020 at 09:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    The aptly named Walter Mitty Timepieces are a customised watch the maker with Seiko movements
    I commissioned one whilst p1ssed a few months ago (I guess we have all had booze induced purchases) and itís not a bad watch for the money.
    Itís closer to the original than the Steinhart in my eyes.






    Lume is not bad either
    Thanks for that! Love the brand name!! Looks really good, will defo check them out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    The aptly named Walter Mitty Timepieces are a customised watch the maker with Seiko movements
    I commissioned one whilst p1ssed a few months ago (I guess we have all had booze induced purchases) and itís not a bad watch for the money.
    Itís closer to the original than the Steinhart in my eyes.






    Lume is not bad either
    Do you have a link I meant to ask?


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    Here's the Steinhart OVM 42mm on the OEM bracelet if it helps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    No I chose the explorer sub dial to keep it a bit different but there is a standard style dial you can choose
    (There were also a very small number - 50 ish) milsubs with the 3-6-9 dial prior to the introduction of the 5513/17. The A/6538 and 5512. These had Mercedes hands though.
    So this watch is kind of a half way house homage to both.


    By strange coincidence I was reading this thread this morning, some here might find it interesting

    https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/show...ry-Submariners
    Every day's a school day. The 50 explorer dial milsubs must have colossal value now! I'm thinking few will exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefmcd View Post
    Every day's a school day. The 50 explorer dial milsubs must have colossal value now! I'm thinking few will exist.

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    Yep!!!! The link I posted explains their origins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    No I chose the explorer sub dial to keep it a bit different but there is a standard style dial you can choose
    (There were also a very small number - 50 ish) milsubs with the 3-6-9 dial prior to the introduction of the 5513/17. The A/6538 and 5512. These had Mercedes hands though.
    So this watch is kind of a half way house homage to both.


    By strange coincidence I was reading this thread this morning, some here might find it interesting

    https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/show...ry-Submariners
    Looks great but Whatís the build quality like. Does the movement keep reasonable time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogdensnut View Post
    Looks great but Whatís the build quality like. Does the movement keep reasonable time?


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    I think itís acceptable for the money I paid
    The crown is a small but not overly so, the bezel has a nice click and is spot on. The domed plexi is a nice touch
    The hour and minute hand are the correct shape, proportions and finish to the originals which is one thing that put me off the OVM.
    They do sometimes have offers on Instagram which is well worth looking out for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Hotel View Post
    And onto the ignore list, like your thread diarrhoea earlier wasn't enough of a hint.
    My comment was intended to stimulate debate.

    Don't take things too seriously.

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    How about Ginault

    THE SPECS

    Case:*316L stainless steel
    Dial:*Gloss black enamel
    Crystal:*Flat sapphire w/ 2.5x date magnifier
    Case Dimensions:*40mm x 47.5mm
    Watch Thickness:*12.5mm (not including date magnification bubble)
    Lume:*Blue BGW9 superluminova
    Movement:*Ginault Caliber 7275
    Water Resistance:*ISO 6425 certified 1000 ft / 300 meters
    Bracelet/Strap Lug Width:*20mm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otherjohn View Post
    My comment was intended to stimulate debate.

    Don't take things too seriously.
    There is no debate regarding replicas. Don't suggest things so stupidly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otherjohn View Post
    My comment was intended to stimulate debate.

    Don't take things too seriously.

    We take fakes very seriously here. Especially faked Rolex watches, which can, and have, robbed people of a lot of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    I think itís acceptable for the money I paid
    The crown is a small but not overly so, the bezel has a nice click and is spot on. The domed plexi is a nice touch
    The hour and minute hand are the correct shape, proportions and finish to the originals which is one thing that put me off the OVM.
    They do sometimes have offers on Instagram which is well worth looking out for.
    Quite a few of these Walter Mitt watches on Amazon & eBay.

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    Why not buy the CWC diver. Itís got the heritage of the milsub and it was the Mod replacement for the Submariner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENES View Post
    Quite a few of these Walter Mitt watches on Amazon & eBay.
    Just looked, most are new and posted from Italy, pretty much same prices as on the official website (same company?).
    One guy offering one used for £200 or best offer, but wont post until lockdown ends, can't see anyone jumping at that one!

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    I have an approx 7.5Ē wrist and I think the 42mm Steinhart OVM is a great watch, this is my second.


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    I had a Steinhart Ocean Vintage Military 42mm last year. I loved it, it kept great time but was a little too big so got moved on (for a good price too, which was nice).

    Gnomon Watches in the US do a 39mm version, which is exclusive to them.

    Yesterday, I received a new stock alert from Gnomon. It's been out of stock for some time.

    I've ordered one!

    Here's the link http://www.gnomonwatches.com/collect...omon-exclusive

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    I had the Steinhart OVM 42 Mk 1, sold it and then bought the Gnomon 39mm version. Both are well made but the smaller one suits my wrist better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalleyboy1 View Post
    I had the Steinhart OVM 42 Mk 1, sold it and then bought the Gnomon 39mm version. Both are well made but the smaller one suits my wrist better.
    Great to hear. Hopefully I will have the same experience. See my previous post. :-)

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    I would take a CWC Diver over any homage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post

    I would take a CWC Diver over any homage.
    Seconded!

    As I said in another thread today, I'd rather have an iconic watch than an homage to one. CWC is still iconic, even if not a Milsub.

    I have the same black pvd CWC diver that you have, Sinnlover. Perfect size and really comfortable.

    Those no-date CWC's look amazing, too!

    Nice collection :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    We take fakes very seriously here. Especially faked Rolex watches, which can, and have, robbed people of a lot of money.
    I wasn't aware of that protocol on the forum and won't mention it again.

    There are polite ways to educate people though who are here because they love watches ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by weaselid View Post
    How about Ginault

    THE SPECS

    Case:*316L stainless steel
    Dial:*Gloss black enamel
    Crystal:*Flat sapphire w/ 2.5x date magnifier
    Case Dimensions:*40mm x 47.5mm
    Watch Thickness:*12.5mm (not including date magnification bubble)
    Lume:*Blue BGW9 superluminova
    Movement:*Ginault Caliber 7275
    Water Resistance:*ISO 6425 certified 1000 ft / 300 meters
    Bracelet/Strap Lug Width:*20mm


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    There's some great reviews out there about the Ginault Ocean Rover. Good one on watchreport.com

    It is a little pricey for a homage at 1299 USD

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    Quote Originally Posted by manicmunnday View Post
    Seconded!

    As I said in another thread today, I'd rather have an iconic watch than an homage to one. CWC is still iconic, even if not a Milsub.

    I have the same black pvd CWC diver that you have, Sinnlover. Perfect size and really comfortable.

    Those no-date CWC's look amazing, too!

    Nice collection :)

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    Iíve nearly pulled the plug on a couple CWCs in the past but found it hard to justify the price tag for a quartz watch. The prices the SBS Mkii goes for now in quartz is astonishing imho. Iím not knocking quartz but in terms of value Iíd be expecting a mechanical watch. An original CWC auto diver as used by the forces (tritium lume) would be something special though!! Iím keeping an eye on Eddies PRS-3(?) CWC diver type watch and expect it to be as good at far better price point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Otherjohn View Post
    I wasn't aware of that protocol on the forum and won't mention it again.

    There are polite ways to educate people though who are here because they love watches ....
    That was polite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave O'Sullivan View Post
    I think Steinhart do one?
    !00% and great value for money

    Have had a GMT for a number of years now and hasn't missed beat

    Last edited by 964boy; 9th April 2020 at 10:09.

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    Not worn either,, but to my eyes the 42mm Steinhart OVM looks better - 39mm is a nicer size (for me) but the dial/bezel looks out of proportion in the smaller watch.

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