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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    TSLA > $600
    To the moon!

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    Bitcoin all time high today

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Bitcoin all time high today
    Told ya to buy....
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    What do we think is going on today? Profit taking from recent gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Told ya to buy....
    I already own the amount I’m happy to lose should it go to zero ;-)

    Won’t be adding more.

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    Buy buy!

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    I expect we should be looking at Government cabinet ministers stockbrokers to make the first move just before a deal is announced to the public.
    Cheers..
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    Some nice roses today

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    If Goldman say the UK is a buy, the're probably looking to sell their own UK positions.

    Never forget history.

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    Brexit and vaccine hopes taking hold again

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    FTSE up 13% in November

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    Dow futures back over 30k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveya. View Post
    Brexit and vaccine hopes taking hold again

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    I think I’m gradually coming to the conclusion that the economy and politics are largely irrelevant. All that matters is the central banks print money which then just flows into assets. That why property and markets are doing so well.

    I keep making the mistake that it’s the economy that drives the market. What a fool I’ve been.

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    It’s a mad world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    I think I’m gradually coming to the conclusion that the economy and politics are largely irrelevant. All that matters is the central banks print money which then just flows into assets. That why property and markets are doing so well.

    I keep making the mistake that it’s the economy that drives the market. What a fool I’ve been.
    And evidently professional sports Rolex watches too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    I think I’m gradually coming to the conclusion that the economy and politics are largely irrelevant. All that matters is the central banks print money which then just flows into assets. That why property and markets are doing so well.

    I keep making the mistake that it’s the economy that drives the market. What a fool I’ve been.


    Agreed. The old textbooks need to be burned.

    What the heck do us lot who are sat in cash do now?

    In fact, don’t burn the text books, they’re the ones that said “buy passive trackers funds and never sell them.” They were correct. Whoops.

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    Reads that Pfizer vaccine has been approved by UK authorities for roll out

    Expects FTSE to skyrocket

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    Ah.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Reads that Pfizer vaccine has been approved by UK authorities for roll out

    Expects FTSE to skyrocket

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    Ah.....
    To be fair was a big day yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Reads that Pfizer vaccine has been approved by UK authorities for roll out

    Expects FTSE to skyrocket

    Logs into HL account

    Ah.....
    Why would it?

    Exactly as expected so nothing which wasn't discounted in share prices yesterday.
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/b...ice/index.html

    Seems to confirm what has been said on here regarding the fundamentals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I AM LATE! View Post
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/b...ice/index.html

    Seems to confirm what has been said on here regarding the fundamentals.
    I've completely given up trying to rationalise their share price.

    I've had so many really casual investors tell me they have bought Tesla stock over the last couple of years telling me to 'get on it' I've looked at the figures and could never bring myself to put money in, convinced it was going to crash.

    I've now convinced myself that it's just going to rise forever as a helium balloon seemed to when I was a kid.

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    1% margin lol, and I bet that's creative

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    Quote Originally Posted by I AM LATE! View Post
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/b...ice/index.html

    Seems to confirm what has been said on here regarding the fundamentals.
    If at any time their stock does get crushed like a soufflé under a sledgehammer, what does anybody reckon will happen? The collapsing soufflé is limited to Tesla, or there’s a widespread turn of sentiment and confidence in the broader US market?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCasper View Post
    If at any time their stock does get crushed like a soufflé under a sledgehammer, what does anybody reckon will happen? The collapsing soufflé is limited to Tesla, or there’s a widespread turn of sentiment and confidence in the broader US market?


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    There would likely be some collateral damage but they are a bit of a special case in my opinion ... if they did implode I wonder how that would be be received by SMT holders?

    If it was purely a loss of confidence then it would hit the market as a whole.

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    A bearish view

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-...5?link=sfmw_fb

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    Strong possibility of a Brexit deal being agreed and announced in the next 24 hours, how do we expect the markets to react?

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    I think there is a possibility it's already factored into the recent rises

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveya. View Post
    I think there is a possibility it's already factored into the recent rises

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    Did think similar myself but an official announcement always helps especially with something that has been so arduous, dividing and just down right drawn out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Did think similar myself but an official announcement always helps especially with something that has been so arduous, dividing and just down right drawn out..
    Yeah possibly for private ignoramuses like me but probably not for the professionals

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Strong possibility of a Brexit deal being agreed and announced in the next 24 hours, how do we expect the markets to react?
    Who knows ... trying to get political outcomes and the impact they may or may not have on a market is a mugs game and only really of interest to short term traders.

    I have given up trying to predict such things ... I'm more interested in longer term issues and the likely effects on market over the next 5 years or more ...

    For example how will the repayment (or not) of the global national debts play out and how will that drive markets ... what about all the money printing? Will that lead to inflation or will the zero interest rate policies counteract that?

    What some minor trade deal does for some tiny island is irrelevant in the bigger economic mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    only really of interest to short term traders.
    Exactly why I asked, being quite heavily invested (for me) in Rolls Royce I have been to the bottom and seen minus 5 figures, done the rights spending gamble, luckily it worked out to a level where I sold a big chunk of my investment to now be back in profit by 4 figures.

    Most of these up and downs have been either side of big announcements, Brexit being agreed is quite a big deal (literally) and I would have thought it would have a reasonable impact.

    Talking about long term investments, I didnt think a fund like the Vangaurd LTF100 would recover so quickly, its actually higher now than it was before Covid..


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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Talking about long term investments, I didnt think a fund like the Vangaurd LTF100 would recover so quickly, its actually higher now than it was before Covid..
    I can't comment on the trading stuff as I have no idea ...

    On that Vanguard fund ... it is mind boggling that its now at that level; a good % of that fund is in the USA so the S&P500 performance will be responsible for a decent chunk of that.

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    I'm in Vanguard LS 80% and they report 56% global equity and 18% FTSE at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Fancy a Fundraiser bet Raffe?

    Say, £50?

    I think BTC will be over 50k on 31st Dec 2021

    Edit: USD
    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Sure, consider it done. Midnight UK, I suppose?
    An update for anyone who happens to be following the progress on this.


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    My Poo Poo’ed Novacyt tip earlier this year has turned out to be what I understand to be the strongest growth of a share this year or close !

    Wont make that silly mistake again
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    Quote Originally Posted by petethegeek View Post
    An update for anyone who happens to be following the progress on this.

    Very good :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Strong possibility of a Brexit deal being agreed and announced in the next 24 hours, how do we expect the markets to react?
    I think a Brexit deal will be announced before the end of the year, there's a lot of optimism now, especially with 2020 having been a difficult time and vaccines are starting to be distributed.

    The GBP will strengthen, this will mean funds/trusts holding predominantly USA stocks will fall a bit in price like Fundsmith,SMT,Baille Gifford etc

    The domestic FTSE (250 etc)will most likely jump on a deal being signed, remember the UK stock market has been unloved since the brexit vote and hasnt grown much in the past few years .

    The Main guy from the "The Big short" , famous for shortening the US housing market, pre credit crunch has gone short on Tesla.

    https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-12-1029859345
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    ^^ I’ve watched that film at least 20 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Strong possibility of a Brexit deal being agreed and announced in the next 24 hours, how do we expect the markets to react?
    Fooled me once...fooled me twice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan83bz View Post
    Fooled me once...fooled me twice...
    Yes, they are keeping us hanging!!
    Last edited by murkeywaters; 4th December 2020 at 11:48.

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    We still have not tabled all our last minute demands. It will be done at the last possible moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    We still have not tabled all our last minute demands. It will be done at the last possible moment.
    Peak cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Peak cake.
    I'm not familiar with Peak Cake ... only chocolate for me ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    I'm not familiar with Peak Cake ... only chocolate for me ...
    From our leaderships spaffing on about 'Having our cake and eating it' in any deal, there's scuttlebutt that 'cake' has become EU negotiators codeword for unrealistic demands/position, hence last minute final demands are when we might well see, Peak cake.

    Enjoy the chocolate cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    From our leaderships spaffing on about 'Having our cake and eating it' in any deal, there's scuttlebutt that 'cake' has become EU negotiators codeword for unrealistic demands/position, hence last minute final demands are when we might well see, Peak cake.

    Enjoy the chocolate cake.
    Thank you for the education ... makes complete sense now. Sadly no cake in the house ...

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    Not wanting to make this thread political, but I'm looking forward to seeing the list of Brexit benefits that we can expect from Jan 1.

    Currently I am only seeing negatives and the metaphorical use of sticking plasters to get things done.....the tears are coming.

    I expect that if/when a deal is announced, there will be an uptick in the markets, when the reality is that most of those markets will actually end up being negatively impacted by the effects of us leaving, with or without a deal.


    ETA - I think we established earlier in this thread that discussing the politics of Brexit’s impact on the markets was ok.
    Last edited by mr noble; 4th December 2020 at 23:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Not wanting to make this thread political, but........

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    Dow struggling to stay above 30k

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    Markets treading water whilst Brexit plays out , they aren't even bothered about little old ladies getting jabs

    Thing is when Bozzer announced he wasn't going to break the law in Ireland the markets responded positively

    A Brexit deal would see a nice little jump and a few more old ladies get jobs might help

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    Tesla now worth more than everything in the whole universe.

    I think it has a way to go yet.

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