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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavbaz View Post
    Just this one for me.
    Makes me want to have another speedy.


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    Not much left with patina now, I seem to have gone in the other direction again but here’s Grandads old Sekonda, worn daily, come hell or high water. Some serious wear to the crown which I love, when think of how many times he must have wound this old manual, it always makes me happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Some late 80s patina, with a bit of corrosion green on the pinion end of the hour hand for added interest



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    Quote Originally Posted by greasemonkey View Post
    Nice!

    I've got one very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willie_gunn View Post
    Nice interesting double name dial.

    Is it a bumper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    Nice interesting double name dial.

    Is it a bumper?
    It is indeed - a UG 138, full story here: https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...ack-in-service

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    Great shot!

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    Looks good
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    What's the difference between patina and nicely aged lume?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy100 View Post
    What's the difference between patina and nicely aged lume?
    None - just depends what photos you have available

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy100 View Post
    What's the difference between patina and nicely aged lume?
    I always consider patina to mean some discolouring or other wear of the dial which personally I am not keen on.

    In contrast I don't consider nicely aged lume to be patina and find it desirable on older models.
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    Lip Nautic ski.
    I really love this one and wear it regularly while the fancies remain on the winder.
    It just makes me happy.
    I've been tempted as a result to try and track down a nos one but wonder if having a flawless variant would make me love it less.

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    Let’s see some patina

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    Lip Nautic ski.
    I really love this one and wear it regularly while the fancies remain on the winder.
    It just makes me happy.
    I've been tempted as a result to try and track down a nos one but wonder if having a flawless variant would make me love it less.
    That is lovely - and the Erika style strap really sets it off a treat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    I always consider patina to mean some discolouring or other wear of the dial which personally I am not keen on.In contrast I don't consider nicely aged lume to be patina and find it desirable on older models.
    I agree about aged lume, for me it's not patina. Patina for me is an unpolished watch showing signs of use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck View Post
    I don't think watches get better than this.

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    I sold most of my vintage watches, but this little thing has a nicely patinated dial I think:


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    This one needs a bit of TLC so I thinks it’s past the patina stage.
    Needs a new crystal, a hand relume and replacement sub dial hands if I can find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackW View Post
    I sold most of my vintage watches, but this little thing has a nicely patinated dial I think:

    Gorgeous


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    Really? I would keep it as it is, shows its age very well.

    I think the word "patina" has an element of love involved.

    Remember Paul Heaton's
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    Quote Originally Posted by unclealec View Post
    Really? I would keep it as it is, shows its age very well.
    If referring to the Roamer, I won’t change much as I really like it as it is . However the lume on the hands is unstable and there is a chance that some more might come away causing damage (it was serviced and cleaned a few months ago because of this) the main issued however the crystal is badly cracked around the edge, in fact some of it is missing so i am careful around water / moisture with it.

    A little bit of TLC will get this in to wearable shape.

    Assuming I can find a crystal!
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    I do like my Speedmasters, its strange how the patina on the hour indices vary over a few years..








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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    If referring to the Roamer, I won’t change much as I really like it as it is . However the lume on the hands is unstable and there is a chance that some more might come away causing damage (it was serviced and cleaned a few months ago because of this) the main issued however the crystal is badly cracked around the edge, in fact some of it is missing so i am careful around water / moisture with it.

    A little bit of TLC will get this in to wearable shape.

    Assuming I can find a crystal!
    I was indeed referring to that lovely Roamer. I take your point about the lume flakes and compromised crystal, but would fix them without being tempted to restore the watch back to as new as possible. I just love the lived-in look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclealec View Post
    I was indeed referring to that lovely Roamer. I take your point about the lume flakes and compromised crystal, but would fix them without being tempted to restore the watch back to as new as possible. I just love the lived-in look.

    That’s the plan
    Just need to find someone to do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Here's a few of mine - love a bit of patina


    love this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaurav_tzuk View Post
    love this one!
    He sold that to me over 5 years ago and has never stopped bleating about it since, he is now posting pics of it pretending it’s still his, come on Tony stop it!
    My daily wearer and still as beautiful as the day Tony sold it although I prefer it with its black bezel/insert.

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    Services diver - This was one of the first watches that I remember buying from an antique fair in the 70/80’s when I was a kid amongst a few pocket watches that I also still have





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    This the second Services watch that I have. It belonged to my late father and still runs great.



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    Let’s see some patina

    Two well worn Seikos that I remember buying when I was at secondary school in the early eighties.... both picked up at market fair stalls

    Both still run great and show plenty of character

    The one on the left is all original except for new mineral crystal as the other one was very badly scratched

    The Chrono on the right is all original and still occasionally worn




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    And finally an old sekonda that I don’t remember buying but probably from a stall like most of my other vintage pieces

    Still runs but rarely worn




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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy100 View Post
    I agree about aged lume, for me it's not patina. Patina for me is an unpolished watch showing signs of use.
    I don't think that is right at all.
    There is no damage assocaited with the word patina in any of its original connotations, so why here in watch terms?

    The original use of patina is the biuld-up of a coloured corrosion layer on exposed metallic materials, and the arrival of a patina is almost universally seen as being a desired and beautiful effect.
    It is also commonly used in antiques, particularly wooden ones, to suggest the depth of colour and figuring that wood achieves when furniture used and waxed regularly without stripping off the build-up on the surface.

    Neither use demands or suggests any damage in the form of sctratches and so forth.

    So I think patina for watches is the yellowing of lume, the dulling of a previously silver dial, or the chocolate of a sun lightened black dial. Patina can certainly develop in and on a watch in perfectly good nick, mechanically.

    Conversely, in watch terms we also use Wabi (or Wabi-sabi), which definitely does include a requirement for a degree of damage by use, scratches, rounding of sharp-edged corners and so forth.

    I do not think the two are interchangable

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    I don't think that is right at all.
    There is no damage assocaited with the word patina in any of its original connotations, so why here in watch terms?

    The original use of patina is the biuld-up of a coloured corrosion layer on exposed metallic materials, and the arrival of a patina is almost universally seen as being a desired and beautiful effect.
    It is also commonly used in antiques, particularly wooden ones, to suggest the depth of colour and figuring that wood achieves when furniture used and waxed regularly without stripping off the build-up on the surface.

    Neither use demands or suggests any damage in the form of sctratches and so forth.

    So I think patina for watches is the yellowing of lume, the dulling of a previously silver dial, or the chocolate of a sun lightened black dial. Patina can certainly develop in and on a watch in perfectly good nick, mechanically.

    Conversely, in watch terms we also use Wabi (or Wabi-sabi), which definitely does include a requirement for a degree of damage by use, scratches, rounding of sharp-edged corners and so forth.

    I do not think the two are interchangable

    Dave
    Totally agree Dave.

    I guess people often use the word patina to mislabel their bashed up old watch.

    Especially if trying to sell it!
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    Let’s see some patina

    Perhaps so though I’ve also seen many items listed as perfect condition that are far from it so I’m not sure that we are any closer to agreeing what is the best way to describe an item. Of course those more unscrupulous souls will use language to their advantage and then plead ignorance but your point is actually an interesting one.

    Myself, I quite like ‘some’ watches and things that I own to look used. Why... because in my mind I see marks as someone having enjoyed or at least to have used the item as it was intended. Now, would I want a ‘dress watch’ looking well worn, say a Cartier tank. Not abused, but well worn showing scruffs and scrapes. ... certainly not and therefore I would not purchase that. However a Tudor submariner issued to a CD, sure!

    I am a big fan of the arts and craft movement from about 1889-1920. Beautiful objects designed with functionality and beauty both with equal importance. Perhaps watches were never really designed to be cheap objects nonetheless at some point many watches that I admire were affordable to those who were targeted... dive watches for divers. So for me an item used as was intended makes it more appealing in many ways. All those marks are stories and I for one like the stories.
    Last edited by canuck; 7th April 2020 at 14:32.

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    Patina, Wabi-sabi, damage, neglect......I think this has probably experienced them all!

    It's still a sweet little thing though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by willie_gunn View Post
    Patina, Wabi-sabi, damage, neglect......I think this has probably experienced them all!

    It's still a sweet little thing though.

    Bet it could tell a story or two


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    I don't think that is right at all.
    There is no damage assocaited with the word patina in any of its original connotations, so why here in watch terms?

    The original use of patina is the biuld-up of a coloured corrosion layer on exposed metallic materials, and the arrival of a patina is almost universally seen as being a desired and beautiful effect.
    It is also commonly used in antiques, particularly wooden ones, to suggest the depth of colour and figuring that wood achieves when furniture used and waxed regularly without stripping off the build-up on the surface.

    Neither use demands or suggests any damage in the form of sctratches and so forth.

    So I think patina for watches is the yellowing of lume, the dulling of a previously silver dial, or the chocolate of a sun lightened black dial. Patina can certainly develop in and on a watch in perfectly good nick, mechanically.

    Conversely, in watch terms we also use Wabi (or Wabi-sabi), which definitely does include a requirement for a degree of damage by use, scratches, rounding of sharp-edged corners and so forth.

    I do not think the two are interchangable

    Dave
    I don't think you thinking that's not right is right. It doesn't have to mean something's been abused but a watch that's been worn will inevitably pick up marks with age, like a person's face does with age.
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    Okay Foxy, how about this 2998 from the Speedmaster 101 site



    Does this have patina?
    To me, yes. Bucketloads of the stuff.

    Is there any damage or wear? No. Because it was never worn.

    This is my point. Patina does not need wear or damage.

    Of course you can disagree, but you'd be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Okay Foxy, how about this 2998 from the Speedmaster 101 site



    Does this have patina?
    To me, yes. Bucketloads of the stuff.

    Is there any damage or wear? No. Because it was never worn.

    This is my point. Patina does not need wear or damage.

    Of course you can disagree, but you'd be wrong

    Dave
    That’s my definition of patina...

    Either way that is a stunning watch!!


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    80s 5513 that has a great patina and a 1680

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