Reply With QuoteGood read - the scientists being the only ones who want the virus to keep infecting people, so they can see if the vaccine is effective.Originally Posted by sundial
That place sounds dark!
Good read - the scientists being the only ones who want the virus to keep infecting people, so they can see if the vaccine is effective.
Grasping at anything positive at the moment but this could be the news people are waiting on, again fingers crossed...
Although a long way to go it does sound promising.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/126675...ns-experts-say
So remember the fear that recovered patients were getting reinfected with Covid? Korean experts said that the high probability was that it was dead virus fragments triggering the positive PCR tests and that they had 'little reason to believe' that recovered patients are getting reinfected.
How were the recovered patients ever given the all clear - was the ‘dead’ virus not detected then? Or is this dead virus released later?
http://universalhealth2030.org/2020/...et-reinfected/
https://apple.news/AXD23DS_uSD-q5arrEq9Oew
Age 50 seems way too young for this. Especially if not earning - will be widely ignored and no wonder. It’s good that plans are afoot to ease the lockdown but this support package is certainly not one that “leaves nobody behind”.
Similar to Ryan’s link but doesn’t really explain (unless I’ve missed something) why someone will test negative then positive. Think it shows the tests are at the limit of sensitivity in these cases.
Like most things with this virus there is no previous data to base anything on and does seem that they are still
learning what a definitive test result is, in the U.K. every day they seem to be testing a lot of people more than once on the same day to double check results, on Monday they did about 43,000 test but on only 25,000 people.
If you are talking about the Hospital knowing then yes they probably would have. But the Hospital are not saying that these patients died FROM Covid only that they tested positive for having it. The patients that died while in hospital could have been there for many many reasons and they could have easily caught it during their stay.
We're not in the Bear Pit so I can't say what I'd like whoever came up with that idea to do with it but...
If the lockdown is lifted for a fat, unfit 49 year old, it's lifted for me.
Icke kicked off Facebook for publishing health misinformation. That's gotta be good news.
Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH
I guess it's unlikely that someone who died from the injuries from a traffic accident or from a failing parachute would be counted as Covid... But if you die from a combination of Covid and other conditions, the idea should be that you wouldn't have died without the Covid infection. Simple example, someone in their 40s who has asthma and lives with that, uses an inhaler now and then, gets the virus and chokes to death - without the asthma that person might well have survived but are you then going to say 'it was the asthma that killed that person'? Does someone with a runny nose who gets shot die from having a cold or from a bullet? The Covid is the bullet in many cases.
Should the use of ventilators be questioned :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GY...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5RMutCNoI
Perhaps you should get in touch with the government and tell them your theories, because you seem to think you have a better idea what patients are dying of than they do. Could be the whole thing has been blown out of proportion eh?
I'm starting to think David Icke isn't that bad after all.........
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
This: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y
In short: a bunch of Dutch scientists have discovered ("partly luck, partly proper science" according to an interview in a Dutch newspaper) an antibody that neutralizes C19 in cell structure. It's called 47D11.
Fact is that it was already a known antibody but it had no use until this C19 pandemic. It was discovered during the search for a remedy against MERS and SARS but for that was not very effective. Now, it proofs to be very promising.
Menno
Sounds interesting.
“ Hence, this antibody—either alone or in combination—offers the potential to prevent and/or treat COVID-19, and possibly also other future emerging diseases in humans caused by viruses from the Sarbecovirus subgenus.”
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Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
This is a graph of reported deaths up to and including yesterday, smoothed with a 7-day moving average to show a trend. The last data point at "1-May" represents the average for the 7 days up to including yesterday (so 1-May is the centre point of that average, so to speak).
Assuming the trend continues on a similar downward trajectory, and given that deaths lag infection by two weeks or more* - we must be further down the transmission (infection) slope by now, and - if this is the case - then in general, on average and ignoring regional variation - you're probably about half as likely or less to become infected at a trip to Tesco as you were a few weeks ago. Is that reasonable?
* https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...195-X/fulltext
"The maximum incubation period is assumed to be up to 14 days, whereas the median time from onset of symptoms to intensive care unit (ICU) admission is around 10 days. Recently, WHO reported that the time between symptom onset and death ranged from about 2 weeks to 8 weeks"
I found this on Imgur. Pictures of the 1919/20 Spanish Flu pandemic.
https://imgur.com/gallery/HOuu9U5
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Coronavirus could be 'wiped out in London in weeks' - but what's the picture in the rest of England? http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...chers-11988579
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Whilst wanting to believe this I find it ambiguous. Why is the R value in London Believed to be 0.4, that ridiculous. London has some of the highest densities whilst travelling and work. To say it is half of other regions eg S. west is very odd.
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Yes puzzling in the extreme especially given recent pictures of the tube etc.
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Could be that lot more people have had it. Or those who regularly use tube etc. have had it.
Unlikely though!
According to this, 4.4% of France's population has been infected with Coronavirus. As the threshold for herd immunity is estimated at 65%, without vaccination a second wave is unavoidable if lockdown is stopped. Therefore a set of control measures need to be implemented (test, track, trace and isolate).
The information is in French but Chrome will offer to translate the page for you. I put it out there because both countries are facing similar issues, and there isn't too much discrepancy in how they calculate cover-related deaths which makes comparing them relevant (although France always counted care home casualties whereas the UK only started early April (3rd or 8th)).
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...versity-trials
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-trials.html
As much I am loathe to believe the papers at the moment...
But....
This could be something positive???
It is a model better known as a guess given the state of testing in the UK. A reasonably competent mathematician can produce a model to show most things but until you have validated real life data - it is a model and the results need to be taken with a very large dose of skepticism.
There does at least seem to be some hope there.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
If I was looking for information from the press those two papers would be the very last places i would look
I’d throw the Mirror in the same pot seeing as they are running with a headline stating up to 19 million of the UK population has had Covid-19.
Foggy
https://www.foxnews.com/science/covi...y-breakthrough
Is there a biochemist in the house for some background info?
Menno
Professor Dick Barton has OKd this . . . "With a bound we are free!" . ;-)
F.T.F.A.
Well it didn’t do their share price any harm, up 153%
Sounds a bit premature though as they haven’t started trials, this was from CNBC 3 days ago.
- Sorrento Therapeutics and Mount Sinai Health System in New York City have joined forces to develop an antibody cocktail they hope will shield against Covid-19 infection for up to two months.
Coronavirus infection 'R' rate in UK creeps up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52677194
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
This gives a bit more background
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...atest-r-number
But don’t worry capt James T Trump has launched operation Warp Speed
Donald Trump has said he hopes a coronavirus vaccine will be available by the end of the year and revealed details of the US government drive to help the efforts dubbed “Operation Warp Speed”.
The US president said the initiative will be unlike anything America has undertaken since the Manhattan Project, which happened during World War Two and produced the first nuclear weapons.
“That means big and it means fast”, Mr Trump said of the “warp speed” title,
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Appreciate you posting that - thanks.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
Pleasure, can’t believe how many Gov.uk web pages I’ve looked at in the last few weeks, if you have the
time it quite often helps give a fuller story than just the press reports.
A bit nerdy but I’ve been keeping an eye on the pillar 4 test numbers for the last couple of weeks as it never seems to get mentioned as all the press seem interested in is the total number of daily tests.
They have ramped up in the last few days, 27,000 sent out yesterday and now a total of 98,000.
With these kind of numbers it should start to give them a pretty accurate idea of current infection rates and if they are decreasing both in the whole country and the different areas plus an idea of how many asymptomatic carriers there really are.
Some of these were meant to be antibody tests but not sure if they have started that on any scale because of the previous unreliability of the tests.
Only problem is they aren’t allowed to publish the results because of privacy.
I’d be interested to hear how this works too. Is it similar to the antibodies produced by vaccination?
How is it synthesised, chemically or biologically?
Some early, but positive news re: a vaccine:
https://investors.modernatx.com/news...s-mrna-vaccine
I wouldn’t claim to be a biopharmaceutical expert, and that article seems a bit too promising / hyped, but I would expect such a drug to work in a very similar way to antibodies produced by a vaccine or the recovery from the disease itself. I imagine it would be biomanufactured using a cell line approach.
Thanks, interesting. I imagine a disadvantage of this over a vaccine is that much more of it will be required.
Possibly, as the body won’t be generating it. Might be a useful treatment though.
http://news.sky.com/story/coronaviru...-firm-11996787
How convenient if this is true, mind you I doubt many westerners believe a word that comes out of China regarding this pandemic...
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I'd be confident the Chinese found plenty of human 'volunteers' to test the vaccine by deliberately getting infected. The Uighurs for a start.....
With the caveat that I’ve only read this on the BBC website, this sounds like promising news:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281
The fact that dexamethasone is cheap and widely available is an obvious bonus.
Indeed, and as you say the fact that it is a readily available trialled and approved drug is potentially good news, apparently every hospital pharmacy already carries it. Consultants know the guidelines on how and to whom it can be administered, so there is no real reason not to use it straight away that I can see. Very interesting.
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I know a nurses in Dorset, Surrey & Lincolnshire, - all their wards are comparitively empty! Yay!
Hospitals get paid extra for every person who dies with (that's *with*, no *of*) Covid-19, so even if you get even by a shark, you'll probably have "Covid-19" written on your death certificate, - which then means that the actual death toll the BBC want to shove down your neck every day, - is rather misleading! Yay!!
Loads of studies are evidencing the fact that people with decent levels of Vit D are highly likely to bat off the virus like it wasn't even there (which is why ethnic minorities are more likely, as their skin doesn't let in as much sunlight, also people of certain religions who cover themselves up are typically low on Vit D) - so all you need is sunshine, - no need for horrible vaccines!! Yah Yah Yay!!!
Who pays hospitals extra for Covid-19 death certs and how does that work?I know a nurses in Dorset, Surrey & Lincolnshire, - all their wards are comparitively empty! Yay!
Hospitals get paid extra for every person who dies with (that's *with*, no *of*) Covid-19, so even if you get even by a shark, you'll probably have "Covid-19" written on your death certificate, - which then means that the actual death toll the BBC want to shove down your neck every day, - is rather misleading! Yay!!
Loads of studies are evidencing the fact that people with decent levels of Vit D are highly likely to bat off the virus like it wasn't even there (which is why ethnic minorities are more likely, as their skin doesn't let in as much sunlight, also people of certain religions who cover themselves up are typically low on Vit D) - so all you need is sunshine, - no need for horrible vaccines!! Yah Yah Yay!!!
Have you any links to the 'Loads of studies' re Vit D?
No, they do not get paid any extra.I know a nurses in Dorset, Surrey & Lincolnshire, - all their wards are comparitively empty! Yay!
Hospitals get paid extra for every person who dies with (that's *with*, no *of*) Covid-19, so even if you get even by a shark, you'll probably have "Covid-19" written on your death certificate, - which then means that the actual death toll the BBC want to shove down your neck every day, - is rather misleading! Yay!!
Loads of studies are evidencing the fact that people with decent levels of Vit D are highly likely to bat off the virus like it wasn't even there (which is why ethnic minorities are more likely, as their skin doesn't let in as much sunlight, also people of certain religions who cover themselves up are typically low on Vit D) - so all you need is sunshine, - no need for horrible vaccines!! Yah Yah Yay!!!
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I’m glad you’ve solved the Covid-19 problem for us. Presuming that one is white, doesn’t wear sunscreen, and it isn’t lashing it down.Loads of studies are evidencing the fact that people with decent levels of Vit D are highly likely to bat off the virus like it wasn't even there (which is why ethnic minorities are more likely, as their skin doesn't let in as much sunlight, also people of certain religions who cover themselves up are typically low on Vit D) - so all you need is sunshine, - no need for horrible vaccines!! Yah Yah Yay!!!
Marvellous.
I think I’ll stick to evidence based reasoning.
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